PG: Knicks vs ATL

[Lord Commander]

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Que?!?!

[thebuzzardman]

Since the team is off for a few days I'd like to hope we can spend the next few days in a rigorous debate over the proper way to root for and criticize the team.

[3toheadmelo]

“The problem is the roster” “the problem is the coach”

TWENTY

EIGHT

YEARS

The problem? The PROBLEM???

We’re 38-16.

Our record against all opponents so far this season:

Over .500: 11-12
Under .500: 25-6

Top 3 Teams: 0-5
Bottom 7 Teams: 17-1
Rest of League: 19-12

You need to forgive people who have higher expectations. The team is built and paid in salary to win now - and by win we mean a title. We made all these flurry of moves. Ending up as a 2nd round exit again wouldn’t really be a success.

Yep. The fact that we’re pretty much the same team or less from the past 2 years with no assets is such a massive disappointment. You’d think a team that went all in this summer would be much better against the elite teams. If anything we look worse. Especially defensively.

[Clyde_Style]

Since the team is off for a few days I'd like to hope we can spend the next few days in a rigorous debate over the proper way to root for and criticize the team.

NO!

That is not allowed.

Resistance is Futile.

Assimilate or Die.

[Jeff Van Gully]

the final horn was especially enriching this morning.

it’s always better to win and learn than lose and learn.

yes, indeed.

Yeah no doubt . On the should have called timeout issue, they clearly should have, but also we struggle inbounding the ball even out of a timeout. So maybe they didn’t want to let them get their defense set to guard the inbounds and pass it in quick and that was part of the plan. Which obviously failed spectacularly. But they should probably practice these inbounds situations more or at least make sure the ball is in the hands of a player who they can trust to not F it up. Something they can hopefully learn from so it doesn’t happen in a more meaningful moment

this crossed my mind.

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[Jalen Bluntson]

We already use to having a good team. We tryna get past the second round. Y’all think this will work? It’s ok to point out flaws in wins. Knicks have a lot to work on if they are trying to win a chip. If they want to win 50 games and excite casual fans then they can keep doing what they are doing.

People can save their tears bro. I ain't handing out tissues for people who can't appreciate a winning team. Used to a good team? Muthafuqqas been crying about this team ALL SEASON!! If that ain't you then good for you. I didn't say anything about pointing out flaws in wins. Not sure why you are coming at me on that front. Thibs is the biggest flaw we have and I have let it be known PLENTY. I don't have time for the constant BS cry baby garbage posts as if nothing is good enough around here though. Crying about the future that hasn't happened and disrespectful to people who are enjoying the present? Those people can kiss my entire ass!

This team has been together for 3.5 months. We replaced 9-10 players from last years battered and tattered roster that Jalen carried to the 2nd round on his back!! We are just getting warmed up. Maybe we fall short in the playoffs. So what? It takes YEARS to build a championship team. Not weeks. We are very close and I am sick of the mutts in here crying about everything. It's fuggin ridiculous. Acting like none of this matters? FOH with that BS.CRY BABIES NEED A DIAPER CHANGE? STFU AND GTFO. There is plenty of room on the GB for pussies like that.

Yeah bro you not watching ball you just happy for the win. If this was a loss we would not be seeing this happy go lucky bs lmao. Y’all know I’m right. So many flaws we must fix to get better. I’m the biggest homer in here I just call it how I see it. If yall want to point out stats, point out our defensive stats tell me if that’s going to win a chip or get us far in playoffs. All of a sudden yall forgot the Celtics game? We did the same things this game man stop playing.

Hard headed just wanna be right. Call it how you see it.

Try again bro. Miss me with your nonsense. I missed about 7 games all season. I have pointed out the teams flaws MANY MANY TIMES throughout this season. What I don't do is go stat phucking to act like I can predict the future like you and many other clowns(not you) do when they are "calling it like it is".

I point out ALL of our stats every week in the current product thread. Try reading the room before you speak.

