Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[dice]

I think if we can replicate the Bears/Giants 2021 trade, that would make it significantly easier to trade for Garrett. If I remember correctly, the giants got a a 2021 5th and 2022 1st. If we can trade down and get a 2026 1st, we'd virtually be trading just one 1st. And if the Browns say we need to add a couple later picks to make up for trading back, i'd be completely fine with throwing in an extra 4th round pick or two. When trading for a HOF DE like Garrett, those later picks become virtually inconsequential. Obviously there would need to be some conditions met before pulling off a trade like that, specifically rebuilding the OL. But doing those three things, put us in a great position to win, I think.


Step 1: Spend 50m on the OL
Step 2: Trade back and add an extra 1st (giving us 2 in 2026)
Step 3: Trade 2025 1st and 2026 1st Garrett

nobody is going to trade a future first to move up to the #10 pick in this draft. when we traded up to 10, we were doing so for a QB that would likely go first overall in this class

Agreed. 10 is kind of a weird spot to be in in this draft. Jeanty is a blue chip, and will likely be there. But a team would really have to love him to trade up for him there. Other than that, we are outside the range for the top tier OL and DL, and probably too early for the second tier guys. I don't see much incentive for a team to trade up, and any of the positional need guys will probably feel like a reach. It doesn't look like it's going to be an exciting day 1 for us, but hopefully we come away with a contributor like the Wright draft.

there will be a OL or EDGE prospect available that won't be a reach. certainly an EDGE. i fear that poles will sign a starting EDGE in free agency and draft an OT who probably won't even play OT in the NFL. there is no blue chip OT in this draft and carter is the only blue chip EDGE

[dice]

Part of the problem last night is KC had no issues not trying to establish the run game. They didn't look to swing it to their backs on the outside in the flat, or run it at all. So the Eagles were able to tee off all night and just bullrush KC's OLine since they were not looking for any pass less than 10 yards.

It was bad coaching as much as it was bad play last night. They got thoroughly beat.

Jalen hurts outplayed mahomes in 2 superbowls that’s saying a lot about them individually and yes idk what Andy Reid was thinking not running the ball atp KC was hit in the mouth and was never the same the whole game

2023 super bowl QBRs:

96 mahomes
81 hurts

mahomes was a surgeon in that game. including game winning drive

[dice]

fields contract projections:

1 yr, 9 mil - spotrac
2 yrs, 40 mil - SI
10 mil per - the athletic (darnold got 10 mil from vikings)
2 yrs, 50 mil - CBS
1 yr, 11 mil - PFF

low end deals seem like a steal for a borderline starter signed to start

[dice]

I kept thinking to myself, well if Mahomes struggled with this sort of pressure, maybe I shouldn't feel as bad about Caleb. Reinforced the importance of us shoring up our Oline this offseason.

And lets not forget the dline as well. The defense getting our offense back on the field for more chances to score and more chances for themselves to rest. Need that perfect balance. A well rounded team is a well oiled machine.

I am squarely in the Oline before Dline this offseason. Both are needs, but Caleb is teetering on the fence of being another throw away. Too many young QB's careers have ended by becoming seeing ghosts and getting the permanent yips.

to date, the ghosts appear largely of his own invitation

[dice]

Let the record show that Hurts has not only been to the SB twice, but had met and outplayed Mahomes both times. Don’t know if that’s something. But it’s definitely not nothing.

the something is that it's false

[dice]

My wife and I won all the squares in our family pool, the Bears have Ben Johnson, a ton of cap space, and 3 picks in the first 2 rounds. Life is good.

unfortunately, we also have poles, but if we're lucky he's now BJ's puppet

[dice]

Is Trey Smith having a good game?

he was awful in the playoffs. huge contract for him would be terrible

[dice]

Is Trey Smith having a good game?

he was awful in the playoffs. huge contract for him would be terrible

[fleet]

Is Trey Smith having a good game?

he was awful in the playoffs. huge contract for him would be terrible

Yeah. He strung a bunch of low output games together. You’re not intentionally spending 23 million a year for low output in the post season FOR A GUARD. He wanted that money, he had to show. Granted, Carter didn’t have any stats in the Superbowl, but Carter was really sick all week, and he was doubled like crazy in that game, it was a team effort.

[Dresden]

What a bizarre response...

I don’t find it bizarre at all. It was noted that a guy that was drafted with a pick that we once owned made a big play. It was countered with the fact that he also got beat on a play as well. It’s all fair game if we’re talking coulda-shoulda-wouldas.

Well if we are going to play THAT game, pick 6's are far more rare than getting beat deep for a TD when the game is already effectively over.

