Pickled Prunes wrote:puja21 wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:I wouldn't call Ingram "premier" and I didn't say NOP didn't want to trade him. I just said the offer had to be fairly decent. NOP will not take the best of all the "poo poo platters" as was suggested earlier in this thread. It will be a real offer or they'll let him walk... Even then, they will probably have the option to get something back in a S&T.
Players don't often get signed as a free agent because very few teams have cap space each year; for good teams it's almost never. With that in mind, I would consider a S&T to be a free agent acquisition. Sooo...
KD, twice
Lebron, twice
Kawhi
Shaq
Nash
Bosh
Horford
Aldridge
Do you count Kobe if he was a FA but re-signed with LAL?
And even though PG13 is old and injured, most GM's would rather have had him last summer than BI, who is also often injured and has played 12 fewer games than PG this season. Only in his rookie year did BI play more than 64 games. It's pretty bleak!
I think you’re misunderstanding my comment about top players
I was saying cap space (which NOP doesn’t even get by letting BI go) doesn’t give teams as much as in the last CBA bc top stars dont go UFA
You are misunderstanding me. The space/relief isn't because anyone would "chose" to go to NOP. (Highly unlikely!) The space/relief is valuable because 1) NOP is cheap and that is $36m they don't have to spend. 2) The further you are under the tax, the more flexible you are. If they are going to reset, they need to get their salary down asap. (This conversation began before the Murray injury, but it's even more true now.) Letting BI walk would put them about $72m under the 1st apron.... not that I would expect them to use it.
Can you imagine a team (if it were allowed) just paying $36m cash for a late 1st? That is what NOP would be doing if they took on players they didn't want beyond this season. The offer would have to be decent to be better than the space/relief.
Including Ingram's $38m, NOP will have $67m in cap holds and are projected to be $69m over the cap. That's pretty close. What will become of Zion? I doubt they waive him, but they could easily take back less money in a deal. Someone will want CJ as well.
The bottom line is, this isn't BOS, this is NOP. They are cheap and won't spend a dime more than they need to.
The comments about the Pels being cheap are true -- just not relevant to BI
Cap space is better than a late 1st and salary filler.
No, because they have to move off other guys still to have any cap space to rent
Can you imagine a team (if it were allowed) just paying $36m cash for a late 1st?
This doesn't even make sense.
1) There are 22 games left in the Pels' season. He's owed <$10M of his expiring deal.
2) This happens all the time -- Raptors just dumped Siakam when he was in the last year of a 38M deal with 41 games remaining
They got 3 FRPs and only had to take on expiring Bruce Brown (they exercised the team option however).
That is what NOP would be doing if they took on players they didn't want beyond this season.
This is the flaw IMO -- you're assuming they have to take on salary beyond 24/25 to move Ingram.
And you're assuming they can (or even will) move other guys in the next 3 days to make that "rentable" cap space appear.
It's going to be hard to move CJM by Feb 6.
Hard to make a decision on Zion.
There just aren't many scenarios where NOP keeps BI past the deadline and it "helps" them financially.
They would have to blow everything up this summer -- dump CJ and Zion or Murray. Maybe even Herb.
And Trey3's money stll starts next year (between 25 and 31M for each of the next 4 seasons).
He's not going anywhere.