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Brewhoopfan wrote:This is still the same Bucks team (+ Middleton) that dominated OKC in the Cup Final. Yes, a deadline deal can improve the team. But saying a team with Giannis and Dame isn't a contender? C'mon, man.
SirChurros wrote:soxperry wrote:SirChurros wrote:Hard disagree.
I don’t think 35 year old, primadonna, Jimmy Butler is moving the needle much this year. This roster has a lot of flaws beyond just getting rid of Middleton and calling it a day.
I honestly can’t understand how anyone can watch this team and think we’re a trade away from winning a title. Respectfully, that’s pure delusion, in my opinion.
If you go on bball index and filter it so it only shows players classified on defense as "wing stoppers," you will learn two things:
1. There are not a lot of defensive wing stoppers who qualify as legit two way players.
2. Jimmy, even at 35, playing on a team he has no interest in, is at the top of the list when you sort by overall impact (per game, not cumulative).
Those things can be true and still not move the needle closer to a championship these season. If you think Jimmy Butler is the answer to all the team’s problems and the key to a title, then I’d have to question whether you’ve actually been watching games.
Brewhoopfan wrote:This is still the same Bucks team (+ Middleton) that dominated OKC in the Cup Final. Yes, a deadline deal can improve the team. But saying a team with Giannis and Dame isn't a contender? C'mon, man.
soxperry wrote:SirChurros wrote:soxperry wrote:
If you go on bball index and filter it so it only shows players classified on defense as "wing stoppers," you will learn two things:
1. There are not a lot of defensive wing stoppers who qualify as legit two way players.
2. Jimmy, even at 35, playing on a team he has no interest in, is at the top of the list when you sort by overall impact (per game, not cumulative).
Those things can be true and still not move the needle closer to a championship these season. If you think Jimmy Butler is the answer to all the team’s problems and the key to a title, then I’d have to question whether you’ve actually been watching games.
I dont put much stock into pre deadline games in late Jan/early feb. I cant imagine the motivation level is super high right now. To that end, no, i havent watched any games lately.
I know what Giannis and Dame will be in the playoffs. Take traffic cone Khris out, put in a legitimate defender who can playmake and score as the third option.
Yeah, i love that.
Jimmy not spending all of his energy to will the team to victory is a Jimmy who can go four rounds.
SirChurros wrote:soxperry wrote:SirChurros wrote:
Those things can be true and still not move the needle closer to a championship these season. If you think Jimmy Butler is the answer to all the team’s problems and the key to a title, then I’d have to question whether you’ve actually been watching games.
I dont put much stock into pre deadline games in late Jan/early feb. I cant imagine the motivation level is super high right now. To that end, no, i havent watched any games lately.
I know what Giannis and Dame will be in the playoffs. Take traffic cone Khris out, put in a legitimate defender who can playmake and score as the third option.
Yeah, i love that.
Jimmy not spending all of his energy to will the team to victory is a Jimmy who can go four rounds.
The motivation level hasn’t been there all season, short of the NBA Cup. This is not a serious team.
I would love for someone to explain to me how this Bucks team plus Butler and minus Middleton and Bobby gets past the top teams in the East.
They haven’t shown they are capable of that level of consistency all season. They’re not just going to turn it on.
SirChurros wrote:soxperry wrote:SirChurros wrote:
Those things can be true and still not move the needle closer to a championship these season. If you think Jimmy Butler is the answer to all the team’s problems and the key to a title, then I’d have to question whether you’ve actually been watching games.
I dont put much stock into pre deadline games in late Jan/early feb. I cant imagine the motivation level is super high right now. To that end, no, i havent watched any games lately.
I know what Giannis and Dame will be in the playoffs. Take traffic cone Khris out, put in a legitimate defender who can playmake and score as the third option.
Yeah, i love that.
Jimmy not spending all of his energy to will the team to victory is a Jimmy who can go four rounds.