Pick 6 half-way through the 2Q on Mahomes and the two-time defending Champs to make the game 16-0. Kind of a big deal in the SuperBowl.

Gives up TD with :43 seconds left in the 3rd Q to Mahomes and the two-time defending champs that "closes" the game to 34-6 -----------> NO ONE CARES

Edit - I was thinking it was Worthy's first TD. But the score on DeJean (sorta...who was the other guy back there?) was on Worthy's 2nd TD, which was under 2 minutes in the 4thQ that made the score 40-20?

Are you **** kidding me?!?!? What the hell is the point in those responses?

Double Edit - DeJean (#33) was not involved in the 50 yard TD. The 24 yard TD looked like zone and it was the safety beat.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-mahomes-24-yard-td-strike-to-worthy-gets-kc-on-board-in-sblix
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-50-yard-td-mahomes-deep-launch-to-worthy-yields-super-bowl-score


Hopkins TD was on the other side of the field.
https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-finds-deandre-hopkins-for-7-yard-touchdown-super-bowl-lix

Basically, it wasn't DeJean that got beat for a TD at all. But he did have a pick 6.

It wasn't the TD he got beat on- it was the long pass completion on the drive that ended in a TD. I"m not saying it's equivalent to a pick 6, just pointing out that he also gave up a big play. People like pointing out when players who we passed on, or could have drafted, make big plays, so it's also fair to point out when they screw up, too.

Like Jalen Carter getting a 15 yard personal foul (which almost negated a strip sack by his teammate), and had an offside penalty that gave Mahomes a free play.

[Dresden]

Point is, pick had certain value, and there should be certain return on the sacrifice. I’d say we’re in the hole ATM considering the money. And the window for a 29 YO that has perhaps begun to show signs of tread wear is not open for a long time to get that certain return.

and the above market contract

At the time, everything I read about the contract stated that it was a pretty good deal for the Bears.

[Almost Retired]

Is Trey Smith having a good game?

he was awful in the playoffs. huge contract for him would be terrible

I'm off the Trey Smith bandwagon. The guys I'd go after are Will Fries of the Colts or Mekhi Becton of the Eagles, but there will be a lot of competition. But either one should cost $ 7-8 million a year less than Trey Smith. But we definitely need to add a bona fide starter in Free Agency. We can't fix the O-Line only through the draft.

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[panthermark]

I don’t find it bizarre at all. It was noted that a guy that was drafted with a pick that we once owned made a big play. It was countered with the fact that he also got beat on a play as well. It’s all fair game if we’re talking coulda-shoulda-wouldas.

Well if we are going to play THAT game, pick 6's are far more rare than getting beat deep for a TD when the game is already effectively over.

Pick 6 half-way through the 2Q on Mahomes and the two-time defending Champs to make the game 16-0. Kind of a big deal in the SuperBowl.

Gives up TD with :43 seconds left in the 3rd Q to Mahomes and the two-time defending champs that "closes" the game to 34-6 -----------> NO ONE CARES

Edit - I was thinking it was Worthy's first TD. But the score on DeJean (sorta...who was the other guy back there?) was on Worthy's 2nd TD, which was under 2 minutes in the 4thQ that made the score 40-20?

Are you **** kidding me?!?!? What the hell is the point in those responses?

Double Edit - DeJean (#33) was not involved in the 50 yard TD. The 24 yard TD looked like zone and it was the safety beat.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-mahomes-24-yard-td-strike-to-worthy-gets-kc-on-board-in-sblix
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-50-yard-td-mahomes-deep-launch-to-worthy-yields-super-bowl-score


Hopkins TD was on the other side of the field.
https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-finds-deandre-hopkins-for-7-yard-touchdown-super-bowl-lix

Basically, it wasn't DeJean that got beat for a TD at all. But he did have a pick 6.

It wasn't the TD he got beat on- it was the long pass completion on the drive that ended in a TD. I"m not saying it's equivalent to a pick 6, just pointing out that he also gave up a big play. People like pointing out when players who we passed on, or could have drafted, make big plays, so it's also fair to point out when they screw up, too.

Like Jalen Carter getting a 15 yard personal foul (which almost negated a strip sack by his teammate), and had an offside penalty that gave Mahomes a free play.

It wasn't equivalent to a pick 6, but immediately pointing it out sure seemed like you were trying. Big plays by the offense will happen, bigger plays are when the D scores a TD.

You are free to point out their mistakes and that is fine. But in the end, that dude we passed (in the case of Carter) is the Pro-Bowl starting anchor (89% of the snaps) on the D-line that smashed Mahomes and won the Superbowl. He is in the history books now (as is DeJean with a pick 6 in the SB and a championship ring on his finger).

