PG: Knicks vs Raps: 1/8/25; Back to winning

[8516knicks]

Thibs message to the bench.
I don't trust you to play while the game is in balance, because you're not good enough
I don't trust you to play with 4 minutes left up by 25, because you're not good enough
I do trust you to play with 2 minutes left up by 25, because as awful as you bums are, you couldn't possibly lose the game at this point
Basketball is all about confidence, Go out there and play with hustle and confidence

iT DOESN'T HELP MATTERS THE KNICKS BENCH GOT OUTSCORED 12 TO ZERO THE LAST 2 MINUTES. That's what Thibbs will dream about.

[Gravy]

Obey the minutes law, hippy.

Youll never catch him

Better lower that reward, everyone on this board would turn him in for half that


I didn't know you were rich like that gravy, let me hold $20.

They dont pay me that much to post here and got me working like a dog, I need a raise

[Wildcat]

Yeah people must be blind to criticize Brunson now. But posters here are often blind and reactionary. We’ve seen a lot of it over the past year, so I’m not surprised.

We're use to a specific Brunson we've rarely seen this season.

I personally think his hand hasn't healed properly or maybe the hand was re-injured. Last season, I think he only had about 3 or 4 games where he hit 0 3's in a game. This season, he has 10. He's 6 for 43 from 3PT range in his last 9 games. That's pretty bad for a typically efficient scorer.

If he's hate, I rather them just say it. Let him rest.

I think he needs a week off. It's either his hand or his calf. Or both.

His shot has been off before the calf injury. If it's both or neither, yeah, I'm all for him resting for a week.

[ctorres]

Thibs message to the bench.
I don't trust you to play while the game is in balance, because you're not good enough
I don't trust you to play with 4 minutes left up by 25, because you're not good enough
I do trust you to play with 2 minutes left up by 25, because as awful as you bums are, you couldn't possibly lose the game at this point
Basketball is all about confidence, Go out there and play with hustle and confidence

iT DOESN'T HELP MATTERS THE KNICKS BENCH GOT OUTSCORED 12 TO ZERO THE LAST 2 MINUTES. That's what Thibbs will dream about.

Did they really?! Omg I can't blame Thibs

[Jalen Bluntson]

Kolek was on the court with Matt Ryan and Toppin, neither of them is NBA players.

And they were with Shamet and Sims. No one scored a single point against the Raptors scrubs who scored 8 straight in 2 minutes. They've been this awful all season. I'm just seeing pitiful excuses for them and blaming everyone else.

shamet and sims?! lord knows those two are the pillars of any great lineup

raptors emptied their bench at 4 mins. we had a 25 point lead at 3:20 with all of our starters in minus KAT. we emptied our bench at 2:20 up 26 and raptors went on a decent run lead by boucher.

lets look at context now

raptors bench mpg avg
Sheed - 16 mpg
Temple - 4 mpg, subbed in for the first time at 4 mins
Walter - 20 mpg
Boucher - 17 mpg, subbed in for the first time at 4 mins
Olynyk - 15 mpg

knicks bench
Kolek - 6 mpg, subbed in for the first time with 2:20 left in the 4th
Toppin - 4 mpg, subbed in for the first time with 2:20 left in the 4th
Shamet - 13 mpg
Ryan - 4 mpg, subbed in for the first time with 2:20 left in the 4th
Sims - 12 mpg

do you see the issue there and what might explain the reason our "bench" was outplayed by the raptors "scrubs". thibs sets these guys up to fail and people like you fall for it every time. I'm waiting to see if he ever puts these guys in position to succeed

Our actual regular bench players are supposed to be Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious/Mitch.

We played our bench a massive 47 minutes combined. Payne(11)/Shamet(21)/Precious(15). I would be fine with this if we had Deuce/Mitch healthy and playing around 15-20 minutes each as well. That's what playing your bench looks like. Anyone trying to say look our bench sucks and it's referring to 2 minutes of guys who NEVER play is being disingenuous and basically just flat out lying.

