How tainted would any future LeBron rings be with Luka as the main man?

[NBA_is_cringe]

You die hard Jordan fans/ LeBron haters are doing more to support James’ GOAT case every passing day. It’s pretty fun to see, a bit sad cause it’s kind of getting concerning though. There should be grass somewhere outside, go touch it. Or hell, smoke some lmao

There’s no GOAT case. And his championships will be treated like any player who has to be the second option and ride coat tails. He’s played eight more seasons, bandwagoned to multiple teams and still can’t catch Jordan, who three peated twice. I’m sorry but that’s a reality you’re going to eventually have to deal with. He can team up with the Silver family and it still won’t mean a damned thing because that other guy was just straight up better at the game and a better winner as well.

lebron is a better passer

[Edrees]

Depends, who gets finals MVP? If lebron gets it, it would catapult him up even if Luka was on the team.

[Dennis 37]

LeBron isn't tainted by not winning rings as the number 1. He is tainted by always requiring superstar help to win a championship.

[bubonicphoniks]

I don't think anyone judges LeBron as the GOAT due to amount of rings, at least I don't. Amount of rings says nothing about a player's greatness. LeBron is judged off what he did 03-20 not what he's doing right now.

You can say amount of rings doesn't say everything about a players greatness but to see it doesn't mean anything is just flat out wrong sorry.

[MrBigShot]

Whatever happens he has cemented himself as one of the 2 greatest players of all time

[SeattleJazzFan]

Depends, who gets finals MVP? If lebron gets it, it would catapult him up even if Luka was on the team.

exactly. it isn't a slam dunk that he wouldn't be the best player. either one of those guys who could have a huge playoffs or series and be considered the best player.

so far this year, lebron has been better.

[HMFFL]

Lebron's career has more meaning now. His son hyped him up some but Luka has extended Lebrons career. Lebron has no reason to retire now. Bronny and Lebron in the NBA Finals!

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[BigGargamel]

Zero chance this team gets past the Thunder or Nuggets. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Iwasawitness]

Even if he's second fiddle to Luka, being a major contributor to another championship at age 40 would only boost his legacy.

When it happened to other players, Lebron's fans ( and klutch' influencers ), kept telling us that those rings don't count...
They ridiculed everybody did it...

Who are these 40 year old players you speak of? Name them.

[SportsGuru08]

If, according to Bron slurpers and Klutch Sports clients, Scottie Pippen averaging 35 fewer PPG in Jordan's first playoff series win is a stain on Jordan's legacy, then LeBron being carried by Luka is the ultimate stain.

Sorry guys but those are the rules according to the Bron stans. Until they move the goalposts when the criteria is applied to LeBron. Like they always do.

[SportsGuru08]

I don't think anyone judges LeBron as the GOAT due to amount of rings, at least I don't. Amount of rings says nothing about a player's greatness. LeBron is judged off what he did 03-20 not what he's doing right now.

You can say amount of rings doesn't say everything about a players greatness but to see it doesn't mean anything is just flat out wrong sorry.

Bron stans didn't start embracing that narrative until his Finals losses started piling up.

[bubonicphoniks]

I don't think anyone judges LeBron as the GOAT due to amount of rings, at least I don't. Amount of rings says nothing about a player's greatness. LeBron is judged off what he did 03-20 not what he's doing right now.

You can say amount of rings doesn't say everything about a players greatness but to see it doesn't mean anything is just flat out wrong sorry.

Bron stans didn't start embracing that narrative until his Finals losses started piling up.

Exactly.

People forget the point of all the metrics, the stats, the records, are indicators for what players could give their team the best chance at a title. It just doesn't happen for some great players so we don't diminish their greatness, but the titles are why they play the game. The whole reason for lebrons hype was potential titles. The greatest ever just wouldn't have that finals record. Sorry. Great player but let's call it like it is.

[homecourtloss]

Saying someone “deserves hate” is a really messed up perspective on basketball and life in general.

Well, you guys are using the term “hate” loosely, so I’m just going by your definition. We don’t spend time thinking about our hate. We’re just tired of hearing about him and find him overrrated by you guys. It’s fairly simple and it’s just annoying to constantly be around, just like kobe hype back in the day.