[Dresden]

Well if we are going to play THAT game, pick 6's are far more rare than getting beat deep for a TD when the game is already effectively over.

Pick 6 half-way through the 2Q on Mahomes and the two-time defending Champs to make the game 16-0. Kind of a big deal in the SuperBowl.

Gives up TD with :43 seconds left in the 3rd Q to Mahomes and the two-time defending champs that "closes" the game to 34-6 -----------> NO ONE CARES

Edit - I was thinking it was Worthy's first TD. But the score on DeJean (sorta...who was the other guy back there?) was on Worthy's 2nd TD, which was under 2 minutes in the 4thQ that made the score 40-20?

Are you **** kidding me?!?!? What the hell is the point in those responses?

Double Edit - DeJean (#33) was not involved in the 50 yard TD. The 24 yard TD looked like zone and it was the safety beat.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-mahomes-24-yard-td-strike-to-worthy-gets-kc-on-board-in-sblix
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-50-yard-td-mahomes-deep-launch-to-worthy-yields-super-bowl-score


Hopkins TD was on the other side of the field.
https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-finds-deandre-hopkins-for-7-yard-touchdown-super-bowl-lix

Basically, it wasn't DeJean that got beat for a TD at all. But he did have a pick 6.

It wasn't the TD he got beat on- it was the long pass completion on the drive that ended in a TD. I"m not saying it's equivalent to a pick 6, just pointing out that he also gave up a big play. People like pointing out when players who we passed on, or could have drafted, make big plays, so it's also fair to point out when they screw up, too.

Like Jalen Carter getting a 15 yard personal foul (which almost negated a strip sack by his teammate), and had an offside penalty that gave Mahomes a free play.

It wasn't equivalent to a pick 6, but immediately pointing it out sure seemed like you were trying. Big plays by the offense will happen, bigger plays are when the D scores a TD.

You are free to point out their mistakes and that is fine. But in the end, that dude we passed (in the case of Carter) is the Pro-Bowl starting anchor (89% of the snaps) on the D-line that smashed Mahomes and won the Superbowl. He is in the history books now (as is DeJean with a pick 6 in the SB and a championship ring on his finger).

You could also say that the pick 6 wasn't as much of a great play by DeJean as it was a bad play by Mahomes, and DeJean just happened to be in the right place at the right time. He did make a nice run to get into the end zone.

It's hard to evaluate players until they've been in the league 2-3 years. Right now, Carter is way better than Wright, but we'll see who has the better overall career. Same with DeJean/Sweat. Sweat was great in '23. He was banged up last season.

When teams do poorly, as the Bears did last year, everyone tends to look bad. I would not be surprised if a lot of the players that didn't look so great in '24, suddenly look a lot better next year or the year after. Particularly Sweat, Edmunds, Stevenson, DJ, Kmet, Swift, Odunze, and of course Caleb.

[Dresden]

Is Trey Smith having a good game?

he was awful in the playoffs. huge contract for him would be terrible

I'm off the Trey Smith bandwagon. The guys I'd go after are Will Fries of the Colts or Mekhi Becton of the Eagles, but there will be a lot of competition. But either one should cost $ 7-8 million a year less than Trey Smith. But we definitely need to add a bona fide starter in Free Agency. We can't fix the O-Line only through the draft.

I agree- no need to break the bank for a guard. It's rare for those big FA's signings to pay off. Just get a good young guy on a medium level deal- or several of them. And then do the rest via the draft.

[dice]

Well if we are going to play THAT game, pick 6's are far more rare than getting beat deep for a TD when the game is already effectively over.

Pick 6 half-way through the 2Q on Mahomes and the two-time defending Champs to make the game 16-0. Kind of a big deal in the SuperBowl.

Gives up TD with :43 seconds left in the 3rd Q to Mahomes and the two-time defending champs that "closes" the game to 34-6 -----------> NO ONE CARES

Edit - I was thinking it was Worthy's first TD. But the score on DeJean (sorta...who was the other guy back there?) was on Worthy's 2nd TD, which was under 2 minutes in the 4thQ that made the score 40-20?

Are you **** kidding me?!?!? What the hell is the point in those responses?

Double Edit - DeJean (#33) was not involved in the 50 yard TD. The 24 yard TD looked like zone and it was the safety beat.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-mahomes-24-yard-td-strike-to-worthy-gets-kc-on-board-in-sblix
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-50-yard-td-mahomes-deep-launch-to-worthy-yields-super-bowl-score


Hopkins TD was on the other side of the field.
https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-finds-deandre-hopkins-for-7-yard-touchdown-super-bowl-lix

Basically, it wasn't DeJean that got beat for a TD at all. But he did have a pick 6.

