Bulls vs Wizards 7pm CT Jan. 10 2025

[greenwing]

I've lost interest. This is trending to another wasted play-in season, lost draft pick, which will inevitably be followed by "win now" moves that raise our ceiling to a 44 win team if everything goes juuuuuussssst right. And then someday I'll die. Go Bulls.

This organization is a complete and total **** show.

I would prefer that they tear it down and rebuild. But in all fairness, we are currently in an era with zero super teams and a lot of parity. If you collect a competent starting five then you can make a leap just like Cleveland did this year and OKC did last year and improved upon this year.

The Bulls are one piece away from being legitimately competitive - which is power forward. We now have two competent point guards in Giddey and Lonzo and Coby as a combo guard can handle it a bit. Jalen Smith has proven to be an adequate Drummond replacement. Phillips and Patrick Williams have backup frontcourt pieces written all over them. If they added a rim protector next to Vucevic or at the very least a power forward who can rebound then they’d seriously compete.

The problem is we don’t have good assets to make that move. Outside of someone like Zion being granted a change of scenery here I don’t know if there’s any move we make that could fill that spot.

[GoBlue72391]

Get Zach out of the game.

[Dan Z]

I've lost interest. This is trending to another wasted play-in season, lost draft pick, which will inevitably be followed by "win now" moves that raise our ceiling to a 44 win team if everything goes juuuuuussssst right. And then someday I'll die. Go Bulls.

This organization is a complete and total **** show.

I would prefer that they tear it down and rebuild. But in all fairness, we are currently in an era with zero super teams and a lot of parity. If you collect a competent starting five then you can make a leap just like Cleveland did this year and OKC did last year and improved upon this year.

The Bulls are one piece away from being legitimately competitive - which is power forward. We now have two competent point guards in Giddey and Lonzo and Coby as a combo guard can handle it a bit. Jalen Smith has proven to be an adequate Drummond replacement. Phillips and Patrick Williams have backup frontcourt pieces written all over them. If they added a rim protector next to Vucevic or at the very least a power forward who can rebound then they’d seriously compete.

The problem is we don’t have good assets to make that move. Outside of someone like Zion being granted a change of scenery here I don’t know if there’s any move we make that could fill that spot.

Cleveland and OKC have young players who have either been all-stars or have all-star potential. Plus, both teams have a star player to lead them (SGA and Mitchell). The Bulls have none of that.

How far do you think Zach and Vucevic will take the Bulls? I think this team is further away than a PF to be competitive (I mean really competitive...not a first round exit).

On top of that Vucevic is having a career year at the age of 34. Will he be able to continue to produce at this level? Will he do that next year too?

[SpongeWorthy]

I've lost interest. This is trending to another wasted play-in season, lost draft pick, which will inevitably be followed by "win now" moves that raise our ceiling to a 44 win team if everything goes juuuuuussssst right. And then someday I'll die. Go Bulls.

This organization is a complete and total **** show.

I would prefer that they tear it down and rebuild. But in all fairness, we are currently in an era with zero super teams and a lot of parity. If you collect a competent starting five then you can make a leap just like Cleveland did this year and OKC did last year and improved upon this year.

The Bulls are one piece away from being legitimately competitive - which is power forward. We now have two competent point guards in Giddey and Lonzo and Coby as a combo guard can handle it a bit. Jalen Smith has proven to be an adequate Drummond replacement. Phillips and Patrick Williams have backup frontcourt pieces written all over them. If they added a rim protector next to Vucevic or at the very least a power forward who can rebound then they’d seriously compete.

The problem is we don’t have good assets to make that move. Outside of someone like Zion being granted a change of scenery here I don’t know if there’s any move we make that could fill that spot.

OKC and Cleveland are super team by every definition except publicity and our roster has never been close to either of them.

[Dan Z]

I've lost interest. This is trending to another wasted play-in season, lost draft pick, which will inevitably be followed by "win now" moves that raise our ceiling to a 44 win team if everything goes juuuuuussssst right. And then someday I'll die. Go Bulls.

This organization is a complete and total **** show.

I said this in another post, but I wouldn't be surprised if after the trade deadline AK says that there were no trades to be made.

Doug has pointed out that the Bulls would be in a better position right now had AK done nothing. That's sad.

[Dan Z]

I did some quick math and after this game the Bulls are on pace for 39 wins.

[greenwing]

I've lost interest. This is trending to another wasted play-in season, lost draft pick, which will inevitably be followed by "win now" moves that raise our ceiling to a 44 win team if everything goes juuuuuussssst right. And then someday I'll die. Go Bulls.

This organization is a complete and total **** show.

I would prefer that they tear it down and rebuild. But in all fairness, we are currently in an era with zero super teams and a lot of parity. If you collect a competent starting five then you can make a leap just like Cleveland did this year and OKC did last year and improved upon this year.

