Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[PDXKnight]

BTW, so much for no team willing to trade first round picks because of the new CBA

My other thought is, with Lavine, going to SAC, where does that leave teams like MIL, MIA, PHX, GS, LAC,CKE, DET, MEM & DEN?

A lot of teams out there that could use some veteran players, let’s hope that one of them wants a POR player & Cronin isn’t too much of a idiot to not make it a deal

I'm curious where Butler ends up. If the Bucks strike out on him wouldn't be surprised to see that Grant to the Bucks idea become reality

[DusterBuster]

I don’t know about the trade idea, but there’s already reports the Lakers are aggressively targeting one of Nic Claxton or Robert Williams

also rumors they are shopping Reaves

Timelord for Reaves works. both have about the same salary

so, Timelord for Reaves + Blazer option to swap 2031 picks. Luca will be 32 by then and probably 300 pounds. Might be a good swap.

but if they can land Claxton, that's a better deal for them

We dont need reeves, honestly something like kleber plus a first swap option + a couple seconds would be fine by me. Or set up a magic Ant deal to land us another 1st or 2 so reeves doesn't give us even more of a logjam

While I think future picks from teams like the Bucks and Suns make sense, future picks from the Lakers are and always will be a bad bet. **** like this will always just “happen” for the Lakers.

[PDXKnight]

also rumors they are shopping Reaves

Timelord for Reaves works. both have about the same salary

so, Timelord for Reaves + Blazer option to swap 2031 picks. Luca will be 32 by then and probably 300 pounds. Might be a good swap.

but if they can land Claxton, that's a better deal for them

We dont need reeves, honestly something like kleber plus a first swap option + a couple seconds would be fine by me. Or set up a magic Ant deal to land us another 1st or 2 so reeves doesn't give us even more of a logjam

While I think future picks from teams like the Bucks and Suns make sense, future picks from the Lakers are and always will be a bad bet. **** like this will always just “happen” for the Lakers.

Oh i agree whole heartedly. But it's a trade asset moving forward and any 1st is better than no 1st for ant which is what it might become if we wait too long

[Village Idiot]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

[Butter]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

ID bet it's down to Simon's and Sexton

[Sinobas]

also rumors they are shopping Reaves

Timelord for Reaves works. both have about the same salary

so, Timelord for Reaves + Blazer option to swap 2031 picks. Luca will be 32 by then and probably 300 pounds. Might be a good swap.

but if they can land Claxton, that's a better deal for them

We dont need reeves, honestly something like kleber plus a first swap option + a couple seconds would be fine by me. Or set up a magic Ant deal to land us another 1st or 2 so reeves doesn't give us even more of a logjam

While I think future picks from teams like the Bucks and Suns make sense, future picks from the Lakers are and always will be a bad bet. **** like this will always just “happen” for the Lakers.

I'd take one from LA if it's totally unprotected.

[Sinobas]

If only the Lakers would take on Ayton.....

Ayton would help their team, and I'm in no mood to give LA anything. People dump on him a lot, but he's not a bad player.

Plus, the Blazers really have no incentive to dump Ayton, his contract expires next year.

[tester551]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

ID bet it's down to Simon's and Sexton

Magic fans think they're in the running for Cam Johnson.

Also a few think they might target Tre Jones.

[DusterBuster]

We dont need reeves, honestly something like kleber plus a first swap option + a couple seconds would be fine by me. Or set up a magic Ant deal to land us another 1st or 2 so reeves doesn't give us even more of a logjam

While I think future picks from teams like the Bucks and Suns make sense, future picks from the Lakers are and always will be a bad bet. **** like this will always just “happen” for the Lakers.

I'd take one from LA if it's totally unprotected.

I mean sure, I would take an unprotected from any team, but any Lakers pick is realistically outside the lottery without a bad injury year - but no way to guess if/when that happens.

[zzaj]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

ID bet it's down to Simon's and Sexton

Magic fans think they're in the running for Cam Johnson.

