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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#21 » by DonaldSanders » Wed Jan 8, 2025 6:28 pm

superunknown wrote:I think there is one aspect you did not take into account. over the last 5 years, this ownership and FO, with no valid reason, has downplayed the greatest player in franchise history.
Their reluctance to go all-in on a trade for a star to pair with curry, their "swing for the fences" in multiple draft selecting rawer players like wiseman/kuminga with theoretical higher ceiling rather than more ready players or trading the picks, they are all clear indications they have lost faith in steph AHEAD OF TIME and have been more concerned with the post-curry era than to maximize his timeline.
this is the original sin on which fans (seem to) disagree.
I belong to the group that firmly believe the second timeline lacob & co is so concerned about starts only when steph is gone. not a single moment before.
some people still can't seem to grasp this: you have once in a lifetime player (steph is that edge) who is still balling at high level, you do whatever it takes to maximize the window. because, as you said, someday it will be gone and the franchise will likely be back to be basement dwellers for a long time. in fact, you contradict yourself at the end of your post.


I totally agree with this, to me the blame lies with the FO. Bob set the table poorly for Dunleavy and Dunleavy so far has done nothing. The main thing I'm tired of hearing is that everything is Steve's fault. The roster is pretty barren at this point, shuffling rotations doesn't fix that.

I will always be bummed that after winning in '22 that we didn't empty our clip at trying for #5. Especially after failing in '23, sigh. I thought we'd do something with CP3's contract, but they didn't and it was basically over once we moved on from the salary slot. Right away Jrue Holiday was available, but we just kept CP3. Then later other opportunities, and again nothing.

Onus wrote:yes Lacob is a target because he's the one giving direction about keeping two time lines and not going all in for Steph's last seasons. That comes from the top, Lacob.



I get you can blame Lacob to some extent, but the GM needs to control the conversations properly. Dunleavy and Bob should have been pushing hard to go all in on Curry, and they clearly have not. It's the GM's job to control the direction of the team, and we have no actual evidence that Lacob has told everyone "Hey, don't make any trades I don't see Curry doing anything".
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#22 » by whatisacenter » Wed Jan 8, 2025 6:48 pm

DonaldSanders wrote:
superunknown wrote:I think there is one aspect you did not take into account. over the last 5 years, this ownership and FO, with no valid reason, has downplayed the greatest player in franchise history.
Their reluctance to go all-in on a trade for a star to pair with curry, their "swing for the fences" in multiple draft selecting rawer players like wiseman/kuminga with theoretical higher ceiling rather than more ready players or trading the picks, they are all clear indications they have lost faith in steph AHEAD OF TIME and have been more concerned with the post-curry era than to maximize his timeline.
this is the original sin on which fans (seem to) disagree.
I belong to the group that firmly believe the second timeline lacob & co is so concerned about starts only when steph is gone. not a single moment before.
some people still can't seem to grasp this: you have once in a lifetime player (steph is that edge) who is still balling at high level, you do whatever it takes to maximize the window. because, as you said, someday it will be gone and the franchise will likely be back to be basement dwellers for a long time. in fact, you contradict yourself at the end of your post.


I totally agree with this, to me the blame lies with the FO. Bob set the table poorly for Dunleavy and Dunleavy so far has done nothing. The main thing I'm tired of hearing is that everything is Steve's fault. The roster is pretty barren at this point, shuffling rotations doesn't fix that.

I will always be bummed that after winning in '22 that we didn't empty our clip at trying for #5. Especially after failing in '23, sigh. I thought we'd do something with CP3's contract, but they didn't and it was basically over once we moved on from the salary slot. Right away Jrue Holiday was available, but we just kept CP3. Then later other opportunities, and again nothing.

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Onus wrote:yes Lacob is a target because he's the one giving direction about keeping two time lines and not going all in for Steph's last seasons. That comes from the top, Lacob.



I get you can blame Lacob to some extent, but the GM needs to control the conversations properly. Dunleavy and Bob should have been pushing hard to go all in on Curry, and they clearly have not. It's the GM's job to control the direction of the team, and we have no actual evidence that Lacob has told everyone "Hey, don't make any trades I don't see Curry doing anything".


I don't think the table was set all that poorly as some make it out to be. Draymond didn't need to be re-signed and Klay was an expiring. They had all of their future first round draft picks except 2024. They could have had gone in several different directions than the one they chose. It was clear to me after the loss to the Lakers in the playoffs that the direction they needed to go in was to get younger, longer and more athletic but in the last two years they have not done so.

As a fan, I was flying so high after the '22 title and then Draymond went and crapped all over it. And then the team went and rewarded him for it. :nonono:
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#23 » by 510TWSS » Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:13 pm

Lacob brought some of this on himself with a lack of hubris.

"Lightyears"

"two timelines"

Hindsight the two timelines was massively egotistical line of thinking. The 22' chip probably exacerbated it. It's just the techbro-VC line of thinking.

