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Free Agent, (Trade), Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025

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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#501 » by Fierce1 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:35 am

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leper-con wrote:I'd try and use Springer to get Boucher form Toronto, we need another mobile big that can shot 3's.

It works on the trade checker, trade vet for youth, we may need more sweetener to get it done.

IDK. We've got Anton Watson on a Two-Way. 6'8"; 24 yrs old; currently shooting 30% from 3.

Boucher is 6,9. And shooting .376 on threes and a centre that plays good defence and has been in the wars

Springer for Boucher does not work.

I checked.

Boucher's salary is 10.8m.

Springer is only 4m.

Even Horford's contract won't match Boucher's 10.8m.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#502 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:41 am

Fierce1 wrote:
leper-con wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:IDK. We've got Anton Watson on a Two-Way. 6'8"; 24 yrs old; currently shooting 30% from 3.

Boucher is 6,9. And shooting .376 on threes and a centre that plays good defence and has been in the wars

Springer for Boucher does not work.

I checked.

Boucher's salary is 10.8m.

Springer is only 4m.

Even Horford's contract won't match Boucher's 10.8m.

As well, Boucher just turned 32. His Career 3pt% is more like 34%.
At the same time, Springer is only 22.

I don't see us Trading for him?
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#503 » by Fierce1 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:45 am

Parliament10 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
leper-con wrote:Boucher is 6,9. And shooting .376 on threes and a centre that plays good defence and has been in the wars

Springer for Boucher does not work.

I checked.

Boucher's salary is 10.8m.

Springer is only 4m.

Even Horford's contract won't match Boucher's 10.8m.

As well, Boucher just turned 32. His Career 3pt% is more like 34%.
At the same time, Springer is only 22.

I don't see us Trading for him?

What the Celtics need now is someone that can attack the rim, like Lonnie.
But Lonnie's defense is not really that great.

Sam Hauser is part of the long term plans and should not be traded.
But right now Sam and PP with the 2nd unit is just lacking that ability to get to the rim or finish strong on fast breaks.

Al and PP will get the 6th and 7th spot in the playoff rotation.
We just need an 8th man who's an upgrade over Hauser.

Sam can be the 9th man and focus more on being a specialist.
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Post#504 » by djFan71 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:58 am

leper-con wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:
leper-con wrote:I'd try and use Springer to get Boucher form Toronto, we need another mobile big that can shot 3's.

It works on the trade checker, trade vet for youth, we may need more sweetener to get it done.

IDK. We've got Anton Watson on a Two-Way. 6'8"; 24 yrs old; currently shooting 30% from 3.

Boucher is 6,9. And shooting .376 on threes and a centre that plays good defence and has been in the wars

He also makes too much money for us to trade for - $10.6M.
Would have to use White or higher salary-wise (or get under the aprons somehow)
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Post#505 » by djFan71 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:36 am

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Parliament10 wrote:I don't think that we Trade anyone.

Springer has quickly proven to be a Defensive Guru.
Tillman, seems to still be recovering from off-season surgery.

I'm not sure what scenario would arise, that would cause Brad Stevens to pull the trigger, so to speak?
I'm in the Stand Pat group.

The odds are heavily favored to the Celtics doing nothing. I still think they end up doing a small move. We all will see soon.

Wouldn't shock me if Walsh or Scheierman is packing their bags soon..

Brad is usually pretty stealth and does moves that people weren't expecting..

I've been wondering that myself with Walsh/Baylor.
Walsh is partial $200k guarantee for next year. And if kept is one of the cheapest 14th man you can get cap/tax wise.
Baylor fully guaranteed next year and more $. Then team option on the 3rd.

So, no need to straight dump them at the deadline - you can keep them or deal with them over the summer. However, if throwing them in now greases another move (even if just by opening the roster spot), I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Brad do it.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#506 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:35 am

The player who needs to be traded for financial and other reasons is Brown. He will also fetch a good return. Anyone you get for Springer, Tillman or even Hauser is just another bench piece that barely alters the dynamic of the team. These minor trades are worthless unless Stevens thinks he has identified a diamond in the rough on some other team, as he did with Derrick White-- a deal which caused pages and pages of discussion because giving that pick swap was such an overpay.
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Post#507 » by djFan71 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:01 am

Curmudgeon wrote:The player who needs to be traded for financial and other reasons is Brown. He will also fetch a good return. Anyone you get for Springer, Tillman or even Hauser is just another bench piece that barely alters the dynamic of the team. These minor trades are worthless unless Stevens thinks he has identified a diamond in the rough on some other team, as he did with Derrick White-- a deal which caused pages and pages of discussion because giving that pick swap was such an overpay.

Clearly a summer / new owner timeframe for that.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#508 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:14 am

I think you get rid of Holiday before you ever move Jaylen, but I have no problem trading the both of them...

This has likely been mentioned already, but HoopsHype says the Celtics are interested in Yabs.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#509 » by hugepatsfan » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:34 pm

Tillman for Yabu and Springer for Coffey would be two welcome additions, IMO. Add a bunch of 2nds.

Would be cool to re-sign either guy in the offseason too.

White / Pritchard
Holiday / Coffey
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Yabu
Porzingis / Horford

is a great depth chart this year, and if you re-signed Coffey/Yabu and Horford came back for the minimum for 1 more year you could run it back.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#510 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:19 pm

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Post#511 » by 165bows » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:10 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:More rumors

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He forgot the line in there about Theis to Boston :wink:
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Post#512 » by 165bows » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:22 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Tillman for Yabu and Springer for Coffey would be two welcome additions, IMO. Add a bunch of 2nds.

Would be cool to re-sign either guy in the offseason too.

