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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#381 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Jan 31, 2025 7:52 pm

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Fo-Real wrote:Not that I'd ever suggest here but if Fox gets traded to the Spurs, they probably buy Chris Paul out. The Lakers are missing any semblance of a PG or backcourt leader I guess.



** Trade Nurkic/ 1st for Paul/ Champagnie/ Mamukelashvili/ 2nd.


I would love to have CP3 back. That would be worth it. Bring Tyus off the bench.

Spurs like international players so that would be a Spurs move to trade for Nurkic.

No just no. Paul is soooooo slow and always gets picked on. He is a liability now. He slows down the offense, it’s sad at this point. He’s only good for half court offense which we already have enough of.

I don’t want him starting on this team. If he’s cool coming off the bench for 15-20 minutes than cool. Otherwise, no thanks.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#383 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:16 pm

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** Trade Nurkic/ 1st for Paul/ Champagnie/ Mamukelashvili/ 2nd.


I would love to have CP3 back. That would be worth it. Bring Tyus off the bench.

Spurs like international players so that would be a Spurs move to trade for Nurkic.

No just no. Paul is soooooo slow and always gets picked on. He is a liability now. He slows down the offense, it’s sad at this point. He’s only good for half court offense which we already have enough of.

I don’t want him starting on this team. If he’s cool coming off the bench for 15-20 minutes than cool. Otherwise, no thanks.


He'd be an expiring who's already familiar with Booker and our team, He's still a historically good ball manager who'd definitively control our turnovers, He'd also return Booker back to his best and most natural position at SG, He'd also hold players accountable and bring leadership and change Bookers' mentality back to actually being competitive/ aggressive again. Sure he'd likely get targeted defensively, but then so will Jones, And our offensive scheme is unfortunately half-court oriented with or without Paul as Durant and Booker don't really like to run a "fastbreak offense anyways!

So if we're stuck in a halfcourt-oriented style of play anyways, then we might as well maximize it with one of the greatest passers/ floor generals in NBA history don't ya think man? I just don't see much inherent downside here in comparison to what we're already doing with Jones? Just his leadership, accountability, and basketball IQ make it a good swap. And the effect that he could have on this team that's soft, lacking leadership and direction would/could be a catalyst to helping turn this whole thing around! At least for this season. :dontknow:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#384 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:23 pm

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He has been benched by the Coach and a minimum salary midget has been guaranteed his starting position to play PG. His replacement really does not play a traditional PG role, which is what we wanted, right. This coach has managed to turn a 49 win team, that acquired better players in the off season, into a freaking mess. If I were Beal, I would be all over getting out of town, virtually wherever that might be. How can he be happy playing on this team?


Maybe he and his family just like the valley? I mean dude was on the Wizards for a decade so you can’t bully him with dysfunction…

The Suns accepted the trade knowing he controls everything. Blame the Suns.


The guy still plays a major role off the bench and finishes games. They asked him to come, he moved his family here. I don't understand it.

Plus some just make assumptions that he won't waive it to move. I know he won't waive it out of his contract entirely, but there has been no indication that he has been approached to waive it for a specific trade and declined to. As a matter of fact, they've said they haven't been. The Suns just haven't found a place.

But he plays in a great city, has a family, has a nice role on the team, probably likes most of his teammates, and is a pro. Why do people assume players want to get out of town? We don't even know if he's unhappy in his role. But even if you were unhappy at work, would you want to suddenly move your family out of town for another job in a worse city making the same money? Now maybe it would be a better city but you just moved to Phoenix 2 years ago and have your 6, 5 and 2 year olds in school in Phoenix now. Situated in a new city after living most of your career in Washington because he's not a guy to move around a lot.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#385 » by Saberestar » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:26 pm

Good to know that Gambo says that the New Orleans Pelicans have no interest in trading for Jimmy Butler.
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Post#386 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:27 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#387 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:28 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:He'd be an expiring who's already familiar with Booker and our team, He's still a historically good ball manager who'd definitively control our turnovers, He'd also return Booker back to his best and most natural position at SG, He'd also hold players accountable and bring leadership and change Bookers' mentality back to actually being competitive/ aggressive again. Sure he'd likely get targeted defensively, but then so will Jones, And our offensive scheme is unfortunately half-court oriented with or without Paul as Durant and Booker don't really like to run a "fastbreak offense anyways!

So if we're stuck in a halfcourt-oriented style of play anyways, then we might as well maximize it with one of the greatest passers/ floor generals in NBA history don't ya think man? I just don't see much inherent downside here in comparison to what we're already doing with Jones? Just his leadership, accountability, and basketball IQ make it a good swap. And the effect that he could have on this team that's soft, lacking leadership and direction would/could be a catalyst to helping turn this whole thing around! At least for this season. :dontknow:


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Post#388 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:29 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#389 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:30 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#390 » by TeamTragic » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:32 pm

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I think that info is outdated. No one has a firm offer for Butler besides the Suns.
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Post#391 » by TeamTragic » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:42 pm

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Post#392 » by BobbieL » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:46 pm

Saberestar wrote:Good to know that Gambo says that the New Orleans Pelicans have no interest in trading for Jimmy Butler.


