Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances

[Sign5]

Rough time to be a MIA fan.

Lol this is the best news heat fans can get. Rozier off the team would be addition by subtraction. Legit woeful player.

[JRoy]

Rough time to be a MIA fan.

Lol this is the best news heat fans can get. Rozier off the team would be addition by subtraction. Legit woeful player.

Assuming that happens. It might become a distraction on top of the JB fiasco.

[Infinite Llamas]

I mean. I’m willing to give Rozier the benefit of the doubt here. Dude is a born competitor who came from nothing and built himself into well paid, rotational player. I can’t imagine him sabotaging his career for a quick payday but maybe I’m wrong. Just doesn’t seem the type to piss it all away after all the hard work he did to get himself to this point. Hope I’m not wrong here.

[stillgotgame]

hEaT cUlTuRe

This happened while he was still with Charlotte.

Yep, but the Heat traded for him. Why? Salary dump to cut luxury tax, plain and simple. They couldn’t care who they traded for. Saved $15.4M

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39369373/sources-heat-acquire-hornets-terry-rozier-kyle-lowry-pick

And saving money on taxes is the real Heat culture. Their owner built a fortune by avoiding income tax. No one in the world does it better.

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2011/04/articles/taxes/is-carnivals-mickey-arison-a-greedy-corporate-pig/


Watch for the Heat to cut tax when they dump Jimmy.

[Clav]

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[Mr Puddles]

What are you expecting? I'm willing to bet our 1st round picks are safe.

The Mavericks got away with a 750,000 dollar fine for doing essentially what Terry Rozier is accused of, throwing a game, so there's precedent for this. The punishment should be minimal here.

They rested guys to secure a lottery pick.

Throwing a game or feigning injury/purposely playing bad to ensure a bet goes a certain way is a COMPLETELY different story, when you mess with $$$ you put yourself in deep trouble. Jontay Porter was hit with a federal felony.

If this isn't a misunderstanding then Rozer is really, really dumb.

Are you serious? There is a difference between resting veteran players because your season is over, and you want to give the young players on your team a shot, and deliberately trying to lose a game.

When you have a coach actively pulling players from the game because they're playing too well, and your owner is on the side line celebrating a loss - I think we can safely talk about "throwing a game"

Hell, the NBA even included in its statement following the fine that the reasoning was that the mavericks were actively trying to lose the game.

I don't see how one can claim that what Rozier is doing is ruining the integrity of the game and then just shrug off the Mavericks deliberately trying to lose a game.

[MrBigShot]

The Mavericks got away with a 750,000 dollar fine for doing essentially what Terry Rozier is accused of, throwing a game, so there's precedent for this. The punishment should be minimal here.

They rested guys to secure a lottery pick.

Throwing a game or feigning injury/purposely playing bad to ensure a bet goes a certain way is a COMPLETELY different story, when you mess with $$$ you put yourself in deep trouble. Jontay Porter was hit with a federal felony.

If this isn't a misunderstanding then Rozer is really, really dumb.

Are you serious? There is a difference between resting veteran players because your season is over and you want to give the young players on your team a shot and deliberately trying to lose a game.

When you have a coach actively pulling players from the game because they're playing too well, and your owner is on the side line celebrating a loss - think we can safely talk about "throwing a game"

Hell, the NBA even included in its statement following the fine that the reasoning was that the mavericks wer actively trying to lose the game.

I don't see how one can claim that what Rozier is doing is ruining the integrity of the game and then just shrug off the Mavericks deliberately trying to lose a game.

I'm not differentiating the two in terms of integrity of the game, i'm talking about potential consequences. One will get you fined by the league, the other will potentially get you federal charges & a prison sentence.

[Mr Puddles]

They rested guys to secure a lottery pick.

Throwing a game or feigning injury/purposely playing bad to ensure a bet goes a certain way is a COMPLETELY different story, when you mess with $$$ you put yourself in deep trouble. Jontay Porter was hit with a federal felony.

If this isn't a misunderstanding then Rozer is really, really dumb.

Are you serious? There is a difference between resting veteran players because your season is over and you want to give the young players on your team a shot and deliberately trying to lose a game.

When you have a coach actively pulling players from the game because they're playing too well, and your owner is on the side line celebrating a loss - think we can safely talk about "throwing a game"

Hell, the NBA even included in its statement following the fine that the reasoning was that the mavericks wer actively trying to lose the game.

I don't see how one can claim that what Rozier is doing is ruining the integrity of the game and then just shrug off the Mavericks deliberately trying to lose a game.

I'm not differentiating the two in terms of integrity of the game, i'm talking about potential consequences. One will get you fined by the league, the other will potentially get you federal charges & a prison sentence.

OK, then we're not in disagreement. I was only referring to the penalty issued by the league, not other legal consequences Rozier might be facing.

[Slot Machine]

hEaT cUlTuRe

This happened while he was still with Charlotte.

Yep, but the Heat traded for him. Why? Salary dump to cut luxury tax, plain and simple. They couldn’t care who they traded for. Saved $15.4M

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39369373/sources-heat-acquire-hornets-terry-rozier-kyle-lowry-pick

And saving money on taxes is the real Heat culture. Their owner built a fortune by avoiding income tax. No one in the world does it better.