Also a few think they might target Tre Jones.

That would make sense...this is why players like Simons aren't that valuable--you can find similar players fairly easy. Why give up assets to get a Simons when you can just draft an 80% of Simons in Tre?

[DusterBuster]

ID bet it's down to Simon's and Sexton

Magic fans think they're in the running for Cam Johnson.

Also a few think they might target Tre Jones.

That would make sense...this is why players like Simons aren't that valuable--you can find similar players fairly easy. Why give up assets to get a Simons when you can just draft an 80% of Simons in Tre?

That 80% of player X argument isn't super strong though. How often is it the best move to get the worse play. Heat had the same 80% argument when they lost out on Dame but got Terry Rozier. How'd that work out?

It's like if you are looking to buy two cars. One is cheaper, but has a few things to fix and a few mechanical issues, or one that's more expensive but in perfect condition. Always buy that latter because to save money in the first car, you're going to end up spending the money to need to fix it anyway, so you end up not getting the car you want because you wanted to save a few bucks.

[JRoy]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

I think Fox is hugely overrated but I understand SAS making this move. Good for CHI too, is this the best SAC could do?

[zzaj]

Magic fans think they're in the running for Cam Johnson.

Also a few think they might target Tre Jones.

That would make sense...this is why players like Simons aren't that valuable--you can find similar players fairly easy. Why give up assets to get a Simons when you can just draft an 80% of Simons in Tre?

That 80% of player X argument isn't super strong though. How often is it the best move to get the worse play. Heat had the same 80% argument when they lost out on Dame but got Terry Rozier. How'd that work out?

It's like if you are looking to buy two cars. One is cheaper, but has a few things to fix and a few mechanical issues, or one that's more expensive but in perfect condition. Always buy that latter because to save money in the first car, you're going to end up spending the money to need to fix it anyway, so you end up not getting the car you want because you wanted to save a few bucks.

It's not as simple as a buying a used car analogy, though. Orlando has a lot of cars and is involved in a race for #1, with constraints on how they can utilize their resources.

Simons is on a contract. Orlando would have to give up assets in order to obtain him. "Assets" aren't analogous to money (as in currency to buy a used car) it would require other "cars" in this case.

I think that an NBA GM would definitely prefer the known commodity of a Simons or a Cam, but it may be worth it for Orlando to roll the dice on a Tre Jones (whose to say he doesn't end up being 120% of Simons?) on a rookie contract with years of cost control?

IDK what the move is here...but I feel like if Orlando was serious about obtaining Simons and Portland was serious about letting him go, it would have been done by now.

[zzaj]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

I think Fox is hugely overrated but I understand SAS making this move. Good for CHI too, is this the best SAC could do?

It seems Fox clearly wanted to go to San Antonio. I think that FOs tend to try and honor player destination requests a lot more than we realize...for better or for worse.

San Antonio has a nice little core of Fox/Castle/Wemby with a couple of Vets that shouldn't get in their way.

Edit: Also, San Antonio REALLY needs shooting though...I wouldn't be surprised if they reached with one of their lotto picks on McNeeley or a shooter like that...

[JRoy]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

I think Fox is hugely overrated but I understand SAS making this move. Good for CHI too, is this the best SAC could do?

It seems Fox clearly wanted to go to San Antonio. I think that FOs tend to try and honor player destination requests a lot more than we realize...for better or for worse.

San Antonio has a nice little core of Fox/Castle/Wemby with a couple of Vets that shouldn't get in their way.

They will be good, just not convinced Fox was the right guard.

[Walton1one]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

ID bet it's down to Simon's and Sexton

Would you believe Sexton is a worse defender than Simons?

Sexton 123.3 DRTG, Simons is 120.4 DRTG
Sexton ranks as the worst, Simons ranks 5th, Sharpe (benched for his defense) ranks 12th

I think Lavine to SAC could work out out for them. I don't think it takes them out of the playoff hunt.