We could definitely use upgrades to the bench. We could also point out the health issues that have limited our best bench players all year. To some extent that limits what a HC can do but, let's not pretend that Thibs has EVER played his bench properly. He hasn't. He doesn't. He needs to. I have given him the injury excuse much of the season but, he goes above and beyond ridiculous with his minutes and it isn't debatable. It's irresponsible.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Thibs message to the bench.
I don't trust you to play while the game is in balance, because you're not good enough
I don't trust you to play with 4 minutes left up by 25, because you're not good enough
I do trust you to play with 2 minutes left up by 25, because as awful as you bums are, you couldn't possibly lose the game at this point
Basketball is all about confidence, Go out there and play with hustle and confidence

iT DOESN'T HELP MATTERS THE KNICKS BENCH GOT OUTSCORED 12 TO ZERO THE LAST 2 MINUTES. That's what Thibbs will dream about.

It doesn't help when you put 5 guys on the court who have never played as a rotation together and most of them have played about 20 minutes combined all season. This is not how you run a bench.

[sol537]

Deni would be a great pick-up to bolster the bench for 30 minutes as he could play the 2-3-4 positions. Doubt he's available but the fit would be great.

[Context]

All our starters were under 38 minutes.

INCONCEIVABLE!

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All we can do is hope that Thibs has an epiphany on bench development and minutes usage. I think he needs to mix in
Payne, Tyler, Precious, Sims and Shamet with Deuce, Hart, Brunson, Kat, MIkal and OG. Give it sometime...We are 3rd and 5th in
the standings...We will lose more games but eventually it will make us stronger and then once Mitch comes back -we will become stronger. I think longer term this makes us a better team than just playing 7/8 guys...I dont think thats physically sustainable.
Even if no one gets injured- they wont have a chance against teams like Boston, OKC and the Cavs- who are deeper and have chemistry that has been built over the last two years and 3/4 years in some cases...

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[TheGreenArrow]

Thibs message to the bench.
I don't trust you to play while the game is in balance, because you're not good enough
I don't trust you to play with 4 minutes left up by 25, because you're not good enough
I do trust you to play with 2 minutes left up by 25, because as awful as you bums are, you couldn't possibly lose the game at this point
Basketball is all about confidence, Go out there and play with hustle and confidence

iT DOESN'T HELP MATTERS THE KNICKS BENCH GOT OUTSCORED 12 TO ZERO THE LAST 2 MINUTES. That's what Thibbs will dream about.

It doesn't help when you put 5 guys on the court who have never played as a rotation together and most of them have played about 20 minutes combined all season. This is not how you run a bench.

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[Jalen Bluntson]

iT DOESN'T HELP MATTERS THE KNICKS BENCH GOT OUTSCORED 12 TO ZERO THE LAST 2 MINUTES. That's what Thibbs will dream about.

It doesn't help when you put 5 guys on the court who have never played as a rotation together and most of them have played about 20 minutes combined all season. This is not how you run a bench.

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This has nothing to do with what I posted. It's also a stupid comment from Josh. We factually watched Thibs minutes distribution lead to KAT missing a game. Thankfully it didn't lead to a more severe injury. We watched him do it to Shart last year multiple times. It actually happened to Josh as well in the playoffs.

I'm literally done with the discussion though. Thibs is a moron when it comes to minutes and he has other flaws that compound the issue. Hopefully the FO figures out a way to keep it from derailing another playoff run. Thibs isn't gonna change. In his defense, we need healthy guys for him to work with but, he still does ridiculous shyt that can be adjusted for better results if he tried.

[GettinitDone]

Not playing Kolek, Warren, Hukporti and Dadiet is a travesty... with this kind of starting lineup we have to play more players... we cannot afford to injure our best players... its another thing when you have 9-11 players at the same level and its not a big deal who goes down

Brutal to be up 20+ with 3-4 mins left and didn't put even 1 of them...