White / Pritchard
Holiday / Coffey
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Yabu
Porzingis / Horford

is a great depth chart this year, and if you re-signed Coffey/Yabu and Horford came back for the minimum for 1 more year you could run it back.

That's prob the ideal kind of outcome really.

It would take (imo) more than seconds to make it work and I'd prob be willing to pay that to load up for this year. Next year even tougher to keep them but hey when you got a shot at the whole thing have to take the best shot you can.
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Post#513 » by 165bows » Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:06 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Tillman for Yabu and Springer for Coffey would be two welcome additions, IMO. Add a bunch of 2nds.

Would be cool to re-sign either guy in the offseason too.

White / Pritchard
Holiday / Coffey
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Yabu
Porzingis / Horford

is a great depth chart this year, and if you re-signed Coffey/Yabu and Horford came back for the minimum for 1 more year you could run it back.

Plus a 1 year (or 1+1 or whatever) year deal for Al would pay $3.3M and only count $2M and change against the tax which is a nice bonus for both parties.
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Post#515 » by djFan71 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:26 pm

165bows wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:Tillman for Yabu and Springer for Coffey would be two welcome additions, IMO. Add a bunch of 2nds.

Would be cool to re-sign either guy in the offseason too.

White / Pritchard
Holiday / Coffey
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Yabu
Porzingis / Horford

is a great depth chart this year, and if you re-signed Coffey/Yabu and Horford came back for the minimum for 1 more year you could run it back.

Plus a 1 year (or 1+1 or whatever) year deal for Al would pay $3.3M and only count $2M and change against the tax which is a nice bonus for both parties.

Super unlikely, but Hauser could go out instead of X and some of the 2nds to get ahead of the extension $ and add value if you're getting this kind of return. Joe's not going 10 deep in the regular season, much less the playoffs.

EDIT: fanspo fails with Hauser/Yabs but works with X. Tiniest difference in their salary. Would need to be slightly more complicated and I'm not gonna bother to figure it out since it ain't happening. :)
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#516 » by Hal14 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:35 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Tillman for Yabu and Springer for Coffey would be two welcome additions, IMO. Add a bunch of 2nds.

Would be cool to re-sign either guy in the offseason too.

White / Pritchard
Holiday / Coffey
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Yabu
Porzingis / Horford

is a great depth chart this year, and if you re-signed Coffey/Yabu and Horford came back for the minimum for 1 more year you could run it back.

Clippers wouldn't do that..they're trying to win.

Also, while Tillman for Yabusele likely makes us better this season, Tillman has more years on his contract while Yabusele is a FA this summer so not sure Brad would do that either..

The past couple of trade deadlines, the guys we traded (Justin Jackson, Lamar Stevens, banton) were all on expiring contracts..
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Post#517 » by redslastlaugh » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:38 pm

Hauser is “poison pill” because of his extension. He cap figure going out counts as an average of his future years salary, not his this years salary. So harder to trade because he makes $2 million this year but counts as $9 under CBA trade math.
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hugepatsfan wrote:Tillman for Yabu and Springer for Coffey would be two welcome additions, IMO. Add a bunch of 2nds.

Would be cool to re-sign either guy in the offseason too.

White / Pritchard
Holiday / Coffey
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Yabu
Porzingis / Horford

is a great depth chart this year, and if you re-signed Coffey/Yabu and Horford came back for the minimum for 1 more year you could run it back.

Plus a 1 year (or 1+1 or whatever) year deal for Al would pay $3.3M and only count $2M and change against the tax which is a nice bonus for both parties.

Super unlikely, but Hauser could go out instead of X and some of the 2nds to get ahead of the extension $ and add value if you're getting this kind of return. Joe's not going 10 deep in the regular season, much less the playoffs.

EDIT: fanspo fails with Hauser/Yabs but works with X. Tiniest difference in their salary. Would need to be slightly more complicated and I'm not gonna bother to figure it out since it ain't happening. :)
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Post#518 » by djFan71 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:39 pm

I lied. I tried. This works money wise:

BOS: Yabs, Coffey
PHI: Bones Hyland
LAC: Hauser, Reggie Jackson, Springer

You can argue that improves LAC for their playoffs. Sprinkle with 2nds as needed.
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Post#519 » by Hal14 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:44 pm

Fierce1 wrote:What the Celtics need now is someone that can attack the rim, like Lonnie.
But Lonnie's defense is not really that great.

Sam Hauser is part of the long term plans and should not be traded.
But right now Sam and PP with the 2nd unit is just lacking that ability to get to the rim or finish strong on fast breaks.

Al and PP will get the 6th and 7th spot in the playoff rotation.
We just need an 8th man who's an upgrade over Hauser.

Sam can be the 9th man and focus more on being a specialist.

We're not trading for anyone who would leapfrog over Hauser in the rotation.

Hauser was our 7th/8th man when we just won the title. Then we gave him a sizable long term extension. He's locked into a top 8 rotation spot.

If we signed Walker, he'd be an end of bench guy..would certainly not leap frog over Hauser in the rotation. And if he's not gonna play that much, he would likely stay in Europe instead of signing here.

Plus, if he's not getting consistent mins, a player like Walker isn't very valuable since he's a streaky shooter who needs rhythm and needs consistent mins to be in rhythm. If he's getting inconsistent mins, he'll come in off the bench and sometimes he'll be hot but he'll often be cold and shoot us out of games, bringing nothing else to the table to compensate.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 – (Trade Deadline: Thu, Feb 6, 3:00 PM) 

Post#520 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:30 pm

Hoophype's Mike Scotto's proposed Celtics deal:

Celtics receive: Guerschon Yabusele

Sixers receive: Celtics 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick

Pistons receive: Xavier Tillman, 2025 second-round pick that's most favorable between Washington, Golden State, Detroit, or Dallas (from Boston)

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