Hard headed and just want to be right? Then you proceed to talk out your ass. Good job. Go cry in the corner with the rest of babies then. I don't have time for that shyt. I choose to try and enjoy winning and looking forward. You stats geeks try to act like you know every damn thing. There's a big difference. Reality says we are top 4 in the league even with our flaws. Not too shabby.

This has been a great season and I look forward to watching this playoff run. No matter how far we go. You do you. Just don't come at me with your BS.

[Clyde_Style]

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Precious was a nice throw-in on the OG deal.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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jordanian. iversonian.

[KnixinSix]

lol giving up 140+ points to a terrible hawks team but apparently this is the best Knicks team of the century.

They been saying it’s team defense but it’s really having OG (and to a much lesser point Bridges) out there.
OG does so much on that end, a bit like Mitch before he turned into the hulk.
Looking forward to having Mitch back.

If we can move KAT for Giannes, you do it. (After the Luka” trade”, anything is possible.)
I don’t see a starting unit with Brunson and KAT being able to win it all.
Not with 3 wings trying to make up for it.

I also don’t think Thibs is the right coach.
Wish Bryant was our coach. They shi* the bed there.

You could argue that Mitch when healthy and OG are the two most impactful defenders for a Thibodeau system.

I want to see how the defense looks when we have Mitch patrolling the paint.

There is no question that a different coach would get these guys playing better defensively though. Let's see if at least Thibs can make it look good again when he has his 7 foot rim protector in the middle.

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jordanian. iversonian.

One thing is for sure.

Any time the game is on the line we have a good chance to win because

[Jeff Van Gully]

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jordanian. iversonian.

One thing is for sure.

Any time the game is on the line we have a good chance to win because

very

[Clyde_Style]

lol giving up 140+ points to a terrible hawks team but apparently this is the best Knicks team of the century.

They been saying it’s team defense but it’s really having OG (and to a much lesser point Bridges) out there.
OG does so much on that end, a bit like Mitch before he turned into the hulk.
Looking forward to having Mitch back.

If we can move KAT for Giannes, you do it. (After the Luka” trade”, anything is possible.)
I don’t see a starting unit with Brunson and KAT being able to win it all.
Not with 3 wings trying to make up for it.

I also don’t think Thibs is the right coach.
Wish Bryant was our coach. They shi* the bed there.

You could argue that Mitch when healthy and OG are the two most impactful defenders for a Thibodeau system.

I want to see how the defense looks when we have Mitch patrolling the paint.

There's no doubt that if both OG and Mitch were healthy for a full playoff run we could make a title run this year.

History says that is unlikely to happen, so it's a wait and see

Without them, we don't do crap in the playoffs though. We just don't have the developed rotational depth with defensive size to go deep into the playoffs.

[ScienceOfLosing]

For those foolishly hoping Thibs gets fired, what other coach that is currently available or could be available would have this current roster, with their lack of depth, injuries etc, have them at 36-18? And before you give me the same old bs that Thibs isn’t the guy to win them a ring, I can promise you if the knicks don’t win a ring with this core, it will not be a coaching issue, it will be the talent/experience/depth from other teams will be the reason..not the coach..

WHEN we don’t win it will be because of injuries/attrition. (aka The Thibs Dilemma.)
We should have fired Thibs and promoted Bryant.
Now we’re between a rock and a hard place.

btw - I mostly like Thibs but his stubborness, lack of quick adjustments, lack of in game rookie development, etc…

So let’s look at this logically, you think a coach that has and still has ZERO head coach experience is all of a sudden going to come in and have this team with this current roster have a better record than they currently have and give them a better chance at a ring, truly based on ZERO actual facts or experience to back it up..again just a foolish take

Logically? Look at what he’s done in Cleveland.

[Jalen Bluntson]

They been saying it’s team defense but it’s really having OG (and to a much lesser point Bridges) out there.
OG does so much on that end, a bit like Mitch before he turned into the hulk.
Looking forward to having Mitch back.