I had a talk with a friend from another state who doesn’t even follow basketball and in a football talk he brought up lebron stating, “He just seems like a guy who keeps playing with some of the best players and hasn’t done much with it. I’m sick of hearing about him *laugh*”

To us, he and his fans are annoying and anti competitive. To you, it’s “hating”

to which I then gave my two cents and agreed, of course.

First off, anybody that has read your posts knows that isn't true. Secondly, you regularly update your signature which is dedicated to hating LeBron, so by definition you DO spend time thinking about your hate

[NbaAllDay]

Well, you guys are using the term “hate” loosely, so I’m just going by your definition. We don’t spend time thinking about our hate. We’re just tired of hearing about him and find him overrrated by you guys. It’s fairly simple and it’s just annoying to constantly be around, just like kobe hype back in the day.

I had a talk with a friend from another state who doesn’t even follow basketball and in a football talk he brought up lebron stating, “He just seems like a guy who keeps playing with some of the best players and hasn’t done much with it. I’m sick of hearing about him *laugh*”

To us, he and his fans are annoying and anti competitive. To you, it’s “hating”

to which I then gave my two cents and agreed, of course.

First off, anybody that has read your posts knows that isn't true. Secondly, you regularly update your signature which is dedicated to hating LeBron, so by definition you DO spend time thinking about your hate

When a big portion of your posts are hating on a player 'we don't spend our time thinking about our hate'

Probably half way true tbh, because most of the time 'thinking' clearly wasn't being applied.

[Nazrmohamed]

Zero taint folks. Zero taint. Hes old and he would go out on top. We still hatin?

[picko]

LeBron isn't tainted by not winning rings as the number 1. He is tainted by always requiring superstar help to win a championship.

But why does that taint LeBron but doesn't taint Kobe or Jordan or Magic or Russell?

It's not like those other guys were winning championships with a bunch of spuds. The Kobe / Shaq Lakers were, by far, the most talented team of their era and the same of course was true of the Jordan / Pippen Bulls and the Magic / Kareem Lakers. None of these guys were winning with ensembles who were greater than the sum of their parts.

We also know what it looked like when Kobe or Jordan weren't surrounded with elite talent. The results were often ugly. So why do some players get criticised for having 'help' while others have their 'help' ignored? Seems rather odd to me, unless people are being deliberately dense to drive an agenda.

[michaelm]

LeBron isn't tainted by not winning rings as the number 1. He is tainted by always requiring superstar help to win a championship.

But why does that taint LeBron but doesn't taint Kobe or Jordan or Magic or Russell?

It's not like those other guys were winning championships with a bunch of spuds. The Kobe / Shaq Lakers were, by far, the most talented team of their era and the same of course was true of the Jordan / Pippen Bulls and the Magic / Kareem Lakers. None of these guys were winning with ensembles who were greater than the sum of their parts.

We also know what it looked like when Kobe or Jordan weren't surrounded with elite talent. The results were often ugly. So why do some players get criticised for having 'help' while others have their 'help' ignored? Seems rather odd to me, unless people are being deliberately dense to drive an agenda.

It is complete nonsense to say it would be tainted of course.

If you have a look at the other thread in regard to the identity of the GOAT it is hardly only LeBron who has his titles devalued because of his team-mates however.

[Iwasawitness]

As for the question...i think each of LeBron's rings has some sort of asterisk to it, 2016 and 2020 being the worst. But this would simply not count in my opinion. He'd still be stuck at 4, less than Kobe, Tim and also of course not close to MJ.

The whole thing is funny. Like, when i claimed Jokic has already passed LBJ then the one argument against it is usually "but...but...ringzz!" At the same time, when holding rings against LBJ, they dont matter, nor does the way they were won. Guys cant make up their minds. There was a phase when they kept telling us rings are all that mattered, because it justified his ring chasing and super team collusion. Also 10-15 years ago i guess they thought its safe to bet on him to win 5 or more. Well too bad, that ship has sailed and they were forced to flip the script once again. Now, suddenly, its not rings, or MVP's or what ever that matters in the GOAT debate but only longevity, even if you dont play any defense for the last five years of your career...

