Ex-Knicks, Sh**posts, and Old Trades - OH MY!

[DOT]

making fun of players that meLo stans supercedes being rational.

F*ck being rational, give 'em what they ask for.

[Wildcat]

It’s looking like we should’ve chose Grimes over Deuce.

Grimes- 10 PPG on 46/40/77 splits
Deuce- 9 PPG on 41/36/84 splits.

[3toheadmelo]

I mean, I feel like it's a pretty normal thing to want to go somewhere which would give you the best chance to show out for a bigger contract when you're a fringe player on the last year of your deal.

I was going to post this but decided against it cause making fun of players that meLo stans supercedes being rational.

I welcome it

[Deeeez Knicks]

Grimes was so shook here that last year. I don't think he could handle the quick hooks from Thibs. He needed a change of scenery. Plus he's a free agent. He might get something like $10mil. Deuce at 1/2 to 1/3 the cost is much better then Grimes.

[JayTWill]

Grimes was so shook here that last year. I don't think he could handle the quick hooks from Thibs. He needed a change of scenery. Plus he's a free agent. He might get something like $10mil. Deuce at 1/2 to 1/3 the cost is much better then Grimes.

Grimes definitely could have been more assertive but its odd how close his per 100 numbers were last year in a down season for the Knicks when compared to McBride's number this year.

Grimes was also doing it while playing next to guys like Brunson, RJ, Randle and IQ who aren't exactly great at moving the ball and having to play the role of point of attack defender in the starting lineup against everyone from Lillard to Edwards to Tatum.

They didn't have to make a financial decision to keep one over the other. They could have kept both as cheap depth pieces. He is currently making less than Deuce and $15M per year on 2 young 3 and D guys would have been a bargain if they could have accomplished that especially on a team that lacks 2-way players.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Grimes was so shook here that last year. I don't think he could handle the quick hooks from Thibs. He needed a change of scenery. Plus he's a free agent. He might get something like $10mil. Deuce at 1/2 to 1/3 the cost is much better then Grimes.

Grimes definitely could have been more assertive but its odd how close his per 100 numbers were last year in a down season for the Knicks when compared to McBride's number this year.

Grimes was also doing it while playing next to guys like Brunson, RJ, Randle and IQ who aren't exactly great at moving the ball and having to play the role of point of attack defender in the starting lineup against everyone from Lillard to Edwards to Tatum.

They didn't have to make a financial decision to keep one over the other. They could have kept both as cheap depth pieces. He is currently making less than Deuce and $15M per year on 2 young 3 and D guys would have been a bargain if they could have accomplished that especially on a team that lacks 2-way players.

Grimes shot 37% fg, 33.8% from 3 last year. He was awful and got benched. He was much worse then Deuce.
He had opportunities just couldn't make shots . I think Grimes can still pan out but he's on his 4th team and just requested a trade because he wasn't getting minutes she he wants to get paid. No way he would have been happy getting 15min here and he's looking for a pay day.

Knicks are right up against the apron and don't want to go over so every penny counts. They had to make tough decisions but I'm not losing sleep over Grimes. If he wasn't traded last year he would have been traded this year anyway.

[Reign23]

Raptors now 2-9 w/o RJ

[JayTWill]

Grimes was so shook here that last year. I don't think he could handle the quick hooks from Thibs. He needed a change of scenery. Plus he's a free agent. He might get something like $10mil. Deuce at 1/2 to 1/3 the cost is much better then Grimes.

Grimes definitely could have been more assertive but its odd how close his per 100 numbers were last year in a down season for the Knicks when compared to McBride's number this year.

Grimes was also doing it while playing next to guys like Brunson, RJ, Randle and IQ who aren't exactly great at moving the ball and having to play the role of point of attack defender in the starting lineup against everyone from Lillard to Edwards to Tatum.

They didn't have to make a financial decision to keep one over the other. They could have kept both as cheap depth pieces. He is currently making less than Deuce and $15M per year on 2 young 3 and D guys would have been a bargain if they could have accomplished that especially on a team that lacks 2-way players.

Grimes shot 37% fg, 33.8% from 3 last year. He was awful and got benched. He was much worse then Deuce.
He had opportunities just couldn't make shots . I think Grimes can still pan out but he's on his 4th team and just requested a trade because he wasn't getting minutes she he wants to get paid. No way he would have been happy getting 15min here and he's looking for a pay day.

Knicks are right up against the apron and don't want to go over so every penny counts. They had to make tough decisions but I'm not losing sleep over Grimes. If he wasn't traded last year he would have been traded this year anyway.

Even when Grimes got benched the Brunson/RJ/Randle pairing performed much worse with DDV because the defense was atrocious. We could have used his defense this year and last postseason even if his shooting didn't come back around but i'm not sure if he would have been healthy enough to return by the playoffs.

When they traded Grimes last year he had a true shooting percentage of 54.3% and 36.4% from 3. McBride currently has a 54.6 TS% while shooting 36.3% from 3. The Knicks are now giving minutes and money to fringe rotation guys like Payne, Shamet and Precious. Mitch is still getting paid to be unavailable and the starters have logged heavy minutes. I think they could have found some minutes and money for Grimes.

They couldn't even find someone to take the $5.2M Taxpayer MLE last off-season and just threw the remaining money under the apron at Precious after a month of free agency. I'd rather have Grimes this year than Precious at $6M to be a guy with no real strengths and could easily be out of the rotation if Mitch returns. It's not like it's an IQ situation where you hear Grimes wants to start and get $25M-30M+ per year.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Grimes definitely could have been more assertive but its odd how close his per 100 numbers were last year in a down season for the Knicks when compared to McBride's number this year.

