Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

Post #21 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:06 pm

All that said, Barnes takes 16.9% of his shots from 10-16 feet and league average is 8.7%.

I think it's safe to conclude that, especially among volume scorers, he's up there by volume in that zone.

Basketball_Jones · Post #22 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:24 pm

Seeing some nice refinement finally. Teams are pretty much going to let him take these contested right now but I’m expecting by next season they’ll deny these shots more for him and hoping that leads to some free throws or counter moves he works on.

Scase · Post #23 » by **Scase** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:44 pm

tsherkin wrote:All that said, Barnes takes 16.9% of his shots from 10-16 feet and league average is 8.7%.

I think it's safe to conclude that, especially among volume scorers, he's up there by volume in that zone.

Nice to have my idea of making him live in the MR being vindicated, thanks for the numbers man!

Post #24 » by **tsherkin** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:09 am

Scase wrote:
tsherkin wrote:All that said, Barnes takes 16.9% of his shots from 10-16 feet and league average is 8.7%.

I think it's safe to conclude that, especially among volume scorers, he's up there by volume in that zone.

Nice to have my idea of making him live in the MR being vindicated, thanks for the numbers man!

Any time.

sbsat · Post #25 » by **sbsat** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:15 am

Can we stop overrating the progress hes made on offense? Hes made none and is an extremely limited scorer. Hes not that guy as much as i want him to be

Basketball_Jones · Post #26 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:20 am

sbsat wrote:Can we stop overrating the progress hes made on offense? Hes made none and is an extremely limited scorer. Hes not that guy as much as i want him to be

I don’t think anybody is saying he’s that guy. I do think we need to be realistic that he’s likely not even a secondary guy either

Tripod · Post #27 » by **Tripod** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:33 am

sbsat wrote:Can we stop overrating the progress hes made on offense? Hes made none and is an extremely limited scorer. Hes not that guy as much as i want him to be

It's your own fault thinking we was "that guy".

Most agree he is a 3rd scoring option guy who can get you 20+ on any given night along with filling the stat sheet elsewhere.

Problem is we have no #1 scorer so him and RJ get the most shots

Nature · Post #28 » by **Nature** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:38 am

He's a Lamar Odom or Andre Iguodala type player.

3rd/4th banana on a championship team. Nothing more. Nothing less.

raptor jesus · Post #29 » by **raptor jesus** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:49 am

Nature wrote:He's a Lamar Odom or Andre Iguodala type player.

3rd/4th banana on a championship team. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I was thinking the same thing recently about Scottie while watching Porzingis. Guys who become young All-stars, get a ton or hype but never ascend to a franchise-carrying talent. Then the shine wears off, and they actually become underrrated, and contribute elsewhere on a contender as a complimentary piece. I could definitely see Scottie following this trajectory.

HumbleRen · Post #30 » by **HumbleRen** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:28 am

Knew we were in for a crap game when he didn’t bend his knees on his first 3 possessions. Them stiff hips and high legs will never make him a competent scorer at a high level.

PushDaRock · Post #31 » by **PushDaRock** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:43 am

Nature wrote:He's a Lamar Odom or Andre Iguodala type player.

3rd/4th banana on a championship team. Nothing more. Nothing less.

looks to be trending that way and will likely be difficult to pay a guy like that the max on a championship team.

Tha Cynic · Post #32 » by **Tha Cynic** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:44 am

Absolute trash today lol

Scizzup · Post #33 » by **Scizzup** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:46 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Nature wrote:He's a Lamar Odom or Andre Iguodala type player.

3rd/4th banana on a championship team. Nothing more. Nothing less.

looks to be trending that way and will likely be difficult to pay a guy like that the max on a championship team.

It wouldn't if he actually starts playing defense like people been expecting or project. Jalen Williams (OKC) for example has had issues on offense this season but he is a tier 1 wing defender now so the rookie max will be fine. Right now, Scottie is not close to all nba level defense and his offense is hit or miss.

PushDaRock · Post #34 » by **PushDaRock** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:48 am

Scizzup wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Nature wrote:He's a Lamar Odom or Andre Iguodala type player.

3rd/4th banana on a championship team. Nothing more. Nothing less.

looks to be trending that way and will likely be difficult to pay a guy like that the max on a championship team.

It wouldn't if he actually starts playing defense like people been expecting or project. Jalen Williams (OKC) for example has had issues on offense this season but he is a tier 1 wing defender now so the rookie max will be fine. Right now, Scottie is not close to all nba level defense and his offense is hit or miss.

Sure, if he's an All-NBA level defender, his offensive flaws become less of an issue. I've been saying he should shift his focus there to maximize his potential.

Reality is his advanced stats have been mediocre to bad in his career, so his impact on winning is really still tbd imo.

C_Money · Post #35 » by **C_Money** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:49 am

Do we change the thread title when he doesn’t make the All-Star team this year?

Scizzup · Post #36 » by **Scizzup** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:56 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Scizzup wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
looks to be trending that way and will likely be difficult to pay a guy like that the max on a championship team.

It wouldn't if he actually starts playing defense like people been expecting or project. Jalen Williams (OKC) for example has had issues on offense this season but he is a tier 1 wing defender now so the rookie max will be fine. Right now, Scottie is not close to all nba level defense and his offense is hit or miss.

Sure, if he's an All-NBA level defender, his offensive flaws become less of an issue. I've been saying he should shift his focus there to maximize his potential.

honestly based on his scouting report I have been more disappointed in his defense than offense. He was decent for a stretch last year but he is a bad poa defender on guards, cant fight over screens and he doesn't show the IQ of ATG help defenders yet. He also doesn't have manic motor like Giannis. Even Suggs turned into an elite defender.

Scase · Post #37 » by **Scase** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:15 am

C_Money wrote:Do we change the thread title when he doesn’t make the All-Star team this year?

Matt "All Star Steady Freddy" Devlin is rolling in his grave smdh

Indeed · Post #38 » by **Indeed** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:46 am

Tripod wrote:
sbsat wrote:Can we stop overrating the progress hes made on offense? Hes made none and is an extremely limited scorer. Hes not that guy as much as i want him to be

It's your own fault thinking we was "that guy".

Most agree he is a 3rd scoring option guy who can get you 20+ on any given night along with filling the stat sheet elsewhere.

Problem is we have no #1 scorer so him and RJ get the most shots

He is going to be paid near-max, how is it others fault to think a near-max player wasn't "that guy".

Barrett is being paid like a 3rd scoring option.

Potential · Post #39 » by **Potential** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:58 am

Theres no way in hell Scottie is an all star this year.

LaMelo/Dame/Trae
Spida/Brunson/Cade
Tatum/Brown
Giannis/Paolo
KAT/Mobley

That's the team and u still got guys who will be snubs and potential injury replacements in Allen, Siakam, Wagner, Garland, Jalen Johnson

LoveMyRaps · Post #40 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:13 am

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