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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#141 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:47 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:Ngl this is a pretty underwhelming hire. He was on Carroll's staff for a bit as well. He's bounced around as an assistant/coordinator.

He will run Special Teams in Dallas and not the defense. I believe Sorensen’s last Special Teams team he coached ranked 31st in the NFL.

I’m convinced that the Jones have absolutely lost their collective minds or they are preparing to take for Arch Manning.

He's been both a defensive Coordinator (SF) & a Special Teams Coordinator (Jacksonville).

Yes, the one year he was a Special Team's Coordinator (2021) they ranked 31st.

Going from John Fassel to Sorensen is a major downgrade.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#142 » by Mr B » Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:03 pm

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Mr B wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Ngl this is a pretty underwhelming hire. He was on Carroll's staff for a bit as well. He's bounced around as an assistant/coordinator.

He will run Special Teams in Dallas and not the defense. I believe Sorensen’s last Special Teams team he coached ranked 31st in the NFL.

I’m convinced that the Jones have absolutely lost their collective minds or they are preparing to take for Arch Manning.

He's been both a defensive Coordinator (SF) & a Special Teams Coordinator (Jacksonville).

Yes, the one year he was a Special Team's Coordinator (2021) they ranked 31st.

Going from John Fassel to Sorensen is a major downgrade.

Going from Fassel to anyone is a major down grade.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#143 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:36 pm

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Mr B wrote:He will run Special Teams in Dallas and not the defense. I believe Sorensen’s last Special Teams team he coached ranked 31st in the NFL.

I’m convinced that the Jones have absolutely lost their collective minds or they are preparing to take for Arch Manning.

He's been both a defensive Coordinator (SF) & a Special Teams Coordinator (Jacksonville).

Yes, the one year he was a Special Team's Coordinator (2021) they ranked 31st.

Going from John Fassel to Sorensen is a major downgrade.

Going from Fassel to anyone is a major down grade.

Yeah, it seems like there are only maybe a handful of coaches who make a difference on Special Teams. He's one of them.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#144 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:19 am

Guess the bright side to all of this is there's no other way to go but up.

The expectations will be lower next season and that's not a bad thing.

A good to way to start the climb up is by having a good draft.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#145 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 29, 2025 1:55 am

Fierce1 wrote:Guess the bright side to all of this is there's no other way to go but up.

The expectations will be lower next season and that's not a bad thing.

A good to way to start the climb up is by having a good draft.

I have a weird feeling they don’t want to win, at least not this season. What they do (or don’t do) in free agency will tell us a lot about how they want this season to go. Why they would purposely tank the season I have no idea. They are clearly not trying to win though.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#146 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:58 am

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Fierce1 wrote:Guess the bright side to all of this is there's no other way to go but up.

The expectations will be lower next season and that's not a bad thing.

A good to way to start the climb up is by having a good draft.

I have a weird feeling they don’t want to win, at least not this season. What they do (or don’t do) in free agency will tell us a lot about how they want this season to go. Why they would purposely tank the season I have no idea. They are clearly not trying to win though.

They want to win. Jerry wants to prove everyone wrong. That's clear.

They just don't want to spend the money. That's why they let McCarthy walk. Because they didn't want to commit to him financially long-term. So, they went with a cheaper option.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#147 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:04 am

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Fierce1 wrote:Guess the bright side to all of this is there's no other way to go but up.

The expectations will be lower next season and that's not a bad thing.

A good to way to start the climb up is by having a good draft.

I have a weird feeling they don’t want to win, at least not this season. What they do (or don’t do) in free agency will tell us a lot about how they want this season to go. Why they would purposely tank the season I have no idea. They are clearly not trying to win though.

Jerry wants to win.

The problem with Jerry is he wants to win his way.
Like the saying, "My way or the highway."

Reason why the Celtics won their 17th Banner was because the new owners hired Danny Ainge and didn't get in the way of what Ainge was trying to do.

The former owner of the Celtics cared more about money than winning championships.

It's like Jerry will not get full satisfaction if he doesn't get credit for building the team and hiring the coaches.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#148 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Jan 29, 2025 4:12 am

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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#149 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:20 am

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Mr B wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Guess the bright side to all of this is there's no other way to go but up.

The expectations will be lower next season and that's not a bad thing.

A good to way to start the climb up is by having a good draft.

