Per Shams - Sims traded to MIL for Delon Wright

[Knicks Byke]

delon wright sucks but so does sims so cool i guess

suck for suck











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[spree2kawhi]

Who TF is Delon Wright?

He’s the brother of Dorell Wright if that helps.

[spree2kawhi]

What were you expecting to get for Sims or did you want to hold onto him or something else?

I wasn't expecting to get anything. I actually thought they would just try to get a 2nd round pick and open a roster spot.

By taking on Wright they will are right up against the 2nd apron where they can't add much. So yes I wasn't expecting much of a return but I think adding more of a guard glut doens't make sense unless they move another piece. Which is possible.

I half expected NY to give up a 2nd round pick to shed Sims' salary. Not joking. You don't just get a team to take 2 million dollars without paying something to make it happen.

As for Wright, I said it above. This feels very lateral. Didn't add much of anything or give up much of anything.

We miraculously added a million to the payroll…

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Nice that they brought in someone to push Brunson. No one is safe.

Aller collects euro point guards that won't play in the NBA like some people collect stamps

Didn’t we draft a coach once? He was a coach already, and we got his draft rights lol

Kind of. They moved some picks around and as a throw-in, they got rights to Petteri Koponen, a Spurs summer league coach who was past his playing days. They didn't draft him though, just acquired his rights. There was no reason for it other than to set a record for most draft and stash Euros are something like that.

The Mavs got the #51 pick. The Knicks #58 (Huk) and cash and Koponen, at the time, 36 and pretty much no chance he was coming over to play. It was basically 51 for 58 and cash. Kopo was just a bit of a headline grabber.

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I wasn't expecting to get anything. I actually thought they would just try to get a 2nd round pick and open a roster spot.

By taking on Wright they will are right up against the 2nd apron where they can't add much. So yes I wasn't expecting much of a return but I think adding more of a guard glut doens't make sense unless they move another piece. Which is possible.

I half expected NY to give up a 2nd round pick to shed Sims' salary. Not joking. You don't just get a team to take 2 million dollars without paying something to make it happen.

As for Wright, I said it above. This feels very lateral. Didn't add much of anything or give up much of anything.

We miraculously added a million to the payroll…

I don't think that's true. Wright is being paid 3 million but his cap hit is 2.087 and the Bucks are sending us cash in the swap.

Sims' cap hit is 2.092. It's pretty close to a wash salary wise. It's possible that Wright is more useable in a sign and trade this off-season as Sims' rookie deal might go up and Wright can be vet minimumed and traded like they did with those players who went in the KAT trade, but I'm not 100% sure about that.

But even if Wright is being paid more, because of his years in the NBA, the cap hit is basically the same and the Bucks are covering some if not all of that difference in salary.

[aq_ua]

I wasn't expecting to get anything. I actually thought they would just try to get a 2nd round pick and open a roster spot.

By taking on Wright they will are right up against the 2nd apron where they can't add much. So yes I wasn't expecting much of a return but I think adding more of a guard glut doens't make sense unless they move another piece. Which is possible.

I half expected NY to give up a 2nd round pick to shed Sims' salary. Not joking. You don't just get a team to take 2 million dollars without paying something to make it happen.

As for Wright, I said it above. This feels very lateral. Didn't add much of anything or give up much of anything.

We miraculously added a million to the payroll…

This is the part I don’t get. Is it because it’s midway through the season so the $1mm contract difference is smaller due to pro rating? Therefore it fits into that $500k room we had available? I thought either way it wasn’t possible to trade a contract even a dollar higher?

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I don't think this is thread-worthy. Maybe in the off-season when we discuss summer league, but here's a pretty good write-up on Besson. I'd put him in the Joku category. An interesting guy to watch and invite to summer league but give him a low probability of making Knicks NBA roster.

https://mavsdraft.com/hugo-besson-scouting-report/

I wouldn't be shocked if he makes it to the NBA, but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't. Looks kind of fun though.

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I half expected NY to give up a 2nd round pick to shed Sims' salary. Not joking. You don't just get a team to take 2 million dollars without paying something to make it happen.

As for Wright, I said it above. This feels very lateral. Didn't add much of anything or give up much of anything.

We miraculously added a million to the payroll…

This is the part I don’t get. Is it because it’s midway through the season so the $1mm contract difference is smaller due to pro rating? Therefore it fits into that $500k room we had available? I thought either way it wasn’t possible to trade a contract even a dollar higher?

For vets with more than a few years of playing time, the vet minimum contract (currently 2 million and change) gets rounded up to 3 million in salary. It's still 2 million against the cap so this trade doesn't affect the apron at all. It's still 2 million in trade. It's 3 million in paychecks only.

At least, I think that's how it works, but if an NBA salary cap expert has corrections to this, I welcome being corrected.

[JayTWill]

I half expected NY to give up a 2nd round pick to shed Sims' salary. Not joking. You don't just get a team to take 2 million dollars without paying something to make it happen.

As for Wright, I said it above. This feels very lateral. Didn't add much of anything or give up much of anything.

We miraculously added a million to the payroll…

This is the part I don’t get. Is it because it’s midway through the season so the $1mm contract difference is smaller due to pro rating? Therefore it fits into that $500k room we had available? I thought either way it wasn’t possible to trade a contract even a dollar higher?

I believe the vet min increases for every year of service up to 10 years but players with 2 years or more all count for the same amount against the cap ($2.087M this year) and the league reimburses the team for whatever amount they pay over that for a player. I think the Knicks actually saved like 5 thousand dollars on Sims deal.