The Bulls are one piece away from being legitimately competitive - which is power forward. We now have two competent point guards in Giddey and Lonzo and Coby as a combo guard can handle it a bit. Jalen Smith has proven to be an adequate Drummond replacement. Phillips and Patrick Williams have backup frontcourt pieces written all over them. If they added a rim protector next to Vucevic or at the very least a power forward who can rebound then they’d seriously compete.

The problem is we don’t have good assets to make that move. Outside of someone like Zion being granted a change of scenery here I don’t know if there’s any move we make that could fill that spot.

Cleveland and OKC have young players who have either been all-stars or have all-star potential. Plus, both teams have a star player to lead them (SGA and Mitchell). The Bulls have none of that.

How far do you think Zach and Vucevic will take the Bulls? I think this team is further away than a PF to be competitive (I mean really competitive...not a first round exit).

On top of that Vucevic is having a career year at the age of 34. Will he be able to continue to produce at this level? Will he do that next year too?

Zach and Vuc are all star level players. They looked more pedestrian while playing with DeRozan because he had such a high usage rate. DeRozan was fun to watch but this was addition by subtraction. Vuc and Zach could have been playing this level of basketball the past two seasons if they were not playing with an elite midrange shooter who always wanted the ball in his hands. It was always a matter of fit. And the three of them only fit briefly together when they had a healthy Lonzo.

Yes, they are one piece away from more than a first round exit. The bench is good. They have players at every position but the 4 which is an unbelievably big hole for them. But the chances of them upgrading that position is low.

[kodo]

Zach "no trade value" Lavine.

[cocktailswith_2short]

Zach has always been a baller get this man some help lol . We've given him a slow footed euro . Who knows what Zach could have done with a real supporting cast .

[Guru]

I've lost interest. This is trending to another wasted play-in season, lost draft pick, which will inevitably be followed by "win now" moves that raise our ceiling to a 44 win team if everything goes juuuuuussssst right. And then someday I'll die. Go Bulls.

This organization is a complete and total **** show.

I said this in another post, but I wouldn't be surprised if after the trade deadline AK says that there were no trades to be made.

Doug has pointed out that the Bulls would be in a better position right now had AK done nothing. That's sad.

Win by 30......most miserable fan base in sports

[Guru]

Zach has always been a baller get this man some help lol . We've given him a slow footed euro . Who knows what Zach could have done with a real supporting cast .

People keep complaining about Vuc as if he's not playing great.

There are things to complain about but the fact that Vuc isn't a super star is weird.

[Dez]

Zach has always been a baller get this man some help lol . We've given him a slow footed euro . Who knows what Zach could have done with a real supporting cast .

People keep complaining about Vuc as if he's not playing great.

There are things to complain about but the fact that Vuc isn't a super star is weird.

It's not given what was given up for him and he's only now playing well.

[Dan Z]

I would prefer that they tear it down and rebuild. But in all fairness, we are currently in an era with zero super teams and a lot of parity. If you collect a competent starting five then you can make a leap just like Cleveland did this year and OKC did last year and improved upon this year.

The Bulls are one piece away from being legitimately competitive - which is power forward. We now have two competent point guards in Giddey and Lonzo and Coby as a combo guard can handle it a bit. Jalen Smith has proven to be an adequate Drummond replacement. Phillips and Patrick Williams have backup frontcourt pieces written all over them. If they added a rim protector next to Vucevic or at the very least a power forward who can rebound then they’d seriously compete.

The problem is we don’t have good assets to make that move. Outside of someone like Zion being granted a change of scenery here I don’t know if there’s any move we make that could fill that spot.

Cleveland and OKC have young players who have either been all-stars or have all-star potential. Plus, both teams have a star player to lead them (SGA and Mitchell). The Bulls have none of that.

How far do you think Zach and Vucevic will take the Bulls? I think this team is further away than a PF to be competitive (I mean really competitive...not a first round exit).

On top of that Vucevic is having a career year at the age of 34. Will he be able to continue to produce at this level? Will he do that next year too?

Zach and Vuc are all star level players. They looked more pedestrian while playing with DeRozan because he had such a high usage rate. DeRozan was fun to watch but this was addition by subtraction. Vuc and Zach could have been playing this level of basketball the past two seasons if they were not playing with an elite midrange shooter who always wanted the ball in his hands. It was always a matter of fit. And the three of them only fit briefly together when they had a healthy Lonzo.

Yes, they are one piece away from more than a first round exit. The bench is good. They have players at every position but the 4 which is an unbelievably big hole for them. But the chances of them upgrading that position is low.

Zach and Vucevic are good but theyve been in the league for years (Zach 11 and Vucevic 14...I think). You think adding a decent PF will change things? Right now the team is on a 39 win pace. Last year they ended the season at 39 wins.

I agree that they could improve, but i disagree with how much. I also wouldnt compare them to OKC/Cleveland.