The picks they received back were meh:

- the 25 CHA pick is basically (2) future 2nd's as it obviously not conveying
- the 27 SA pick, most likely late teens\twenties? Anything can happen of course, and it is unprotected,but chances are it won't be that great of a pick
- The 31 MIN 1st, unprotected, could be the best of the bunch, but it is so far out there, hard to know

Surprisingly, the best pick traded was CHI getting their own 1st back, which for them pivoting into a tank, was a brilliant move by them. Many were saying they would have to pay a 1st to get off Lavine's contract, not only did they trade Lavine, but they got their lottery 1st back & they also got some expiring money in Jones ($9mil) & both Collins ($18mil) & Juerter ($18 mil) expire after next season

The CHI pick was protected 1-10 this year, then 1-8\1-8 in 26 & 27, it was likely to convey this year.

So SAC took discounted picks to get Lavine back essentially, they got (5) 2nd's basically and (1) mediocre pick and (1) who knows, could be good pick.

I am really surprised they could not get at least (1) of the ATL picks (25', 27') that SA has, nor did they get the swap back in 31' that they owe to SA.

[Walton1one]

I have Sacramento winning the deal as I regard Lavine as a better fit and player.

Fox is a bad shooter and off-ball player ans not a great defender. Not sure that I see how this improves the Spurs, especially with so many talented guards in this draft. Playing him alongside Castle and Sochan means three sub-par shooters in the line-up.

Chicago finally starts the rebuild. I expect Vuc to be traded to LAL or GS this week.

With Fox off the board, does this strengthen the case for Simons to Orlando?

ID bet it's down to Simon's and Sexton

Magic fans think they're in the running for Cam Johnson.

Also a few think they might target Tre Jones.

Yeah, ORL just does not seem to be that interested in Simons, kind of chasing every player but him. Makes you wonder if they have had discussions with Cronin and the asking price is ridiculous, so they have moved on. If Cronin wanted (2) 1st's for example or a 1st & Black, then ORL is right to move on, better off spending those (2) 1st's on Cam Johnson, who is a better player on a better contract.

Even Sexton's stats are better than Simons this year:
18.7ppg 47.8% FG - 41.4% 3ptFG

Simons is, 18.2ppg 42.4% FG - 36.9% 3ptFG%

I think it could be that rumors are true about Cronin, he sets unrealistic prices on his players and refuses to move off them. Hope I am wrong, but certainly doesn't appear to be the case so far.

[Walton1one]

Curious to see how the Suns play tonight with rumors that they are listening to offers on Durant...

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Also, LAL is looking at Mitchell Robinson. I think they would need a 3rd team though.

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[DaVoiceMaster]

ID bet it's down to Simon's and Sexton

Magic fans think they're in the running for Cam Johnson.

Also a few think they might target Tre Jones.

Yeah, ORL just does not seem to be that interested in Simons, kind of chasing every player but him. Makes you wonder if they have had discussions with Cronin and the asking price is ridiculous, so they have moved on. If Cronin wanted (2) 1st's for example or a 1st & Black, then ORL is right to move on, better off spending those (2) 1st's on Cam Johnson, who is a better player on a better contract.

Even Sexton's stats are better than Simons this year:
18.7ppg 47.8% FG - 41.4% 3ptFG

Simons is, 18.2ppg 42.4% FG - 36.9% 3ptFG%

I think it could be that rumors are true about Cronin, he sets unrealistic prices on his players and refuses to move off them. Hope I am wrong, but certainly doesn't appear to be the case so far.

Perhaps Orlando already reached out to Portland and they said Simon's is not available.

[Sinobas]

I wonder if the Cavs would be interested in Jerami Grant, to bolster their roster, since they are in "win now" mode.

We'd take Lavert, Naing, a filler and a pick.

Or maybe not even ask for a pick...basically a give away. Grant's production this year does not making him as enticing...