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I don't know why players keep defending him... when it only BENEFITS the team when starters play a little less so the bench can play a little more... it gives the starters fresher legs to actually properly close out games down the stretch and helps build the bench esp the rooks' game and confidence so when the starters are down 1-2 players to injuries, the rooks are ready

I don't know why Josh and KAT keep defending something that's obviously HURTING themselves, the rooks, and the team.

Even JB has started backing off from publicly supporting this... because he knows Thibs' madness doesn't benefit the team AT ALL. The cap has actually started acting in the best interest of the team, politics be damned...

There's a reason most coaches in the L play 9-10 players every game... it's a 82+ game season it's a frickin marathon, NOT a sprint. You wanna keep your team's key players fresh for the FINAL LAP. When it comes to minutes, there's a reason we have most coaches in 1 group, and then we have Thibs, all alone.



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But if Josh and KAT or other players wanna keep defending it and Thibs, be careful what you wish for.

From now on, I wish Thibs keeps playing the starters 40-45mpg for the rest of the season... let's really give this one to the players who defend it, to Thibs, and to fans/ posters here who say minutes are not correlated to fatigue or injuries whatsoever... let's really see it happen. My guess is the wheels will fall off, injuries will start to mount and losses start to pile up because the key players just don't have it in the 4th qs... but they think we're just minutes police who don't know anything/ are dead wrong... at this point just give what they want and see for real in the final lap if even Thibs himself wants what he thinks he wants. He thinks he wants it, I seriously doubt it.

Dude is said to be one of the most brilliant bball minds in the L history... but can't grasp the most basic concept of fatigue in sports is just mind-blowingly atrocious

[Gravy]

The unhinged Thibs rambling is Amazing. Soon he's going to be responsible for the war in Europe, climate change, and the extinction of the dinosaurs lol

[thebuzzardman]

Deni would be a great pick-up to bolster the bench for 30 minutes as he could play the 2-3-4 positions. Doubt he's available but the fit would be great.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/70651/deni-avdija#:~:text=Deni%20Avdija%20signed%20a%204,dead%20cap%20value%20of%20%2415%2C625%2C000.

15 million

That's Mitch + someone

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[K_ick_God]

It also did not go unnoticed that KAT sat for one game, and came back when we were on a disappointing losing streak. And won the game, with Hart and OG and Brunson showing restraint. Dog.

[spree2kawhi]

We're use to a specific Brunson we've rarely seen this season.

I personally think his hand hasn't healed properly or maybe the hand was re-injured. Last season, I think he only had about 3 or 4 games where he hit 0 3's in a game. This season, he has 10. He's 6 for 43 from 3PT range in his last 9 games. That's pretty bad for a typically efficient scorer.

If he's hate, I rather them just say it. Let him rest.

I think he needs a week off. It's either his hand or his calf. Or both.

His shot has been off before the calf injury. If it's both or neither, yeah, I'm all for him resting for a week.

He’ll get back on track eventually. An All Star snub could do wonders for the team’s outlook.

[Jalen Bluntson]

We're use to a specific Brunson we've rarely seen this season.

I personally think his hand hasn't healed properly or maybe the hand was re-injured. Last season, I think he only had about 3 or 4 games where he hit 0 3's in a game. This season, he has 10. He's 6 for 43 from 3PT range in his last 9 games. That's pretty bad for a typically efficient scorer.

If he's hate, I rather them just say it. Let him rest.

I think he needs a week off. It's either his hand or his calf. Or both.

His shot has been off before the calf injury. If it's both or neither, yeah, I'm all for him resting for a week.

He dropped multiple 30 point games dring the streak. Including a 39 & 55 pt game. His shot fell off the last 9 games. Not sure when the calf injury happened but, from 12/23 to today he can't hit the ocean from 3. Prior to that he was on fire all season. It's been two and a half weeks. Much of that, if not all of it, he has been dealing with injury. Players also just slump sometimes.

Not worried at all. He's a stud.

[TheGreenArrow]

It also did not go unnoticed that KAT sat for one game, and came back when we were on a disappointing losing streak. And won the game, with Hart and OG and Brunson showing restraint. Dog.

He’s the best player on the Team Kg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brunsons the Leader but Kats the best player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!