Pick a lane and commit to it. We're not going to have 20 years of sustained 50+ wins that's not realistic even if the spurs (for the most part) were able to accomplish it.
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#24 » by Old_Blue » Wed Jan 8, 2025 8:17 pm

Some of these so called "fans" have no recollection of the bad old years. I'm talking about the years when real die hard fans tried to make the best of Rony Seikaly being on the roster. The Dubs - regardless of the "Golden State" branding - were Oakland's and the East Bay's team and we loved them through thick and thin. Instead, what we've got now is a bunch of fair weather statistically obsessed navel gazers who already have one foot out the door, ready to jump on the OKC Express. You weasels know who you are. Screw them. I already know there will be some down years in the near future. I'm okay with that. Steph was a generational talent whom I will have fond memories of until the day I keel over. Until then, I'd rather remain a dreamy eyed Warriors fan than a Christian invocation chanting OKC fan with their nose shoved up Chet Holmgren's bony ass. Eff that.
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#25 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:22 pm

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Twinkie defense wrote:Too little appreciation for the Warriors unprecedented in the modern era success. No realization that the League - through the draft and salary cap rules - is built to prevent long-term success. Be thankful for what you've had. It's over.


You can appreciate what they did in the past and also be critical of the current direction. The two are not mutually exclusive. I know, shocking idea. :roll:

Regardless of the current direction, it's over. Doesn't matter if they reload, rebuild, or stay the course - o v e r.
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#26 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:24 pm

Kuya wrote:Quit living in the past and acknowledge the present

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That's what I'm saying - quit living in the past, trying to pretend this team is the same one that was a winner. It's over. Done. Get over it.
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Post#27 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:29 pm

Jester_ wrote:so when can we start criticizing again?

just wondering how long Im legally required to suck off the FO

You can criticize - but don't pretend you have the secret to continued success. It's over.
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#28 » by EvanZ » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:54 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Too little appreciation for the Warriors unprecedented in the modern era success. No realization that the League - through the draft and salary cap rules - is built to prevent long-term success. Be thankful for what you've had. It's over.


You can appreciate what they did in the past and also be critical of the current direction. The two are not mutually exclusive. I know, shocking idea. :roll:

Regardless of the current direction, it's over. Doesn't matter if they reload, rebuild, or stay the course - o v e r.


LIke they need to sell the franchise?
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#29 » by Jester_ » Wed Jan 8, 2025 11:16 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:
Jester_ wrote:so when can we start criticizing again?

just wondering how long Im legally required to suck off the FO

You can criticize - but don't pretend you have the secret to continued success. It's over.


Wtf are you even talking about lol
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#30 » by Jax_23 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:18 am

Onus wrote:Why can’t you appreciate what they’ve done in the past while acknowledging they’re currently messing up the end of currys career?


Blame Dumbleavy then. I'm all for firing this bum. He's done hardly nothing noteworthy.
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#31 » by Jax_23 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:28 am

Speaking of 'Warriors Have a Fan Problem,' can we get some life into some of these fans at Chase Center. It's like the silicon valley nerds have taken over the arena. Get off your azzes, make some noise, and would it kill you to wear blue or a Warrior's jersey instead of leather jackets. Roaracle was 10x better than this feckless crowd most nights. Bring back some of that Oakland Krunk lmao.
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#32 » by Old_Blue » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:48 am

Jester_ wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:
Jester_ wrote:so when can we start criticizing again?

just wondering how long Im legally required to suck off the FO

You can criticize - but don't pretend you have the secret to continued success. It's over.


Wtf are you even talking about lol


I interpreted that to mean he's okay with you being traded to the Thunder for a bag of Doritos. :lol:
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#33 » by HiRez » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:25 am

Zvaart wrote:So,with this thread we basically have all the problems. The only one i can see occur is a zombie problem.

Oh, we already have that. It's also known as "our offense".
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Re: Warriors Have a Fan Problem 

Post#34 » by superunknown » Thu Jan 9, 2025 3:14 am

Old_Blue wrote:Some of these so called "fans" have no recollection of the bad old years. I'm talking about the years when real die hard fans tried to make the best of Rony Seikaly being on the roster. The Dubs - regardless of the "Golden State" branding - were Oakland's and the East Bay's team and we loved them through thick and thin. Instead, what we've got now is a bunch of fair weather statistically obsessed navel gazers who already have one foot out the door, ready to jump on the OKC Express. You weasels know who you are. Screw them. I already know there will be some down years in the near future. I'm okay with that. Steph was a generational talent whom I will have fond memories of until the day I keel over. Until then, I'd rather remain a dreamy eyed Warriors fan than a Christian invocation chanting OKC fan with their nose shoved up Chet Holmgren's bony ass. Eff that.


thank heavens there are "fans" like you reminding us all what a true fan really is with posts each one worse than the next.

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