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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#341 » by R-DAWG » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:26 pm

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Don’t know Stewarts game but I see he is a 6’8” center, 250lbs.
10lbs more than Mitch (was) so I guess he can body big guys like Mitch does?
Mitch much lighter now, so I wonder how that will affect his physical game.

If you move Dadiet, then I’d try hard for Kessler. You can get a first for Dadiet but not sitting on the bench.
He actually looked quite good when he got time. Played under control and within the system… those Euro’s.


You’re not getting a 1st for Dadiet. Call a spade a spade, Dadiet was only a 1st rd pick because he was willing to sign a below slot contact and the Knicks couldn’t dump the pick for a package of 2nds.

In general, once a player is drafted he’s worth less than his draft slot unless his on court performance says otherwise.

I liked what I saw out of Pacome in preseason. He has good size to play both forward spots, solid athleticism and his defense was better than advertised. If he can turn into an average 3 point shooter he has a role off the bench in the league, even if it’s 2 years away. And 6-8 3 and D guys are not a dime a dozen.

But until he performs on court, at least in the g-league, there isn’t a ton of value there

The discount was just the buyout fee removed.

The Knicks signed first-round draft pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of a standard first-round contract on Thursday after paying $850,000 to Ratiopharm Ulm, Dadiet’s German club, as part of a buyout, per SNY’s Ian Begley.

The deal saves New York roughly $900,000 under the 2024-25 hard cap because the buyout paid overseas doesn’t count towards the team’s salary.

Dadiet is not taking a discount and the contract amount is standard for a first-rounder taken in his spot, however the 25th overall pick is taking 80 percent because of what the Knicks are paying on his buyout.


https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-sign-pacome-dadiet-80-percent-standard-contract

Many saw him as a first round pick.We could have just moved back if we wanted to save money or draft someone overseas and stash them. (Which many thought of Pacom.) So clearly, we like his talent.

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The reason the Knicks selected Dadiet over a player like Ryan Dunn who could have contributed right away is tied to being able to have a lower cap number for Pacome

Players who are drafted in the late 1st rd and don't crack the rotation never retain a 1st rd pick value in the trade market.

Maybe another team would have taken Pacome in the first, who knows. What I do know is he does not have the value of a 1st rd pick.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#342 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:35 pm

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ScienceOfLosing wrote:
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You’re not getting a 1st for Dadiet. Call a spade a spade, Dadiet was only a 1st rd pick because he was willing to sign a below slot contact and the Knicks couldn’t dump the pick for a package of 2nds.

In general, once a player is drafted he’s worth less than his draft slot unless his on court performance says otherwise.

I liked what I saw out of Pacome in preseason. He has good size to play both forward spots, solid athleticism and his defense was better than advertised. If he can turn into an average 3 point shooter he has a role off the bench in the league, even if it’s 2 years away. And 6-8 3 and D guys are not a dime a dozen.

But until he performs on court, at least in the g-league, there isn’t a ton of value there

The discount was just the buyout fee removed.

The Knicks signed first-round draft pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of a standard first-round contract on Thursday after paying $850,000 to Ratiopharm Ulm, Dadiet’s German club, as part of a buyout, per SNY’s Ian Begley.

The deal saves New York roughly $900,000 under the 2024-25 hard cap because the buyout paid overseas doesn’t count towards the team’s salary.

Dadiet is not taking a discount and the contract amount is standard for a first-rounder taken in his spot, however the 25th overall pick is taking 80 percent because of what the Knicks are paying on his buyout.


https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-sign-pacome-dadiet-80-percent-standard-contract

Many saw him as a first round pick.We could have just moved back if we wanted to save money or draft someone overseas and stash them. (Which many thought of Pacom.) So clearly, we like his talent.

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The reason the Knicks selected Dadiet over a player like Ryan Dunn who could have contributed right away is tied to being able to have a lower cap number for Pacome

Players who are drafted in the late 1st rd and don't crack the rotation never retain a 1st rd pick value in the trade market.

Maybe another team would have taken Pacome in the first, who knows. What I do know is he does not have the value of a 1st rd pick.




