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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#101 » by Jcool0 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:50 am

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It's not easy root for Billy D. I think he's a great coach, but this seems like a mismatch.

Billy is a great coach. Lol



Billy is a decent coach


A coach that needs to be fired.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#102 » by PDXKnight » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:50 am

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I'm not sure why they went away from that. Maybe teams figured them out a bit?

The reality is that it's not a good team and the front office needs to move in a new direction.


Boy as a blazer fan does this statement resonate with me. Best of luck this season, hopefully both teams figure out where they are supposed to go at some point


Thank you.

I'm not sure what the Blazers front office is like, but the Bulls FO has been stubborn and generally refuses to rebuild.


The Blazers fo supposedly committed to a rebuild when they traded Dame away but has since been holding onto more veteran players who do nothing for a rebuild. All the while we are holding onto Chauncey billups who is a terrible developmental coach. I think Chauncey will be gone after the season is over at the latest but we will see on ant/grant/ayton
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#103 » by Indomitable » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:51 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Let’s keep our pick. I don’t care about anymore. The wheels are falling off. We will be 10 games under .500 very soon. What happened to this team?

Zach and Vuc are the only two players you can count to not completely awful games. The rest are a crapshoot. I think AK should be fired. He failed. Period.

I hope Zach gets moved.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#104 » by Dan Z » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:54 am

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Boy as a blazer fan does this statement resonate with me. Best of luck this season, hopefully both teams figure out where they are supposed to go at some point


Thank you.

I'm not sure what the Blazers front office is like, but the Bulls FO has been stubborn and generally refuses to rebuild.


The Blazers fo supposedly committed to a rebuild when they traded Dame away but has since been holding onto more veteran players who do nothing for a rebuild. All the while we are holding onto Chauncey billups who is a terrible developmental coach. I think Chauncey will be gone after the season is over at the latest but we will see on ant/grant/ayton


I never understood why they re-signed Jerami Grant for as many years as they did.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#105 » by FriedRise » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:55 am

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The version of the Bulls to start the season did have a chance to win enough games to make the playoffs. Fast pace, share the ball, tons of 3s. They've gone away from all of that completely to whatever this is, and without the defense, they're just not gonna be able to score enough to beat anybody. Right now, every team knows that if they just attack the basket, they'll probably go to the line (a lot) and win the game.


I'm not sure why they went away from that. Maybe teams figured them out a bit?

The reality is that it's not a good team and the front office needs to move in a new direction.


It wasn't a sustainable strategy. The defense is the worst in the business, and Giddey doesn't shoot well enough to be a part of that chuck offense. With the streaky way Pat, Vuc and Coby shoot, and with no shooting specialists on the bench, we're suited to be a tank job with high-pace 3P offense, not the championship Warriors.

I still think that "thanks to it", we'll win the odd game here and there that we wouldn't have won last year. With this losing streak, we're coming back to earth (expected standings), but for a while there, we were atleast 4 games above Vegas odds.


It wasn't sustainable, but it's this group's only chance to win an NBA game. This team doesn't have any other way to generate points other than spamming 3s. Most of the games we won in the first half of the season was because everyone was willing to spam 3s. We had guys taking 9-10 3s a game, and on nights where they're hitting them at a 40-50% clip, we'd win that game. It masked a LOT of the problems the team has.

Now guys are turning down open looks and opting to attack the basket. Lots of dribbling too and not enough passing. But the problem is none of them are particularly good at it. It's always either a turnover or a missed layup/floater/middy. They're all pretty terrible at drawing contact and the refs don't particularly care to give them the whistle. I'm personally good with it because it just ensures that they'll lose every game from here on out (other than the ones where they decide to spam 3s again), but something changed for sure.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#106 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:58 am

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WindyCityBorn wrote:Let’s keep our pick. I don’t care about anymore. The wheels are falling off. We will be 10 games under .500 very soon. What happened to this team?

Zach and Vuc are the only two players you can count to not completely awful games. The rest are a crapshoot. I think AK should be fired. He failed. Period.

I hope Zach gets moved.


He isn’t getting moved. I’d be shocked if he is. There is still no market for him based on everything being said.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#107 » by PDXKnight » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:18 am

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Thank you.

I'm not sure what the Blazers front office is like, but the Bulls FO has been stubborn and generally refuses to rebuild.


The Blazers fo supposedly committed to a rebuild when they traded Dame away but has since been holding onto more veteran players who do nothing for a rebuild. All the while we are holding onto Chauncey billups who is a terrible developmental coach. I think Chauncey will be gone after the season is over at the latest but we will see on ant/grant/ayton


I never understood why they re-signed Jerami Grant for as many years as they did.


The blazers fo made a commitment with jerami's agency (Klutch) to resign grant to a big deal come hell or higher water whether Dame stayed or went. Backing out on a handshake deal with a prominent agency would be suicide for the Blazers fo but I'm not sure why such a promise was ever made in the first place. Most of us on the Blazers board didn't like the signing from Day 1
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#108 » by Red8911 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:46 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Let’s keep our pick. I don’t care about winning anymore. The wheels are falling off. We will be 10 games under .500 very soon. What happened to this team?

Zach and Vuc are the only two players you can count on to not have completely awful games. The rest are a crapshoot. I think AK should be fired. He failed. Period.

I don’t think you’ve cared about winning since day one this season lol but anyways your right AK has failed and wouldn’t blame the Reinsdorfs if they fired him tomorrow along with Billy.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#109 » by 2weekswithpay » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:51 am

Only 6 fastbreak points tonight and they shot less than 30 3s.

The Blazers took away the Bulls' two largest sources of offense and the Bulls had issues with their size in the halfcourt.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#110 » by Muzbar » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:54 am

JRoy wrote:Go Bulls!

