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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1321 » by Dresden » Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:07 pm

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1322 » by Dresden » Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:13 pm

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Dresden wrote:Not being able to pick up those short yardage plays eventually caught up with BUF. KC figured out how to stop their QB sneaks, and that really turned the tide of the game when BUF failed on 4th and short. And again, no one has an answer for Mahomes and that KC offense, that seems to be able to generate points whenever they need to.

Also crucial was KC converting a 2 point play, while BUF failed on two of them, including one from the one yard line. That's a 6 point swing.


I was chatting on twitter about the game, and I said I feel like Buffalo should win, but you just can't bet against Mahomes. He's Jordan at this point. It doesn't matter if the other team is more talented, it doesn't matter what else is going on, you just can't bet against him.

And this game was a microcosm of that for all the reasons you said, not just Mahomes obviously, but KC just makes these crucial plays. When there is a critical "game on the line" type moment. KC makes the play. It's really hard to overcome that. It's like you have to beat them big and consistently.

Also, obviously no genius in this statement either, I think it's now 17 straight one score games they've won.
I will say this. Buffalo had boneheaded coaching mistakes. Not using Cook over and over again against KC was a huge mistake. Whenever you face a tough defense always uses your RB so they feel that threat. Instead for most of the game KC didn't have to worry about the threat of the run and just dropped guys back into pass coverage and blitz.

With that stated there was more than a fair share of calls going KCs way. The 4th and 1, the worthy "catch" were bad looks for the NFL

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I think one of the keys to the game was that KC found an answer to stopping BUF's QB sneaks. It cost BUF a 2 pt conversion, and then it cost them that big 4th down failure. BUF just kept running the same play over and over- it was like they didn't have any other ideas.

I didn't see anything wrong with the ruling on the Worthy catch. He clearly took the ball away, and had at least 50% of it when they hit the ground.

In the end, KC was just a little bit better than BUF. Not by much, but enough to win the game. Too bad for BUF, I really thought this might be their year.

I just hope PHILLY stops KC now. It should be a good game- PHI's power running game v. Mahomes and the finesse of KC's offense.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1323 » by panthermark » Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:24 pm

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/russell_wilson_raiders_rumors_gain_more_traction_with_latest_report/s1_13132_41643972

Well that would be interesting. Russ teaming up with Pete again. I wonder if Fields stays a Steeler?
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1324 » by dougthonus » Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:46 pm

nitetrain8603 wrote:I will say this. Buffalo had boneheaded coaching mistakes. Not using Cook over and over again against KC was a huge mistake. Whenever you face a tough defense always uses your RB so they feel that threat. Instead for most of the game KC didn't have to worry about the threat of the run and just dropped guys back into pass coverage and blitz.


Maybe, but your QB is potentially the MVP of the league, and you go with what is working. I mean it's one of those things where hindsight is 20/20 to me. If he's able to convert the QB sneaks, which have been unstoppable for Buffalo all year long, then they win the game. It's hard for me to say "hey, don't use your the play that has proven completely unstoppable in the most critical moments, go do something else" because if that thing failed, you'd look back and go what the hell were you thinking? You outsmarted yourself.

In the end, people will always question the results in a loss, but going with your best player as the critical cog and the best plays that you've won with all year is hard for me to be overly critical about.

With that stated there was more than a fair share of calls going KCs way. The 4th and 1, the worthy "catch" were bad looks for the NFL


The Worthy catch was the right call IMO, tie goes to the receiver and clearly was a tie in the end even though Hamlin looked like he had initial possession, the ball is sliding in his hands and not firmly in them, but even if you want to say it was the wrong call, there was holding on the play, KC was going to have first down from the Buffalo 24 in the worst case scenario.

Agree the 4th and 1 was a call was a tough one. I get why it wasn't overturned, but bad look for the NFL for sure, if they called it the other way on the field, no way it gets overturned either.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1325 » by Chi town » Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:58 pm

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Chi town wrote:BenJ has some stones hiring a 28yr old TE coach.

Kid is probably Ben Jr.


He will probably just be his puppet.


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Post#1326 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:05 pm

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Chi town wrote:BenJ has some stones hiring a 28yr old TE coach.

Kid is probably Ben Jr.


He will probably just be his puppet.


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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1327 » by molepharmer » Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:37 pm

Declan Doyle was on Luke Getsy's Senior Bowl staff in 2023. Maybe Getsy told Poles to keep an eye out for Doyle as a promising young coach.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1328 » by nitetrain8603 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:38 pm

dougthonus wrote:
nitetrain8603 wrote:I will say this. Buffalo had boneheaded coaching mistakes. Not using Cook over and over again against KC was a huge mistake. Whenever you face a tough defense always uses your RB so they feel that threat. Instead for most of the game KC didn't have to worry about the threat of the run and just dropped guys back into pass coverage and blitz.


Maybe, but your QB is potentially the MVP of the league, and you go with what is working. I mean it's one of those things where hindsight is 20/20 to me. If he's able to convert the QB sneaks, which have been unstoppable for Buffalo all year long, then they win the game. It's hard for me to say "hey, don't use your the play that has proven completely unstoppable in the most critical moments, go do something else" because if that thing failed, you'd look back and go what the hell were you thinking? You outsmarted yourself.

In the end, people will always question the results in a loss, but going with your best player as the critical cog and the best plays that you've won with all year is hard for me to be overly critical about.