I think they just liked him as a prospect, honestly if it were about the salary hit, they could have just traded the pick and kept Mitchell or drafted Wells in the 2nd. They both make less than Pacome.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#343 » by Thepaintismine » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:39 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
ScienceOfLosing wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
You’re not getting a 1st for Dadiet. Call a spade a spade, Dadiet was only a 1st rd pick because he was willing to sign a below slot contact and the Knicks couldn’t dump the pick for a package of 2nds.

In general, once a player is drafted he’s worth less than his draft slot unless his on court performance says otherwise.

I liked what I saw out of Pacome in preseason. He has good size to play both forward spots, solid athleticism and his defense was better than advertised. If he can turn into an average 3 point shooter he has a role off the bench in the league, even if it’s 2 years away. And 6-8 3 and D guys are not a dime a dozen.

But until he performs on court, at least in the g-league, there isn’t a ton of value there

The discount was just the buyout fee removed.

The Knicks signed first-round draft pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of a standard first-round contract on Thursday after paying $850,000 to Ratiopharm Ulm, Dadiet’s German club, as part of a buyout, per SNY’s Ian Begley.

The deal saves New York roughly $900,000 under the 2024-25 hard cap because the buyout paid overseas doesn’t count towards the team’s salary.

Dadiet is not taking a discount and the contract amount is standard for a first-rounder taken in his spot, however the 25th overall pick is taking 80 percent because of what the Knicks are paying on his buyout.


https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-sign-pacome-dadiet-80-percent-standard-contract

Many saw him as a first round pick.We could have just moved back if we wanted to save money or draft someone overseas and stash them. (Which many thought of Pacom.) So clearly, we like his talent.

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The reason the Knicks selected Dadiet over a player like Ryan Dunn who could have contributed right away is tied to being able to have a lower cap number for Pacome

Players who are drafted in the late 1st rd and don't crack the rotation never retain a 1st rd pick value in the trade market.

Maybe another team would have taken Pacome in the first, who knows. What I do know is he does not have the value of a 1st rd pick.


But I will take the opinion of sports experts over you. I don’t mean to be sarcastic either.
We all have an opinion (and sure there are ulterior motives) but these people have connections (quite often) to FO’s.
Not to mention it makes a whole lot of sense what they are saying. We are not picking an inferior talent without moving back, just to save money.

If we wanted to save money we could have moved the pick, especially as creative as our FO is.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#344 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:44 pm

I think the Knicks should fire their European scout
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Post#345 » by Spree2Houston » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:17 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:Honestly, the longer this drags on, the more I like Turner over Kessler. Both would be incredible though and really the best trades I could see us make. It is a long shot, but man this looks good:

Turner
Towns
OG/Hart
Bridges/Hart
Brunson




We can't afford Turner, he's going to get a new contract. If we traded for him it's a rental.


There's also very little chance the Pacers would trade him in conference, let alone to a rival.


Wouldn't we be able to acquire his full bird rights and match any competing offer? Unlike with Hartenstein where we were limited to what we could offer.
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Post#347 » by Ray Williams » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:29 pm

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Unless Mitch is truly cooked in terms of staying healthy...you are giving up too much defense in that trade. That deal would rely on Kessler becoming an absolute STUD rim protector in this offense. I mean its possible but the deal has some risk to it.

You’d instantly fall in love with Sexton, especially if you value what Hart does. I like McBride too, but you could look at it this way: he’s actually everything we really give up on that deal… and do you know how old Sexton is?


Sexton had an early reputation as a me-first stat stuffer no D player. Has that changed? :dontknow:

He gives me the impression of someone who thinks he’s better than he is.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#348 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:33 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Honestly, the longer this drags on, the more I like Turner over Kessler. Both would be incredible though and really the best trades I could see us make. It is a long shot, but man this looks good:

Turner
Towns
OG/Hart
Bridges/Hart
Brunson




We can't afford Turner, he's going to get a new contract. If we traded for him it's a rental.


There's also very little chance the Pacers would trade him in conference, let alone to a rival.


Wouldn't we be able to acquire his full bird rights and match any competing offer? Unlike with Hartenstein where we were limited to what we could offer.



The 2nd apron has changed things, that and the luxury tax makes the idea of having yet another guy on the roster making $30+ million per year not realistic, especially not since Bridges is due an extension as well.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#349 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:47 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:You’d instantly fall in love with Sexton, especially if you value what Hart does. I like McBride too, but you could look at it this way: he’s actually everything we really give up on that deal… and do you know how old Sexton is?


