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2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#101 » by Ell Curry » Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:48 am

dagger wrote:I wonder if Masai is looking at this Raptor team and coming to the conclusion that this won't be a short rebuild, thereby convincing him to hear trade offers for Poeltl, providing he can get an FRP in the the 2025 draft and get out of most of Poeltl's money so he can do more future money take backs in other trades. Then roll with Kaminsky and Olynyk for the balance of this season, also give Chomche a few more minutes once the 905 season ends. That will cement the Raptors in a top-3 odds position heading into the lottery draw.


My vague guess is that he's further away from moving Poeltl because he likes Poeltl, it looks like we can tank even with him in the lineup, the lottery odds flattened a bit and Poeltl will never cost an insane amount to extend, unless he's truly sick of losing and would take 16M or so a year as a non-tax MLE deal somewhere he can win instead of 22M or so a year from us on his next deal. If it's a low tax state, maybe he'll feel like it's worth it? He'll have made 98M in his career after next year, hard to say how much the extra 20M or so over 3 years will matter to him when we're talking about a minimum of 150M in career earnings. He did say he doesn't want to be part of tank, and that money probably buys a damn fine castle outside Vienna...
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#102 » by thvcrulz » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:20 am

Tripod wrote:I wonder if there is a 3way deal that works between Raps, Detroit and Denver.

We get youth and pick+filler
Detroit gets Porter
Denver gets playable depth like Brown, Boucher, etc..



I like this thinking.


Det - receives MPJ

Toronto - receives Neke, THJ, Stewart, Detroit’s 2025 2nd (Toronto), Denver’s 2027 1st (they own Orlando their 2025 1st top 1-5 protected)

Denver - receives Boucher, Brown, Davion.


Detroit levels up their 3 spot with a quality championship starter locked in for 3 years. Costs them a second rounder and Beef Stew. THJ is a thrown in as he’s an expiring this year. They basically use their existing cap space to absorbs part of MPJ and still have all their draft capital and young prospects.

Denver solves their cap sheet issue by acquiring all expirings and getting off long term deals of MPJ and Neke but it costs them a 1st. In return they not only receive future cap flexibility to retool around Joker and Murray, but have a solid incoming bench rotation for the playoffs in Boucher, BB (the return) and Davion. Westbrook has shown he is a terrific fit with the starters while Gordon has been out so their lineup would look like:

Joker/Dario
Gordon/Boucher
Braun/Watson
Murray/Bruce
Westbrook/Davion

Would be really entertaining to see Westbrook and Boucher energy on the floor in the playoffs and maybe with a wink wink they can also sign TH jr after we cut him as well.

Toronto - we have to eat Neke’s long term deal to get Denver’s 2027 1st, but it’s only 8.8 annually and cap be fodder for future trades. I think we would be happy to take on Beef Stew’s 3 remaining years as he’s a quality backup C and could start if we pursue a Jak trade. He’s young and crazy, fits our timeline. THJ can be cut and sign with a contender and we get our 2nd rounder back this year.

Good use of packaging our expirings to facilitate a larger trade while increasing our draft capital and getting a prospect in Stewart but having to eat some long term salary in Neke.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#103 » by douggood » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:36 am

thvcrulz wrote:
Tripod wrote:I wonder if there is a 3way deal that works between Raps, Detroit and Denver.

We get youth and pick+filler
Detroit gets Porter
Denver gets playable depth like Brown, Boucher, etc..



I like this thinking.


Det - receives MPJ

Toronto - receives Neke, THJ, Stewart, Detroit’s 2025 2nd (Toronto), Denver’s 2027 1st (they own Orlando their 2025 1st top 1-5 protected)

Denver - receives Boucher, Brown, Davion.


why would denver trade a 1st + porter for boucher brown and davion
secondly denver has no tradable 1st.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#104 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:45 am

There doesn't seem to be much of a market for Poeltl at the moment. Of the few teams that need him, most are tanking.

Only team I can think of that could work is Atlanta. Capela is expiring in the summer and I'm not sure how they feel about Okongwu long term.

Maybe they'll bite at Capela and the Lakers 2025 unprotected FRP? Even if they did, that's a pick in the late 20s for a very productive player with some term left on his deal...not the best use of an asset for us.

Can't see why they'd give up Okongwu for Poeltl and honestly I'm not sure I'd want him even if they did offer him. I can't imagine Hunter is available either as they're short on capable wing players.