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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#111 » by Red8911 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:57 am

This team has lost their mojo for the last 5 games. They would have lost all these games no matter who or where they played and I’m afraid this will continue longer.

Crazy before this losing streak we were talking about how they have over achieved and how maybe they had a chance to move up the standings.

AK has to make changes to this roster. A lot of these young guys that we thought were the future of the bulls just aren’t cutting it. Disappointing seasons so far from both Coby and Pat who we expected a lot from. Ayo is just average. Giddey is inconsistent and not much of a difference maker.

I’m not saying change the whole roster but somethings got to change. Even a coach could sometimes make a difference. Maybe Billy isn’t the guy for the job, why not try someone else ?

AK has a lot of work to do and decisions to make. Trade deadline is in a couple of weeks.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#112 » by Dominator83 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:21 am

Indomitable wrote:
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Indomitable wrote:Billy is a great coach. Lol



Billy is a decent coach

Billy is guy. He should not be reassured of any type of future.

There are coaches that actually won championships and had less rope given.

Frank Vogel got fired like 2 years removed from a championship. Ditto for Mike Budenholzer
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#113 » by Dan Z » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:22 am

Red8911 wrote:This team has lost their mojo for the last 5 games. They would have lost all these games no matter who or where they played and I’m afraid this will continue longer.

Crazy before this losing streak we were talking about how they have over achieved and how maybe they had a chance to move up the standings.

AK has to make changes to this roster. A lot of these young guys that we thought were the future of the bulls just aren’t cutting it. Disappointing seasons so far from both Coby and Pat who we expected a lot from. Ayo is just average. Giddey is inconsistent and not much of a difference maker.

I’m not saying change the whole roster but somethings got to change. Even a coach could sometimes make a difference. Maybe Billy isn’t the guy for the job, why not try someone else ?

AK has a lot of work to do and decisions to make. Trade deadline is in a couple of weeks.


A coaching change might be necessary at some point, but my concern is what if they go on a small winning streak (which happens with new coaches)? What then? I can imagine AK looking at a winning steak and thinking the play-in is a good goal.

Also, didn't Billy recently sign a contract extension? I doubt JR will pay him to go away, but you never know.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#114 » by Dominator83 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:27 am

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The Blazers fo supposedly committed to a rebuild when they traded Dame away but has since been holding onto more veteran players who do nothing for a rebuild. All the while we are holding onto Chauncey billups who is a terrible developmental coach. I think Chauncey will be gone after the season is over at the latest but we will see on ant/grant/ayton


I never understood why they re-signed Jerami Grant for as many years as they did.


The blazers fo made a commitment with jerami's agency (Klutch) to resign grant to a big deal come hell or higher water whether Dame stayed or went. Backing out on a handshake deal with a prominent agency would be suicide for the Blazers fo but I'm not sure why such a promise was ever made in the first place. Most of us on the Blazers board didn't like the signing from Day 1

I never understand why FOs do these agents favors. Like , unless your maybe the Lakers, when do agents ever return the favor??
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#115 » by PDXKnight » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:36 am

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I never understood why they re-signed Jerami Grant for as many years as they did.


The blazers fo made a commitment with jerami's agency (Klutch) to resign grant to a big deal come hell or higher water whether Dame stayed or went. Backing out on a handshake deal with a prominent agency would be suicide for the Blazers fo but I'm not sure why such a promise was ever made in the first place. Most of us on the Blazers board didn't like the signing from Day 1

I never understand why FOs do these agents favors. Like , unless your maybe the Lakers, when do agents ever return the favor??


Yup its nuts. Agents will get their player the best offer possible and will abandon their word to get their client more money every time.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#116 » by MrSparkle » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:38 am

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HomoSapien wrote:At least the trade chatter some what woke Pat up, I guess.


15 points 3 rebounds 2nd worst starter at -9 is waking up?


Hey- 15 points for a single digit guy is a big deal. That’s a 50% jump!

Coby and Pat are both laying eggs. They’re not good enough to keep starting beyond this year.

We need to draft a PG and C, and Matas needs to start playing.
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Post#117 » by Muzbar » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:43 am

Despite the loss, the Bulls still sit in 10th place in the East.

Some people's play-in dreams are still alive!

That's how bad the East is this year...
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#118 » by WesPeace » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:51 am

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jordanwilliams6 wrote:I absolutely despise how Billy plays Matas. He has a solid first half and then gets played for a random 4 minute stretch in the second half?


It's not easy root for Billy D. I think he's a great coach, but this seems like a mismatch.


You probably wanted to say you dont think he is a great coach ..
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#119 » by DASMACKDOWN » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:37 am

I think the reason most of you are frustrated is because you haven't been told an actual direction. Teams that tank dont tell you they are tanking. They just make moves that give you that indication. See Nets.

But as of now, no moves have been made. So, in most people's minds, it is considered that we have some expectations.

I dont think that is what we are doing.

In reality, we are exactly where we should be. Without blatantly sitting Zach or Vooch, this is about where should be win wise. A team that will hover around 5-10 games under .500

Now the true game begins in the next few weeks before trade deadline. If nothing is done, that is when the pitchforks should come out. That is when it's a fire-able offense for several people. Bulls nation would and should be highly irritated.

Until then, we are just sitting and waiting.

If you want to keep the pick, you realize you also have to lose. So these games are actually positives.
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Re: Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025 

Post#120 » by Guru » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:47 pm

WesPeace wrote:
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jordanwilliams6 wrote:I absolutely despise how Billy plays Matas. He has a solid first half and then gets played for a random 4 minute stretch in the second half?


It's not easy root for Billy D. I think he's a great coach, but this seems like a mismatch.


You probably wanted to say you dont think he is a great coach ..


He's got a long history of being a fantastic coach and that will continue after his stay here. I have no doubt

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