With that stated there was more than a fair share of calls going KCs way. The 4th and 1, the worthy "catch" were bad looks for the NFL


The Worthy catch was the right call IMO, tie goes to the receiver and clearly was a tie in the end even though Hamlin looked like he had initial possession, the ball is sliding in his hands and not firmly in them, but even if you want to say it was the wrong call, there was holding on the play, KC was going to have first down from the Buffalo 24 in the worst case scenario.

Agree the 4th and 1 was a call was a tough one. I get why it wasn't overturned, but bad look for the NFL for sure, if they called it the other way on the field, no way it gets overturned either.
Disagree with its what got them there. The Bills fired Ken Dorsey mid season last year to run the ball more. And it worked. They put an emphasis on limiting mistakes from Josh Allen. James Cook is their 2nd best playmaker. When the Bills beat the Ravens last week, Josh had under 200 yards passing.

The threat of Josh Allen is great when you show a strong defense that loves to blitz that you're willing to take what's given. Whether that's the run, underneath routes, the middle, or over the top. Bills play calling and discipline were garbage last night. They did what the Ravens did the previous year

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1329 » by patryk7754 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:10 pm

molepharmer wrote:Declan Doyle was on Luke Getsy's Senior Bowl staff in 2023. Maybe Getsy told Poles to keep an eye out for Doyle as a promising young coach.

Poles shouldn't be listening to anything Getsy is saying.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1330 » by Dresden » Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:50 pm

Sounds like the Steelers are going to sign either Wilson or Fields, but not both:

"I think they're both capable quarterbacks, and my preference would be to sign one of them, so that'll be the priority," Rooney told reporters. "And I think that will give us the best opportunity to move forward."

It will be interesting to see who they pick, and then what the other guy gets on the open market. If they pick Wilson, what teams might be interested in Fields? Cleveland? Raiders? Saints? Tennessee? I don't guess he'll be given a starting job, but will likely have a chance to compete for one. Especially if some team drafts a rookie QB, they might see Justin as a 1-2 year stop gap.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1331 » by nitetrain8603 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:54 pm

Dresden wrote:Sounds like the Steelers are going to sign either Wilson or Fields, but not both:

"I think they're both capable quarterbacks, and my preference would be to sign one of them, so that'll be the priority," Rooney told reporters. "And I think that will give us the best opportunity to move forward."

It will be interesting to see who they pick, and then what the other guy gets on the open market. If they pick Wilson, what teams might be interested in Fields? Cleveland? Raiders? Saints? Tennessee? I don't guess he'll be given a starting job, but will likely have a chance to compete for one. Especially if some team drafts a rookie QB, they might see Justin as a 1-2 year stop gap.


Honestly, I think if there's a coach who can benefit from Fields, I think it's Carroll and the Raiders. They have a strong TE who gets open quite a bit. Get him a big WR who can catch jump balls.
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Post#1332 » by jnrjr79 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:02 pm

Dresden wrote:Sounds like the Steelers are going to sign either Wilson or Fields, but not both:

"I think they're both capable quarterbacks, and my preference would be to sign one of them, so that'll be the priority," Rooney told reporters. "And I think that will give us the best opportunity to move forward."

It will be interesting to see who they pick, and then what the other guy gets on the open market. If they pick Wilson, what teams might be interested in Fields? Cleveland? Raiders? Saints? Tennessee? I don't guess he'll be given a starting job, but will likely have a chance to compete for one. Especially if some team drafts a rookie QB, they might see Justin as a 1-2 year stop gap.


It won't shock me if Pete Carroll tries to get Russ out to Oakland and that leaves Pittsburgh with Fields.
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Post#1333 » by dice » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:28 am

nitetrain8603 wrote:...there was more than a fair share of calls going KCs way. The 4th and 1, the worthy "catch" were bad looks for the NFL

the 4th and 1 was too close to overturn i thought

what i don't understand about the worthy play is that the ball hit the ground before he wrestled it away
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Post#1334 » by dice » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:45 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:Damn Barkley is special. First play from scrimmage...to the house. QBs get all the glory but he's had a MVP season.


If they can’t give MVP to Saquon this season, they should change the name to reflect that it’s exclusively a QB award. End the farce.

it's not like allen and jackson didn't have amazing seasons as well

and btw, henry had a better regular season than barkley. more TDs, edge in YPC, not as good an O-line to run behind, significantly better PFF grade...
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Post#1335 » by dice » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:51 am

fleet wrote:Al Harris immediately locks onto Toast.

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MUCH bigger issue than any of the O-line positions. if they think they can coach him up, great. otherwise bench/trade him and maybe sign a starting FA corner
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1336 » by dice » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:54 am

fleet wrote:This actually makes me feel better than the guy from Texas. Trading down for Booker and signing Smith and the Falcons guy would be ideal. I hope Booker is a real alternative to Campbell and Banks. Not sure about Simmons, but the medicals at the combine will tell us more on him

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Post#1337 » by TheEndIsNigh » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:55 am

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He will probably just be his puppet.


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He will be the first of the line of successful head coaches from the Ben Johnson tree.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1338 » by dice » Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:56 am

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Doyle never played college football, apparently, and still managed to become a Saints offensive assistant at 23. This should be interesting.


Apparently he’s Ditka’s nephew.

and adding him was a prerequisite of BJ getting the gig
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1339 » by patryk7754 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:04 am

Apparently dj Moore left his vacation in Europe to be at Johnson’s press conference. I think that indicates a culture shift. If even slightly. At least guys seem to be excited about Johnson
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#1340 » by fleet » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:35 am

What had happened was, DJ was on a family vacation at Disneyworld, and had returned for a couple days before the presser if I heard him say it right.

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