Its probably best we keep him at this time.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#105 » by djsunyc » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:43 am

this wont be popular but what about this deal(s) with minny for financial relief:

deal 1: ingles into our exemption (cut $2 mil in salary, much more in luxury)

deal 2: bruce + future 2nd for mcdaniels (saves 3 years at $25 mil a year and even shaves a few hundred grand this season for minny)

then look to move rj this summer which makes taking on jaden ok in terms of cap. mcdaniels will be the sf which improves the defense.

iq + brunson posted +8.5 net together so he can play with another guard.

im looking at g, sf and eventually center as the spots to change over the next 1-2 seasons unless gradey/jakobe become something special or we draft someone.

the mcdaniel deal wont be available to us in the summer bc we wont have the contracts for it
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#106 » by douggood » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:56 am

djsunyc wrote:this wont be popular but what about this deal(s) with minny for financial relief:

deal 1: ingles into our exemption (cut $2 mil in salary, much more in luxury)

deal 2: bruce + future 2nd for mcdaniels (saves 3 years at $25 mil a year and even shaves a few hundred grand this season for minny)

then look to move rj this summer which makes taking on jaden ok in terms of cap. mcdaniels will be the sf which improves the defense.

iq + brunson posted +8.5 net together so he can play with another guard.

im looking at g, sf and eventually center as the spots to change over the next 1-2 seasons unless gradey/jakobe become something special or we draft someone.

the mcdaniel deal wont be available to us in the summer bc we wont have the contracts for it

McDaniels is regressing backwards, soon he will be like his brother.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#107 » by islandboy53 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:32 pm

Here's a proposal from Fadeaway World that actually sounds reasonable. Toronto sends Kellly Olynyk to Dallas for Maxi Kleber, OMax & a 25 SRP (Den/Phi). The Mavericks add a stretch big to improve their offense, while the Raptors get some very modest draft capital and a young forward worth spending some developmental time on. Maxi gives us a bit of forward depth this year, while becoming a useful expiring salary next year. Thoughts?
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#108 » by dagger » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:45 pm

islandboy53 wrote:Here's a proposal from Fadeaway World that actually sounds reasonable. Toronto sends Kellly Olynyk to Dallas for Maxi Kleber, OMax & a 25 SRP (Den/Phi). The Mavericks add a stretch big to improve their offense, while the Raptors get some very modest draft capital and a young forward worth spending some developmental time on. Maxi gives us a bit of forward depth this year, while becoming a useful expiring salary next year. Thoughts?



It's a meh idea. Not terrible, not great. The pick is likely to end up as Denver's near the end of the second round. Kelly will also be expiring next year, and we have wings to develop. It leaves us short at C, not that I am Kelly's biggest fan.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#109 » by islandboy53 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:11 pm

dagger wrote:
islandboy53 wrote:Here's a proposal from Fadeaway World that actually sounds reasonable. Toronto sends Kellly Olynyk to Dallas for Maxi Kleber, OMax & a 25 SRP (Den/Phi). The Mavericks add a stretch big to improve their offense, while the Raptors get some very modest draft capital and a young forward worth spending some developmental time on. Maxi gives us a bit of forward depth this year, while becoming a useful expiring salary next year. Thoughts?



It's a meh idea. Not terrible, not great. The pick is likely to end up as Denver's near the end of the second round. Kelly will also be expiring next year, and we have wings to develop. It leaves us short at C, not that I am Kelly's biggest fan.


The pick is barely worth mentioning, but OMax should still have some potential. Kleber, although he isn't much of a shooter, can still play a little defence and grab a couple of boards as backup centre. Presumably this would mean more Mogbo as well.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#110 » by Raptorfan2012 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:47 pm

How about Boucher to Dallas for Grimes, Powell, and Prosper? We get 2 youngish players to add to our development pool, while Dallas gets a big who can score.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#111 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:58 pm

Hypothetical:

Ochai and POR 2nd for Cam Whitmore


Yea or ne?
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#112 » by ArthurVandelay » Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:34 pm

islandboy53 wrote:Here's a proposal from Fadeaway World that actually sounds reasonable. Toronto sends Kellly Olynyk to Dallas for Maxi Kleber, OMax & a 25 SRP (Den/Phi). The Mavericks add a stretch big to improve their offense, while the Raptors get some very modest draft capital and a young forward worth spending some developmental time on. Maxi gives us a bit of forward depth this year, while becoming a useful expiring salary next year. Thoughts?


It’s not a crazy idea. Depends how much more Mavs value Kelly over Kleber.

How about same deal but include Portland 2nd to Mavs and Mavs 1st to Raptors?
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#113 » by mademan » Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:03 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
islandboy53 wrote:Here's a proposal from Fadeaway World that actually sounds reasonable. Toronto sends Kellly Olynyk to Dallas for Maxi Kleber, OMax & a 25 SRP (Den/Phi). The Mavericks add a stretch big to improve their offense, while the Raptors get some very modest draft capital and a young forward worth spending some developmental time on. Maxi gives us a bit of forward depth this year, while becoming a useful expiring salary next year. Thoughts?