[douggood]

I half expected NY to give up a 2nd round pick to shed Sims' salary. Not joking. You don't just get a team to take 2 million dollars without paying something to make it happen.

As for Wright, I said it above. This feels very lateral. Didn't add much of anything or give up much of anything.

We miraculously added a million to the payroll…

This is the part I don’t get. Is it because it’s midway through the season so the $1mm contract difference is smaller due to pro rating? Therefore it fits into that $500k room we had available? I thought either way it wasn’t possible to trade a contract even a dollar higher?

Any vet (like Delon) who signs a 1 year deal, gets counts to the cap the same as the minimum salary of a 2nd year player. the nba pays the rest of the salary. its to prevent teams only signing young players to save money.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/nba-minimum-salaries-for-2024-25.html

if you see on spotract delons cap hit is $2,087,519 but also shows his base salary as $3,003,427
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total

so the nba is paying the 900kish on his contract.

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We miraculously added a million to the payroll…

This is the part I don’t get. Is it because it’s midway through the season so the $1mm contract difference is smaller due to pro rating? Therefore it fits into that $500k room we had available? I thought either way it wasn’t possible to trade a contract even a dollar higher?

Any vet (like Delon) who signs a 1 year deal, gets counts to the cap the same as the minimum salary of a 2nd year player. the nba pays the rest of the salary. its to prevent teams only signing young players to save money.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/nba-minimum-salaries-for-2024-25.html

if you see on spotract delons cap hit is $2,087,519 but also shows his base salary as $3,003,427
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total

so the nba is paying the 900kish on his contract.

So all this does is save Dolan money.

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delon wright sucks but so does sims so cool i guess

suck for suck

So all this does is save Dolan money.

I could be wrong, but I think Wright can fill the same need that Charlie Brown, DaQuan Jeffries & Duane Washington Jr. played last year in making the KAT trade work. He can be used as salary cap filler. Sims probably couldn't because I believe Sims would be a full free agent next year and probably signs for more than the Vet minimum, cap filler role.

At least, that's how I make sense of this trade. They didn't need Sims and Wright can be used in trade this summer while Sims might not have filled that role. Does that make sense?

[douggood]

This is the part I don’t get. Is it because it’s midway through the season so the $1mm contract difference is smaller due to pro rating? Therefore it fits into that $500k room we had available? I thought either way it wasn’t possible to trade a contract even a dollar higher?

Any vet (like Delon) who signs a 1 year deal, gets counts to the cap the same as the minimum salary of a 2nd year player. the nba pays the rest of the salary. its to prevent teams only signing young players to save money.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/nba-minimum-salaries-for-2024-25.html

if you see on spotract delons cap hit is $2,087,519 but also shows his base salary as $3,003,427
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total

so the nba is paying the 900kish on his contract.

So all this does is save Dolan money.

saves him like prorated portion of 4 thousand dollars, rounding errror essentially.

[G_K_F]

delon wright sucks but so does sims so cool i guess

suck for suck

So all this does is save Dolan money.

I could be wrong, but I think Wright can fill the same need that Charlie Brown, DaQuan Jeffries & Duane Washington Jr. played last year in making the KAT trade work. He can be used as salary cap filler. Sims probably couldn't because I believe Sims would be a full free agent next year and probably signs for more than the Vet minimum, cap filler role.

At least, that's how I make sense of this trade. They didn't need Sims and Wright can be used in trade this summer while Sims might not have filled that role. Does that make sense?

I could see that.

Not sure if it's accurate but that's probably the only explanation that makes any sense.

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saves him like prorated portion of 4 thousand dollars, rounding errror essentially.

Plus the cash Milwaukee is sending. Plus Besson if you believe in him. I have no idea who might be more interesting, Besson or Lessort, or which team wanted that swap.

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But as I posted above. I think Wright is a trade chip this summer while Sims would probably have been a free agent and not as easily traded. Wright would take a vet minimum deal again and be swapable as a throw in to make salaries balance. Like the 3 players we threw in to make the KAT trade work.

[mpharris36]

I half expected NY to give up a 2nd round pick to shed Sims' salary. Not joking. You don't just get a team to take 2 million dollars without paying something to make it happen.

As for Wright, I said it above. This feels very lateral. Didn't add much of anything or give up much of anything.

We miraculously added a million to the payroll…

This is the part I don’t get. Is it because it’s midway through the season so the $1mm contract difference is smaller due to pro rating? Therefore it fits into that $500k room we had available? I thought either way it wasn’t possible to trade a contract even a dollar higher?

he's a vet so he gets paid 3 MM but his cap hit is league min deal at 2 MM.

[Polk377]

I don't think this is thread-worthy. Maybe in the off-season when we discuss summer league, but here's a pretty good write-up on Besson. I'd put him in the Joku category. An interesting guy to watch and invite to summer league but give him a low probability of making Knicks NBA roster.

https://mavsdraft.com/hugo-besson-scouting-report/

I wouldn't be shocked if he makes it to the NBA, but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't. Looks kind of fun though.

He looks nice and already has an NBA playstyle to him.

[G_K_F]

Hugo Besson sucks. Let's not speak of him again.

[K_ick_God]

Damn, another crazy deadline deal… no wonder why RealGM broke

Butler trade and a drunk Raptors poster bumped into the load balancer.