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2011/04/articles/taxes/is-carnivals-mickey-arison-a-greedy-corporate-pig/


Watch for the Heat to cut tax when they dump Jimmy.

Do you feel better now that you have that off your chest?

[Sofia]

Oh wow. This makes sense to do when you're making 20+ million a year...

How large bets could he have been making without raising a lot of red flags?

A few thousand here or there is nothing to him and may not be noticed. Well spending money, something to carry in his pocket.

So was it greed?

Maybe he felt like a fraud, like undeserving of his NBA salary so he thought he'd make some real money.

Random accounts betting hundreds of dollars on the unders for player props would immediately put up red flags in the system, let alone betting thousands.

Yes there are big fish accounts that will make bets of thousand of dollars, but if a small fish that usually bets $10 or $20 here or there is suddenly lobbing big money, the algorithms are all over that.

Likewise, betting companies know the average number of bets that Terry freaking Rozier props receive on a nightly basis. A sudden increase in smaller bets would also raise flags.

These dummies need to realise they can’t outsmart the algorithm, unless it’s for a few bucks here and there. They chase thousands and they will get caught.

[BlueHeat]

This happened while he was still with Charlotte.

Yep, but the Heat traded for him. Why? Salary dump to cut luxury tax, plain and simple. They couldn’t care who they traded for. Saved $15.4M

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39369373/sources-heat-acquire-hornets-terry-rozier-kyle-lowry-pick

And saving money on taxes is the real Heat culture. Their owner built a fortune by avoiding income tax. No one in the world does it better.

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2011/04/articles/taxes/is-carnivals-mickey-arison-a-greedy-corporate-pig/


Watch for the Heat to cut tax when they dump Jimmy.

Do you feel better now that you have that off your chest?

I know, what a weird thing to say. "Oh man the Heat's owner tried to save money... boo hoo wah wah"

[wco81]

I mean. I’m willing to give Rozier the benefit of the doubt here. Dude is a born competitor who came from nothing and built himself into well paid, rotational player. I can’t imagine him sabotaging his career for a quick payday but maybe I’m wrong. Just doesn’t seem the type to piss it all away after all the hard work he did to get himself to this point. Hope I’m not wrong here.

Jontay Porter got himself banned last year and he didn't have nearly as much at stake, since he wasn't earning the kind of money Rozier is making.

So maybe he didn't hear about Porter?

Or he think's he's a big star so they wouldn't ban him?

Or some NBA players are bored, for all the millions they make, they need some excitement?

Maybe the NBA and the NBAPA should explicitly tell players, get caught gambling and trying to fix bets by playing badly, and they WILL get banned.

As if the obvious needed to be made more explicit.

[DusterBuster]

Rough time to be a MIA fan.

Lol this is the best news heat fans can get. Rozier off the team would be addition by subtraction. Legit woeful player.

Assuming that happens. It might become a distraction on top of the JB fiasco.

Remember that time Heat fans were stoked because Rozier was apparently "80% of Lillard".... absolutely dead....

[basketballRob]

If he's guilty, he'll be banned from the NBA forever.

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[Tim_Hardawayy]

Lol this is the best news heat fans can get. Rozier off the team would be addition by subtraction. Legit woeful player.

Assuming that happens. It might become a distraction on top of the JB fiasco.

Remember that time Heat fans were stoked because Rozier was apparently "80% of Lillard".... absolutely dead....

We all make mistakes. Remember when Herro was a negative contract and unnecessary because of Simons and Scoot?

(note I do not care about this "rivalry", seems to be just a realgm and twitter thing, I was against Dame's bs at the time even though it almost benefited the Heat so my position is consistent at least)

[JRoy]

Assuming that happens. It might become a distraction on top of the JB fiasco.

Remember that time Heat fans were stoked because Rozier was apparently "80% of Lillard".... absolutely dead....

We all make mistakes. Remember when Herro was a negative contract and unnecessary because of Simons and Scoot?

(note I do not care about this "rivalry", seems to be just a realgm and twitter thing, I was against Dame's bs at the time even though it almost benefited the Heat so my position is consistent at least)

Sharpe rather than Scoot and Simons but I get your point.

[DavidSterned]

This will be Silver's biggest legacy.

[magee]

Heat culture.

Happened in Charlotte. Read the articles.

[The Master]

Sorry if it was posted, but Kevin Love is on a generational run lately on Instagram, lol.

[DusterBuster]

Remember that time Heat fans were stoked because Rozier was apparently "80% of Lillard".... absolutely dead....

We all make mistakes. Remember when Herro was a negative contract and unnecessary because of Simons and Scoot?

(note I do not care about this "rivalry", seems to be just a realgm and twitter thing, I was against Dame's bs at the time even though it almost benefited the Heat so my position is consistent at least)

Sharpe rather than Scoot and Simons but I get your point.

I'm still totally fine skipping on Herro. He would have done nothing for the Blazers but keep them a treadmill team, just like he's gonna do for the Heat as their best player.

I'd rather be bad until I get a real star than be a play-in team for the next 5 years.