It’s not a crazy idea. Depends how much more Mavs value Kelly over Kleber.

How about same deal but include Portland 2nd to Mavs and Mavs 1st to Raptors?


They'd tell us to screw off. Im not sure there is a difference between Maxi and KO, so ill take a swing on Omax and a 2nd without looking a gift horse in the mouth.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#114 » by Spida888 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:19 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Hypothetical:

Ochai and POR 2nd for Cam Whitmore


Yea or ne?

I think Whitmore has talent, but might have some character issues. Heard he isn't getting along with some of his teammates. Not sure if he's a Masai type of guy.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#115 » by Raptorfan2012 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:26 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Hypothetical:

Ochai and POR 2nd for Cam Whitmore


Yea or ne?


Yeah for me. Cam would be pretty nice and I don't think the 2nd round pick will be better than Cam.

I don't know if the Raptors would do it though - they seem to really like Ochai and will probably extend him this off-season.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#116 » by Spida888 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:34 pm

mademan wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
islandboy53 wrote:Here's a proposal from Fadeaway World that actually sounds reasonable. Toronto sends Kellly Olynyk to Dallas for Maxi Kleber, OMax & a 25 SRP (Den/Phi). The Mavericks add a stretch big to improve their offense, while the Raptors get some very modest draft capital and a young forward worth spending some developmental time on. Maxi gives us a bit of forward depth this year, while becoming a useful expiring salary next year. Thoughts?


It’s not a crazy idea. Depends how much more Mavs value Kelly over Kleber.

How about same deal but include Portland 2nd to Mavs and Mavs 1st to Raptors?


They'd tell us to screw off. Im not sure there is a difference between Maxi and KO, so ill take a swing on Omax and a 2nd without looking a gift horse in the mouth.

The original trade offer is pretty fair but I'd still prefer to deal with GSW if we can get expirings coming back for more cap flexibility down the road. Maybe KO + Mitchell for Payton Jr + Looney + Waters III + 2 SRPs?
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#117 » by Zeno » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:00 pm

Spida888 wrote:
mademan wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
It’s not a crazy idea. Depends how much more Mavs value Kelly over Kleber.

How about same deal but include Portland 2nd to Mavs and Mavs 1st to Raptors?


They'd tell us to screw off. Im not sure there is a difference between Maxi and KO, so ill take a swing on Omax and a 2nd without looking a gift horse in the mouth.

The original trade offer is pretty fair but I'd still prefer to deal with GSW if we can get expirings coming back for more cap flexibility down the road. Maybe KO + Mitchell for Payton Jr + Looney + Waters III + 2 SRPs?

I don’t know, I guess it depends on how you value Prosper as a prospect. But I don’t view Kleber’s deal as an expirings that negatively as it is a kind of placeholder to be thrown into a deal next year. Assuming we don’t take additional money for next year in another deal, we have plenty of room to use our full MLE and stay under the tax. If they think Prosper is worth more than a mid 2nd rounder, I actually would prefer the Mavs deal.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#118 » by CazOnReal » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am

islandboy53 wrote:Here's a proposal from Fadeaway World that actually sounds reasonable. Toronto sends Kellly Olynyk to Dallas for Maxi Kleber, OMax & a 25 SRP (Den/Phi). The Mavericks add a stretch big to improve their offense, while the Raptors get some very modest draft capital and a young forward worth spending some developmental time on. Maxi gives us a bit of forward depth this year, while becoming a useful expiring salary next year. Thoughts?

For Olynyk? Sure. I like O-Max and you're getting some draft capital back that can be used to potentially move up from wherever Portland's 2nd ends up.

Spida888 wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Hypothetical:

Ochai and POR 2nd for Cam Whitmore


Yea or ne?

I think Whitmore has talent, but might have some character issues. Heard he isn't getting along with some of his teammates. Not sure if he's a Masai type of guy.

Masai had the chance to draft Cam Whitmore. He chose Gradey for a reason.

I wouldn't be surprised if the attitude sunk him just as much as it did the injury concerns.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#119 » by Mr Swagtastic » Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:05 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Hypothetical:

Ochai and POR 2nd for Cam Whitmore


Yea or ne?
I hold off Whitmore slid because of attitude problems and he was averaging 2 turnovers to 1 assist. He has potential but I think Ochai and a high second should hold more value to Toronto right now
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#120 » by Tripod » Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:15 am

Not sure why people want to move Ochai.

We need 3pt shooting and defense. He does both. And he plays offball, cuts, us still young and cheap.

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