Straight truth

He's never won a ring where he didn't have the most overwhelmingly talented team, even in the middle of his prime.


Nobody played with more talent while possessing more talent than Lebron. OK maybe KD did on the Dubs but he straight up dominated the league and won titles not even breaking a sweat.

Lebrons circumstances means he should have Bill Russell amount of rings if we're being honest here

That's not true. He was the underdog versus the Warriors, Spurs.

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It's sashaturiaf. He's known for saying bat **** insane things about LeBron. This shouldn't surprise you.

Saying someone “deserves hate” is a really messed up perspective on basketball and life in general.

Well, you guys are using the term “hate” loosely, so I’m just going by your definition. We don’t spend time thinking about our hate. We’re just tired of hearing about him and find him overrrated by you guys. It’s fairly simple and it’s just annoying to constantly be around, just like kobe hype back in the day.

I had a talk with a friend from another state who doesn’t even follow basketball and in a football talk he brought up lebron stating, “He just seems like a guy who keeps playing with some of the best players and hasn’t done much with it. I’m sick of hearing about him *laugh*”

To us, he and his fans are annoying and anti competitive. To you, it’s “hating”

to which I then gave my two cents and agreed, of course.

First off, anybody that has read your posts knows that isn't true. Secondly, you regularly update your signature which is dedicated to hating LeBron, so by definition you DO spend time thinking about your hate

Alright, I apologize for what I've said in the past. You've redeemed yourself.

[bubonicphoniks]

LeBron isn't tainted by not winning rings as the number 1. He is tainted by always requiring superstar help to win a championship.

But why does that taint LeBron but doesn't taint Kobe or Jordan or Magic or Russell?

It's not like those other guys were winning championships with a bunch of spuds. The Kobe / Shaq Lakers were, by far, the most talented team of their era and the same of course was true of the Jordan / Pippen Bulls and the Magic / Kareem Lakers. None of these guys were winning with ensembles who were greater than the sum of their parts.

We also know what it looked like when Kobe or Jordan weren't surrounded with elite talent. The results were often ugly. So why do some players get criticised for having 'help' while others have their 'help' ignored? Seems rather odd to me, unless people are being deliberately dense to drive an agenda.

Well for starters those other guys you named stayed on the same team and didn't hop teams.

Second Lebrons failures when he's had tailor made teams the past 15 years. Sure Kobe, Magic, Mike, and Russell had amazing teammates but Lebrons had many more highly decorated team mates over his career than all of them and had less success.

So for starters, that's why.

[bledredwine]

Straight truth

He's never won a ring where he didn't have the most overwhelmingly talented team, even in the middle of his prime.


Nobody played with more talent while possessing more talent than Lebron. OK maybe KD did on the Dubs but he straight up dominated the league and won titles not even breaking a sweat.

Lebrons circumstances means he should have Bill Russell amount of rings if we're being honest here

That's not true. He was the underdog versus the Warriors, Spurs.

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It's sashaturiaf. He's known for saying bat **** insane things about LeBron. This shouldn't surprise you.

Well, you guys are using the term “hate” loosely, so I’m just going by your definition. We don’t spend time thinking about our hate. We’re just tired of hearing about him and find him overrrated by you guys. It’s fairly simple and it’s just annoying to constantly be around, just like kobe hype back in the day.

I had a talk with a friend from another state who doesn’t even follow basketball and in a football talk he brought up lebron stating, “He just seems like a guy who keeps playing with some of the best players and hasn’t done much with it. I’m sick of hearing about him *laugh*”

To us, he and his fans are annoying and anti competitive. To you, it’s “hating”

to which I then gave my two cents and agreed, of course.

First off, anybody that has read your posts knows that isn't true. Secondly, you regularly update your signature which is dedicated to hating LeBron, so by definition you DO spend time thinking about your hate

Alright, I apologize for what I've said in the past. You've redeemed yourself.

Children, children, you're all so upset

I get it- it must be frustrating for you all, especially after following him for so long and he hasn't even caught Kobe.