[GuardianEnzo]

I’m not sure there’s anything separating this Lonzo and pre-injury Lonzo except rust. And that has to be the unlikeliest development in the NBA this season.

[Dan Z]

I've lost interest. This is trending to another wasted play-in season, lost draft pick, which will inevitably be followed by "win now" moves that raise our ceiling to a 44 win team if everything goes juuuuuussssst right. And then someday I'll die. Go Bulls.

This organization is a complete and total **** show.

I said this in another post, but I wouldn't be surprised if after the trade deadline AK says that there were no trades to be made.

Doug has pointed out that the Bulls would be in a better position right now had AK done nothing. That's sad.

Win by 30......most miserable fan base in sports

Against the worst team in the league.

But im responding to Ducks comment about the overall situation with the franchise.

[kodo]

I will say in defense of Patrick, he played better than Mikal Bridges tonight (0-9) who was worth 6 1st round picks.

[Jcool0]

Zach a lock for the All Star team?

[cocktailswith_2short]

Zach a lock for the All Star team?

trending up . Hopefully the team finishes strong before the break to help lock him in .

[greenwing]

Cleveland and OKC have young players who have either been all-stars or have all-star potential. Plus, both teams have a star player to lead them (SGA and Mitchell). The Bulls have none of that.

How far do you think Zach and Vucevic will take the Bulls? I think this team is further away than a PF to be competitive (I mean really competitive...not a first round exit).

On top of that Vucevic is having a career year at the age of 34. Will he be able to continue to produce at this level? Will he do that next year too?

Zach and Vuc are all star level players. They looked more pedestrian while playing with DeRozan because he had such a high usage rate. DeRozan was fun to watch but this was addition by subtraction. Vuc and Zach could have been playing this level of basketball the past two seasons if they were not playing with an elite midrange shooter who always wanted the ball in his hands. It was always a matter of fit. And the three of them only fit briefly together when they had a healthy Lonzo.

Yes, they are one piece away from more than a first round exit. The bench is good. They have players at every position but the 4 which is an unbelievably big hole for them. But the chances of them upgrading that position is low.

Zach and Vucevic are good but theyve been in the league for years (Zach 11 and Vucevic 14...I think). You think adding a decent PF will change things? Right now the team is on a 39 win pace. Last year they ended the season at 39 wins.

I agree that they could improve, but i disagree with how much. I also wouldnt compare them to OKC/Cleveland.

I don’t think age is a big factor here personally. Good players these days seem to be lasting longer in the league due to better conditioning. It’s injuries that tend to derail player’s careers. Granted, I prefer building young teams like OKC has that have potential to have lasting power and then trading off the pieces before players start to decline to sell high and keep things churning. So if I was running the Bulls I would tear it down.

That being said if you’re trying to make a run for it now you do have two guys playing like stars who give you an inside and outside game. You also have the correct complementary scoring pieces in the starting lineup and on the bench with the exception of the 4. If you’re playing Washington your starting power forward should not be shooting 1 for 8 and scoring just two points. Patrick Williams disappears too often. He would be better suited as a backup 4 and he’s only shown himself to be a good scorer when he’s been given the few rare opportunities to be the guy due to injuries. He’ll never be the guy playing with Zach and Vuc since he plays too passive with them and he’s a tweener.

I think if you had a rim protector who could rebound it would greatly open up the floor since we have a stretch 5 in Vuc. Zach is also a guy capable of taking over games even now so there’s your star. Coby can also do that at times. It’s not like we don’t have weapons. We just don’t have a complete roster. The 39–win pace really doesn’t mean anything given that we are two loses out of the 5 seed. Playoffs are about matchups when it comes to a parity league like we have right now.

[erlim]

I've lost interest. This is trending to another wasted play-in season, lost draft pick, which will inevitably be followed by "win now" moves that raise our ceiling to a 44 win team if everything goes juuuuuussssst right. And then someday I'll die. Go Bulls.

This organization is a complete and total **** show.

I would prefer that they tear it down and rebuild. But in all fairness, we are currently in an era with zero super teams and a lot of parity. If you collect a competent starting five then you can make a leap just like Cleveland did this year and OKC did last year and improved upon this year.

The Bulls are one piece away from being legitimately competitive - which is power forward. We now have two competent point guards in Giddey and Lonzo and Coby as a combo guard can handle it a bit. Jalen Smith has proven to be an adequate Drummond replacement. Phillips and Patrick Williams have backup frontcourt pieces written all over them. If they added a rim protector next to Vucevic or at the very least a power forward who can rebound then they’d seriously compete.

The problem is we don’t have good assets to make that move. Outside of someone like Zion being granted a change of scenery here I don’t know if there’s any move we make that could fill that spot.

OKC and Cleveland are super team by every definition except publicity and our roster has never been close to either of them.

Like better than the 95-96 squad?