I have a weird feeling they don’t want to win, at least not this season. What they do (or don’t do) in free agency will tell us a lot about how they want this season to go. Why they would purposely tank the season I have no idea. They are clearly not trying to win though.

They want to win. Jerry wants to prove everyone wrong. That's clear.

They just don't want to spend the money. That's why they let McCarthy walk. Because they didn't want to commit to him financially long-term. So, they went with a cheaper option.

That’s part of the reason McCarthy walked. It was also because not only did they lowball him on the dollar amount but they only offered him a 1 year deal. Also he had to agree to give up play calling duties to Schotty.

Schotty is being put in an impossible position. A guy that has never been a HC before is now expected to be the HC and offensive play caller. He’s being set up to fail. The why is the reason I can’t figure out. Is it out of pure stupidity by the Jones’ or is there a specific reason?
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#150 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:10 pm

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Mr B wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Guess the bright side to all of this is there's no other way to go but up.

The expectations will be lower next season and that's not a bad thing.

A good to way to start the climb up is by having a good draft.

I have a weird feeling they don’t want to win, at least not this season. What they do (or don’t do) in free agency will tell us a lot about how they want this season to go. Why they would purposely tank the season I have no idea. They are clearly not trying to win though.

They want to win. Jerry wants to prove everyone wrong. That's clear.

They just don't want to spend the money. That's why they let McCarthy walk. Because they didn't want to commit to him financially long-term. So, they went with a cheaper option.

I doubt this. Coaches do not count against the salary cap. I doubt that they care too much about money in this area.

I bet it was more about time length. They simply didn't want to lock up MM for another 5 years.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#151 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:16 pm

The biggest change needs to be on defense. And we did the right thing replacing Zimmer (CHECK) and now what is left after that is hitting hard with an elite defender in the draft. I we drafted another Parsons level defender that could potentially have instant impact. I know that is a low-odds scenario, but it needs to happen.

Everyone is so hyper-focused on the Jones, but one of the things that has really hampered us is our recent drafting. Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton have set the team back. We have two duds out there and if those two weren't duds? we'd be looking at a different team.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#152 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:29 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Everyone is so hyper-focused on the Jones, but one of the things that has really hampered us is our recent drafting. Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton have set the team back. We have two duds out there and if those two weren't duds? we'd be looking at a different team.

It turns out, I'm a decent scout. Because I never would've taken those two in the first place.

Maybe Jerry should hire me as an advisor. I'm willing to take less than Will McClay. :wink:

Also, Fwiw this draft is widely viewed as one with not a ton of blue chip studs at the top of the draft. There are reports that teams have less than 10 guys with first round caliber grades on draft boards. In other words, this is not the year to have a top 10-12 pick.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#153 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:44 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:The biggest change needs to be on defense. And we did the right thing replacing Zimmer (CHECK) and now what is left after that is hitting hard with an elite defender in the draft. I we drafted another Parsons level defender that could potentially have instant impact. I know that is a low-odds scenario, but it needs to happen.

Everyone is so hyper-focused on the Jones, but one of the things that has really hampered us is our recent drafting. Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton have set the team back. We have two duds out there and if those two weren't duds? we'd be looking at a different team.

Guyton still has a chance to be a legit starter.

Mazi is a bust.

The Cowboys must be able to stop the run.
That's the biggest issue.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#154 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:45 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:
Mr B wrote:I have a weird feeling they don’t want to win, at least not this season. What they do (or don’t do) in free agency will tell us a lot about how they want this season to go. Why they would purposely tank the season I have no idea. They are clearly not trying to win though.

They want to win. Jerry wants to prove everyone wrong. That's clear.

They just don't want to spend the money. That's why they let McCarthy walk. Because they didn't want to commit to him financially long-term. So, they went with a cheaper option.

I doubt this. Coaches do not count against the salary cap. I doubt that they care too much about money in this area.

I bet it was more about time length. They simply didn't want to lock up MM for another 5 years.

The Cowboys absolutely care about money when it comes to paying coaches. Even though it has no impact on the salary cap the Jones’ are always near the bottom of the league when it comes to how much they pay their coaches. Jerry doesn’t respect the position, he’s not going to pay them top dollar.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#155 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:47 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:Everyone is so hyper-focused on the Jones, but one of the things that has really hampered us is our recent drafting. Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton have set the team back. We have two duds out there and if those two weren't duds? we'd be looking at a different team.

It turns out, I'm a decent scout. Because I never would've taken those two in the first place.