It wasn't the TD he got beat on- it was the long pass completion on the drive that ended in a TD. I"m not saying it's equivalent to a pick 6, just pointing out that he also gave up a big play. People like pointing out when players who we passed on, or could have drafted, make big plays, so it's also fair to point out when they screw up, too.

Like Jalen Carter getting a 15 yard personal foul (which almost negated a strip sack by his teammate), and had an offside penalty that gave Mahomes a free play.

It wasn't equivalent to a pick 6, but immediately pointing it out sure seemed like you were trying. Big plays by the offense will happen, bigger plays are when the D scores a TD.

You are free to point out their mistakes and that is fine. But in the end, that dude we passed (in the case of Carter) is the Pro-Bowl starting anchor (89% of the snaps) on the D-line that smashed Mahomes and won the Superbowl. He is in the history books now (as is DeJean with a pick 6 in the SB and a championship ring on his finger).

we don't know whether the safety was supposed to be behind the receiver on the worthy TD in question. it's possible dejean was supposed to be lagging behind him a bit to bait mahomes into a throw

FWIW, dejean was named PFF's top 2024 corner in the league after the super bowl. a rookie in one of the hardest positions to play. if you don't like PFF, he also allowed the lowest passer rating amongst slot corners

[patryk7754]

Is Trey Smith having a good game?

he was awful in the playoffs. huge contract for him would be terrible

I'm off the Trey Smith bandwagon. The guys I'd go after are Will Fries of the Colts or Mekhi Becton of the Eagles, but there will be a lot of competition. But either one should cost $ 7-8 million a year less than Trey Smith. But we definitely need to add a bona fide starter in Free Agency. We can't fix the O-Line only through the draft.

I agree that one of those guys should be our top target at OG. My reservation has little to do with Smith's playoff performance (but it doesn't help) but to do with I don't want to pay a guard the same money you would pay a top LT. I think Will Fries would be my top choice. He doesn't have the same injury issues as Becton. but, I could see us targeting both as well.

Becton/Dalman/Fries would be a hell of a restructure of the interior

[Almost Retired]

he was awful in the playoffs. huge contract for him would be terrible

I'm off the Trey Smith bandwagon. The guys I'd go after are Will Fries of the Colts or Mekhi Becton of the Eagles, but there will be a lot of competition. But either one should cost $ 7-8 million a year less than Trey Smith. But we definitely need to add a bona fide starter in Free Agency. We can't fix the O-Line only through the draft.

I agree that one of those guys should be our top target at OG. My reservation has little to do with Smith's playoff performance (but it doesn't help) but to do with I don't want to pay a guard the same money you would pay a top LT. I think Will Fries would be my top choice. He doesn't have the same injury issues as Becton. but, I could see us targeting both as well.

Becton/Dalman/Fries would be a hell of a restructure of the interior

If we pulled that off I'd go EDGE with #10 or go for a trade down and try to pick up another 3rd rounder for future depth at Safety or CB.

[patryk7754]

I'm off the Trey Smith bandwagon. The guys I'd go after are Will Fries of the Colts or Mekhi Becton of the Eagles, but there will be a lot of competition. But either one should cost $ 7-8 million a year less than Trey Smith. But we definitely need to add a bona fide starter in Free Agency. We can't fix the O-Line only through the draft.

I agree that one of those guys should be our top target at OG. My reservation has little to do with Smith's playoff performance (but it doesn't help) but to do with I don't want to pay a guard the same money you would pay a top LT. I think Will Fries would be my top choice. He doesn't have the same injury issues as Becton. but, I could see us targeting both as well.

Becton/Dalman/Fries would be a hell of a restructure of the interior

If we pulled that off I'd go EDGE with #10 or go for a trade down and try to pick up another 3rd rounder for future depth at Safety or CB.

Ultimately, I think my preference would be to sign Will Fries at RG (a little more expensive than becton but less risk) and Dalman to 4/5 year deals. To supplement that, I would sign someone to be a "bridge" LG. My top choice is Zeitler. He's one of the best OGs in the NFL, has the playing experience with Johnson, and because of his age, he will be dirt cheap - my guess is 4/5m. If not Zeitler, I would target Bitonio. He's a natural LG and still playing at a high level. He'd either be a trade target for something like a 6th or he probably gets cut (if he doesn't retire). Then I would either draft Donovan Jackon in round 2 or way to sign/draft their replacement in 2026. If we miss out on both of them, I would target Tyler Booker via a trade down in Round 1. This might be our best option. He'd be ready to start day one and we would acquire significant draft capital as well.

Then we can either chose to ride it out with Jones at LT or sign Stanley to just be the starter for the next 2/3 years.