The motivation level hasn’t been there all season, short of the NBA Cup. This is not a serious team.
I would love for someone to explain to me how this Bucks team plus Butler and minus Middleton and Bobby gets past the top teams in the East.
They haven’t shown they are capable of that level of consistency all season. They’re not just going to turn it on.
Brewhoopfan wrote:This is still the same Bucks team (+ Middleton) that dominated OKC in the Cup Final. Yes, a deadline deal can improve the team. But saying a team with Giannis and Dame isn't a contender? C'mon, man.
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Siefer wrote:Okay. Hear me out.
jschligs wrote:Brewhoopfan wrote:This is still the same Bucks team (+ Middleton) that dominated OKC in the Cup Final. Yes, a deadline deal can improve the team. But saying a team with Giannis and Dame isn't a contender? C'mon, man.
Winning 1 game against OKC doesn't make me believe we are contenders. The entire season as a whole proves to me we are not. And it's now been 1.5 years and we've not moved more towards being a contender.
SirChurros wrote:soxperry wrote:SirChurros wrote:
Those things can be true and still not move the needle closer to a championship these season. If you think Jimmy Butler is the answer to all the team’s problems and the key to a title, then I’d have to question whether you’ve actually been watching games.
I dont put much stock into pre deadline games in late Jan/early feb. I cant imagine the motivation level is super high right now. To that end, no, i havent watched any games lately.
I know what Giannis and Dame will be in the playoffs. Take traffic cone Khris out, put in a legitimate defender who can playmake and score as the third option.
Yeah, i love that.
Jimmy not spending all of his energy to will the team to victory is a Jimmy who can go four rounds.
The motivation level hasn’t been there all season, short of the NBA Cup. This is not a serious team.
I would love for someone to explain to me how this Bucks team plus Butler and minus Middleton and Bobby gets past the top teams in the East.
They haven’t shown they are capable of that level of consistency all season. They’re not just going to turn it on.
A quick poll of NBA executives conducted by The Athletic for this story estimated the current price to dump Connaughton’s contract is three or four second-round picks or a late first-round pick in the next few seasons.
BigO wrote:Frank Nova wrote:Siefer wrote:Bad contract, doesn't play defense, and can't shoot? Hell yes.
I’m not advocating for Kuzma at all but I have to say that I don’t find that contract bad at all, I’d actually consider it “team friendly”. He makes 23m and the contract depreciates over the next 3yrs down to 19m when he expires. I wouldn’t consider that all that bad in today’s NBA. And, again not advocating here but he actually checks out as more of a neutral defender by the numbers more so than “bad”. I think that’s a misconception he gets flamed for by the fans being stuck on a total **** show Wizards team. But you’re 100% accurate he can’t shoot now for whatever reason. Like Giannis % FT shooter now and a TS under 50%. Like, really bad.
So what you're saying to Siefer is that it''s a good contract, isn’t a bad defender and can't shoot. Still not very enticing.
SirChurros wrote:Brewhoopfan wrote:This is still the same Bucks team (+ Middleton) that dominated OKC in the Cup Final. Yes, a deadline deal can improve the team. But saying a team with Giannis and Dame isn't a contender? C'mon, man.
This is the same Bucks team that just got dominated by the San Antonio Spurs. Yes, a deadline deal can improve the team. But saying this team is a championship contender? C’mon man.
raferfenix wrote:Ouch.A quick poll of NBA executives conducted by The Athletic for this story estimated the current price to dump Connaughton’s contract is three or four second-round picks or a late first-round pick in the next few seasons.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6092589/2025/02/04/bucks-trade-deadline-primer/
paulpressey25 wrote:German Athens wrote:Khris and Pat for Kuzma and Valanciunas is a legal trade. Ugh.
If we don’t give up the 2031 first, I think I’d actually make that trade IF there was nothing else available.
Jonas has a relatively high rebounding percentage and might allow you to trade Bobby or Brook. It would shake things up a bit, and both guys contracts are moveable.