That truly never made sense that Ingram for Butler. Now Ingram to Miami, Butler to Team B and Team C sends stuff to New Orleans makes sense.
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Post#393 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:52 pm

I wonder if Fox goes to SA if Paul would go to Sacramento. I'm guessing not. I'm guessing he will want to stay, but it would be interesting to see Paul and his intangible leadership on a team like the Kings.

Like I don't think Paul is a great player to start and be that clutch player to help you win games, but I think when he is new to a team, he has a positive intangible impact and can teach guys little things, and he could still be the floor general sometimes. But to play with guys like Sabonis, DeRozan, Murray, Monk plus whoever else would go to the Kings.

It could be like an OKC situation where Sac is more doing it as kind of a blow it up, retool move, but he makes them a little better down the stretch and gets them into the playoffs where they are a tough out in the first round.

We need that type of player but i think Book kind of tuned him out at the end and KD apparently is not a fan (probably through Harden since he got so tired of him) but also I guess Blake Griffin played with KD as well....and was also not a Paul fan.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#394 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:53 pm

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Saberestar wrote:Good to know that Gambo says that the New Orleans Pelicans have no interest in trading for Jimmy Butler.


That truly never made sense that Ingram for Butler. Now Ingram to Miami, Butler to Team B and Team C sends stuff to New Orleans makes sense.


I think there was probably a mix up. My guess is that there were multi team discussions including the Heat and Butler and the Pelicans and Ingram but not in a scenario where the Pelicans would end up with Butler but something else from another team.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#395 » by BobbieL » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:55 pm

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Post#396 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:56 pm

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I think that info is outdated. No one has a firm offer for Butler besides the Suns.


I've read in other places, I think Bobby Marks, that they had a standing offer of like Smart, Kennard and a pick for him and they wouldn't even mind giving that up and losing him since they want to clear cap space anyway to extend JJJ.

I think they'd just do it kind of like Toronto did for half a year of Kawhi...gave up DeRozan and a first for Kawhi. At first that seemed like peanuts for him but now looking at it for half a year that seems like quite a bit, but they got a championship out of it.

It would be great to see Butler in Memphis.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#397 » by BobbieL » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:10 pm

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I think that info is outdated. No one has a firm offer for Butler besides the Suns.


I've read in other places, I think Bobby Marks, that they had a standing offer of like Smart, Kennard and a pick for him and they wouldn't even mind giving that up and losing him since they want to clear cap space anyway to extend JJJ.

I think they'd just do it kind of like Toronto did for half a year of Kawhi...gave up DeRozan and a first for Kawhi. At first that seemed like peanuts for him but now looking at it for half a year that seems like quite a bit, but they got a championship out of it.

It would be great to see Butler in Memphis.


Now Butler to Memphis makes sense for a team wanting to win a title

I get he doesn’t want to go there. Which is odd as if you TRULY want to win a title, the Grizz are much closer to being there than Phoenix

So truly how much does Jimmy B want to win a title and how much does he just want to get one more contract for $110m?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#398 » by dremill24 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:17 pm

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I think that info is outdated. No one has a firm offer for Butler besides the Suns.


I've read in other places, I think Bobby Marks, that they had a standing offer of like Smart, Kennard and a pick for him and they wouldn't even mind giving that up and losing him since they want to clear cap space anyway to extend JJJ.

I think they'd just do it kind of like Toronto did for half a year of Kawhi...gave up DeRozan and a first for Kawhi. At first that seemed like peanuts for him but now looking at it for half a year that seems like quite a bit, but they got a championship out of it.

It would be great to see Butler in Memphis.


Now Butler to Memphis makes sense for a team wanting to win a title

I get he doesn’t want to go there. Which is odd as if you TRULY want to win a title, the Grizz are much closer to being there than Phoenix

So truly how much does Jimmy B want to win a title and how much does he just want to get one more contract for $110m?


I think the answer to that has been pretty clear from the get-go, no?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#399 » by Slim Charless » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:28 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Good to know that Gambo says that the New Orleans Pelicans have no interest in trading for Jimmy Butler.


That truly never made sense that Ingram for Butler. Now Ingram to Miami, Butler to Team B and Team C sends stuff to New Orleans makes sense.


Why would Gambo have connections with either the Pels or the Heat? He's just Ishbia's mouthpiece on this whole subject
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#400 » by Saberestar » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:29 pm

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I think that info is outdated. No one has a firm offer for Butler besides the Suns.


I've read in other places, I think Bobby Marks, that they had a standing offer of like Smart, Kennard and a pick for him and they wouldn't even mind giving that up and losing him since they want to clear cap space anyway to extend JJJ.

I think they'd just do it kind of like Toronto did for half a year of Kawhi...gave up DeRozan and a first for Kawhi. At first that seemed like peanuts for him but now looking at it for half a year that seems like quite a bit, but they got a championship out of it.

It would be great to see Butler in Memphis.


Now Butler to Memphis makes sense for a team wanting to win a title

I get he doesn’t want to go there. Which is odd as if you TRULY want to win a title, the Grizz are much closer to being there than Phoenix

So truly how much does Jimmy B want to win a title and how much does he just want to get one more contract for $110m?

He doesn’t want Memphis or staying in Miami...other than that he is OK going to any team (first option Suns) in the league.

If the Grizzlies are crazy enough to give up assets for him he would literally do NOTHING to help them on the court. I doubt they trade for him, they have to know that Jimmy isn't posturing about it.

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