Maybe Jerry should hire me as an advisor. I'm willing to take less than Will McClay. :wink:

Also, Fwiw this draft is widely viewed as one with not a ton of blue chip studs at the top of the draft. There are reports that teams have less than 10 guys with first round caliber grades on draft boards. In other words, this is not the year to have a top 10-12 pick.

Was it you that posted that there are only 3 “blue chip” players in this draft, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, and Ashton Jeanty? That sounds about right.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#156 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:53 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:The biggest change needs to be on defense. And we did the right thing replacing Zimmer (CHECK) and now what is left after that is hitting hard with an elite defender in the draft. I we drafted another Parsons level defender that could potentially have instant impact. I know that is a low-odds scenario, but it needs to happen.

Everyone is so hyper-focused on the Jones, but one of the things that has really hampered us is our recent drafting. Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton have set the team back. We have two duds out there and if those two weren't duds? we'd be looking at a different team.

I agree that there is still time for Tyler Guyton. Although he does have a reputation of not being a hard worker, and he just plays off his talent instead of getting better at his technique. If he can shake that label he still has a chance, although I think his best position will be at RT. This is what I’m hopping for from Schotty, that he recognizes that Tyler Smith is the best LT on the team, that’s where he should be starting. If Banks or Campbell fall to them at 12 I would not be upset with picking either one of them to play LG (even at 12).

If the starting OL next year are:

LT - Smith
LG - Campbell/Banks
C. - Beebe
RG - Hoffman
LT - Guyton

I would not be upset at all with that starting 5. Then draft one of the Ohio St RB’s in the 2nd-3rd round.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#157 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Jan 29, 2025 4:09 pm

Mr B wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:The biggest change needs to be on defense. And we did the right thing replacing Zimmer (CHECK) and now what is left after that is hitting hard with an elite defender in the draft. I we drafted another Parsons level defender that could potentially have instant impact. I know that is a low-odds scenario, but it needs to happen.

Everyone is so hyper-focused on the Jones, but one of the things that has really hampered us is our recent drafting. Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton have set the team back. We have two duds out there and if those two weren't duds? we'd be looking at a different team.

I agree that there is still time for Tyler Guyton. Although he does have a reputation of not being a hard worker, and he just plays off his talent instead of getting better at his technique. If he can shake that label he still has a chance, although I think his best position will be at RT. This is what I’m hopping for from Schotty, that he recognizes that Tyler Smith is the best LT on the team, that’s where he should be starting. If Banks or Campbell fall to them at 12 I would not be upset with picking either one of them to play LG (even at 12).

If the starting OL next year are:

LT - Smith
LG - Campbell/Banks
C. - Beebe
RG - Hoffman
LT - Guyton

I would not be upset at all with that starting 5. Then draft one of the Ohio St RB’s in the 2nd-3rd round.

Yes, Tyler Smith needs to be at LT and Guyton at RT! Seems so obvious.

Smith is our best lineman by a longshot now. He needs to be going up against the best edge guys in the NFL (LT)
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#158 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 29, 2025 4:36 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Also, Fwiw this draft is widely viewed as one with not a ton of blue chip studs at the top of the draft. There are reports that teams have less than 10 guys with first round caliber grades on draft boards. In other words, this is not the year to have a top 10-12 pick.


That’s OK. After a couple of Top Ten teams in the draft take overrated QB’s that have no business being drafted in the top ten picks, the Cowboys will be sitting there waiting for Jeanty to drop right into their laps.







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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#159 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Jan 29, 2025 4:55 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Also, Fwiw this draft is widely viewed as one with not a ton of blue chip studs at the top of the draft. There are reports that teams have less than 10 guys with first round caliber grades on draft boards. In other words, this is not the year to have a top 10-12 pick.


That’s OK. After a couple of Top Ten teams in the draft take overrated QB’s that have no business being drafted in the top ten picks, the Cowboys will be sitting there waiting for Jeanty to drop right into their laps.







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Honestly, I would be a little surprised if he didn't get taken within the first 10 picks. But I could see him ending up in Dallas.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#160 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Jan 29, 2025 5:27 pm

Yeah I am good with Jeanty. He could be a game changer and we are seeing this season just how valuable elite RBs can actually be.

He is probably the only non-defender I would want. I'll be really upset if we took a WR in the first. I'm scared they might consider that TE Warren when I love Ferguson.

I'd be good if they took one of the CBs. Probably Will Johnson won't be there but Barron will be.

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