Sexton had an early reputation as a me-first stat stuffer no D player. Has that changed? :dontknow:

He gives me the impression of someone who thinks he’s better than he is.

Just like Towns before him, I think he’s better than most people say he is based on narrative.
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Post#350 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:12 pm

I keep going back to beef Stew here......

Guy has fallen deeper into their bench rotation as Pistons like other guys right now on their roster.

He matches up pretty well salary wise with Mitch with a cost savings of 18Million over life of contract.

The move for Mitch won't be for weaker defenders like Jonas.
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Post#351 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:16 pm

KnixinSix wrote:I keep going back to beef Stew here......

Guy has fallen deeper into their bench rotation as Pistons like other guys right now on their roster.

He matches up pretty well salary wise with Mitch with a cost savings of 18Million over life of contract.

The move for Mitch won't be for weaker defenders like Jonas.


I'd like that move but I think he'd cost both Mitch and Percious, no?

https://www.salaryswish.com/players/isaiah-stewart#:~:text=CURRENT%20CONTRACT&text=Isaiah%20Stewart%20signed%20a%203,a%20cap%20hit%20of%20%2415%2C000%2C000.

Maybe Mitch & Sims? I'm not going to look it up. Looks like 3 million difference
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Post#353 » by sol537 » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:13 pm

KnixinSix wrote:I keep going back to beef Stew here......

Guy has fallen deeper into their bench rotation as Pistons like other guys right now on their roster.

He matches up pretty well salary wise with Mitch with a cost savings of 18Million over life of contract.

The move for Mitch won't be for weaker defenders like Jonas.


Mitch plus WAS 1st may be enough but I’m worried that Stew is a hot head and could mess with the vibes.
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Post#354 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:20 pm

sol537 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:I keep going back to beef Stew here......

Guy has fallen deeper into their bench rotation as Pistons like other guys right now on their roster.

He matches up pretty well salary wise with Mitch with a cost savings of 18Million over life of contract.

The move for Mitch won't be for weaker defenders like Jonas.


Mitch plus WAS 1st may be enough but I’m worried that Stew is a hot head and could mess with the vibes.


How bad is his hot headedness?
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Post#355 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:21 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:I keep going back to beef Stew here......

Guy has fallen deeper into their bench rotation as Pistons like other guys right now on their roster.

He matches up pretty well salary wise with Mitch with a cost savings of 18Million over life of contract.

The move for Mitch won't be for weaker defenders like Jonas.


I'd like that move but I think he'd cost both Mitch and Percious, no?

https://www.salaryswish.com/players/isaiah-stewart#:~:text=CURRENT%20CONTRACT&text=Isaiah%20Stewart%20signed%20a%203,a%20cap%20hit%20of%20%2415%2C000%2C000.

Maybe Mitch & Sims? I'm not going to look it up. Looks like 3 million difference


14.3 for Mitch, 15M for Stew.

They be very close in Salary with Stew @15 for next 3 years vs Mitch contract ending end of next season.
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Post#356 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:28 pm

https://www.tiktok.com/@thefinal_official/video/7465530829897207086

Ohhhh dont know if this makes him more valuable or less valuable for our team....he looks like a dude nobody wants to mess with. Kind of a Draymond in his heyday (with less offense).

Very impressed with the restraint he showed with the referee in this video :nod: :lol:

Tie Domi like playoff enforcer?
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Post#357 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:57 pm

https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/sports/nba-trade-deadline-knicks-interested-in-raptors-chris-boucher/

Boucher is the guy that really seems to be picking up steam.

One of Mitch or Achiuwa would most definitely have to be part of the deal.

Connecting dots here......

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-could-pursue-young-raptors-forward-in-a-deadline-trade/

Mitch (14.3) + Kolek (2.1)+ 2030 1st swap for Boucher (10.8)+ Ogbaji (4.3)
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Post#358 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:11 pm

KnixinSix wrote:https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/sports/nba-trade-deadline-knicks-interested-in-raptors-chris-boucher/

Boucher is the guy that really seems to be picking up steam.

One of Mitch or Achiuwa would most definitely have to be part of the deal.


Connection with OG
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Boucher
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Boucher seems to have that positional switchability Knicks have been going for
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Post#359 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:29 am

Knicks trade Mitch yet?
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Post#360 » by Chislic » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:57 am

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