Grimes was also doing it while playing next to guys like Brunson, RJ, Randle and IQ who aren't exactly great at moving the ball and having to play the role of point of attack defender in the starting lineup against everyone from Lillard to Edwards to Tatum.

They didn't have to make a financial decision to keep one over the other. They could have kept both as cheap depth pieces. He is currently making less than Deuce and $15M per year on 2 young 3 and D guys would have been a bargain if they could have accomplished that especially on a team that lacks 2-way players.

Grimes shot 37% fg, 33.8% from 3 last year. He was awful and got benched. He was much worse then Deuce.
He had opportunities just couldn't make shots . I think Grimes can still pan out but he's on his 4th team and just requested a trade because he wasn't getting minutes she he wants to get paid. No way he would have been happy getting 15min here and he's looking for a pay day.

Knicks are right up against the apron and don't want to go over so every penny counts. They had to make tough decisions but I'm not losing sleep over Grimes. If he wasn't traded last year he would have been traded this year anyway.

Even when Grimes got benched the Brunson/RJ/Randle pairing performed much worse with DDV because the defense was atrocious. We could have used his defense this year and last postseason even if his shooting didn't come back around but i'm not sure if he would have been healthy enough to return by the playoffs.

When they traded Grimes last year he had a true shooting percentage of 54.3% and 36.4% from 3. McBride currently has a 54.6 TS% while shooting 36.3% from 3. The Knicks are now giving minutes and money to fringe rotation guys like Payne, Shamet and Precious. Mitch is still getting paid to be unavailable and the starters have logged heavy minutes. I think they could have found some minutes and money for Grimes.

They couldn't even find someone to take the $5.2M Taxpayer MLE last off-season and just threw the remaining money under the apron at Precious after a month of free agency. I'd rather have Grimes this year than Precious at $6M to be a guy with no real strengths and could easily be out of the rotation if Mitch returns. It's not like it's an IQ situation where you hear Grimes wants to start and get $25M-30M+ per year.

Grimes turned down an extension with the Mavs and requested a trade to get more playing time. On the knicks he would get even less minutes because Thibs will run his starters to the ground. He wants to get paid. He won’t get as much as IQ but his next contract is one that would put the Knick’s over the apron.

I mean, if we can add Grimes to the roster I would take him but he was a casualty of the Knick’s building the roster. It happens.

[Capn'O]

Deuce and Grimes are kind of a wash but the advantage of Grimes is that he's more of a wing and we have more guards.

[nykballa2k4]

It’s looking like we should’ve chose Grimes over Deuce.

Grimes- 10 PPG on 46/40/77 splits
Deuce- 9 PPG on 41/36/84 splits.

Grimes is the more valuable player, but next year will be the more expensive player.

FWIW, he was never aggressive enough for us off the bench. Right now Cam Payne is blocking Deuce to some extent so we are not getting the best version of McBride.

[Guano]

deuce is a disappointment and grimes is soft. this is worse than arguing over chandler and gallo.

[JayTWill]

deuce is a disappointment and grimes is soft. this is worse than arguing over chandler and gallo.

Hey, ease up on my young cheap 3 and D role players while they are still developing. I'm trying to resist pulling up this year's on-off numbers to slander your guy Hart's impact this year The Knicks are in no position to be turning their nose up at any quality rotational player.

[Spree2Houston]

Raptors now 2-9 w/o RJ

They suck with him too

[3toheadmelo]

Timberwolves are 3-3 without Randle and got destroyed by the Cavs last night. But I was told they’re soooo much better without him and Naz Reid is a huge upgrade

[Guano]

deuce is a disappointment and grimes is soft. this is worse than arguing over chandler and gallo.

Hey, ease up on my young cheap 3 and D role players while they are still developing. I'm trying to resist pulling up this year's on-off numbers to slander your guy Hart's impact this year The Knicks are in no position to be turning their nose up at any quality rotational player.

had to sneak in that "while they are still developing" cause the 3 and D has been rough lately. and slandering jHart to take the focus off deuce having a bad year is nasty work. i like deuce and hope he can get right. it's just frustrating that we don't have a consistent solid rook - ever. I get that players go in slumps or get injured but it seems fairly extreme with us.

[G_K_F]

Deuce is paid about what he's worth. It's not his fault the burden was put on him to be a 6th man when he isn't one.

HE should be a 15-20 mpg role player who is not relied upon to score.

[JayTWill]

deuce is a disappointment and grimes is soft. this is worse than arguing over chandler and gallo.

Hey, ease up on my young cheap 3 and D role players while they are still developing. I'm trying to resist pulling up this year's on-off numbers to slander your guy Hart's impact this year The Knicks are in no position to be turning their nose up at any quality rotational player.

had to sneak in that "while they are still developing" cause the 3 and D has been rough lately. and slandering jHart to take the focus off deuce having a bad year is nasty work. i like deuce and hope he can get right. it's just frustrating that we don't have a consistent solid rook - ever. I get that players go in slumps or get injured but it seems fairly extreme with us.

Young players are going to be inconsistent but it's hard for me to knock guys like McBride and Grimes when they still give consistent defensive effort and space the floor even when they are struggling. This team has so many guys that either don't defend or can't shoot or are average to below average at both that I can deal with a little inconsistency of guys that are capable of doing both. They aren't exciting players but they are the type of players every team can use.

Hart is also a pretty inconsistent player as far as his shooting, defensive impact and decision making. It's just interesting how different narratives develop for different players but sometimes the numbers don't matchup.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Timberwolves are 3-3 without Randle and got destroyed by the Cavs last night. But I was told they’re soooo much better without him and Naz Reid is a huge upgrade

Naz Reid in the 6 games


120.1 ORTG
108.9 DRTG
+11.2


Randle +2.9 on the season, Reid +5.3.


They're literally better with him on the floor, nasty work.

[Iron Mantis]