If we can move KAT for Giannes, you do it. (After the Luka” trade”, anything is possible.)
I don’t see a starting unit with Brunson and KAT being able to win it all.
Not with 3 wings trying to make up for it.

I also don’t think Thibs is the right coach.
Wish Bryant was our coach. They shi* the bed there.

You could argue that Mitch when healthy and OG are the two most impactful defenders for a Thibodeau system.

I want to see how the defense looks when we have Mitch patrolling the paint.

There's no doubt that if both OG and Mitch were healthy for a full playoff run we could make a title run this year.

History says that is unlikely to happen, so it's a wait and see

Without them, we don't do crap in the playoffs though. We just don't have the developed rotational depth with defensive size to go deep into the playoffs.

This is my take as well. We need everyone healthy to have a real shot and even then, being the best is not that easy. Boston had a fairly easy run to the finals last season. Every team they played was missing their best players or had injuries to their best players. Except for the Pacers who didn't deserve to be in the ECF at all. We were the depleted team that helped them get there. Lucky for Boston.

There's 28 games left and then the playoffs start. We shall see what happens then. In the meantime, I'm gonna enjoy the ride as much as I can.

[HarthorneWingo]

The problem? The PROBLEM???

We’re 38-16.

Our record against all opponents so far this season:

Over .500: 11-12
Under .500: 25-6

Top 3 Teams: 0-5
Bottom 7 Teams: 17-1
Rest of League: 19-12

You need to forgive people who have higher expectations. The team is built and paid in salary to win now - and by win we mean a title. We made all these flurry of moves. Ending up as a 2nd round exit again wouldn’t really be a success.

Yep. The fact that we’re pretty much the same team or less from the past 2 years with no assets is such a massive disappointment. You’d think a team that went all in this summer would be much better against the elite teams. If anything we look worse. Especially defensively.

You’re just being salty because you’re boy isn’t here anymore.

[spree8]

lol giving up 140+ points to a terrible hawks team but apparently this is the best Knicks team of the century.

They been saying it’s team defense but it’s really having OG (and to a much lesser point Bridges) out there.
OG does so much on that end, a bit like Mitch before he turned into the hulk.
Looking forward to having Mitch back.

If we can move KAT for Giannes, you do it. (After the Luka” trade”, anything is possible.)
I don’t see a starting unit with Brunson and KAT being able to win it all.
Not with 3 wings trying to make up for it.

I also don’t think Thibs is the right coach.
Wish Bryant was our coach. They shi* the bed there.

You could argue that Mitch when healthy and OG are the two most impactful defenders for a Thibodeau system.

I want to see how the defense looks when we have Mitch patrolling the paint.

There is no question that a different coach would get these guys playing better defensively though. Let's see if at least Thibs can make it look good again when he has his 7 foot rim protector in the middle.

I’m just praying that Mitch gives us some kind of boost along with Thibs staying consistent with a 9+ rotation (and giving Delon a shot) to keep these guys fresh because we need that #1 spot if we want a realistic chance to go all the way. We’re only 8 games behind.

Things can/will obviously change, but as it stands now, facing the Bulls/Hawks in round 1 and Pacers/Bucks in round 2 is far better than the Pistons in round 1 and Celtics in round 2.

We talk about the players getting rest, but hopefully this break gives the old man time to unwind and reassess some things in his strategy/approach for this important push.

[ScienceOfLosing]

lol giving up 140+ points to a terrible hawks team but apparently this is the best Knicks team of the century.

They been saying it’s team defense but it’s really having OG (and to a much lesser point Bridges) out there.
OG does so much on that end, a bit like Mitch before he turned into the hulk.
Looking forward to having Mitch back.

If we can move KAT for Giannes, you do it. (After the Luka” trade”, anything is possible.)
I don’t see a starting unit with Brunson and KAT being able to win it all.
Not with 3 wings trying to make up for it.

I also don’t think Thibs is the right coach.
Wish Bryant was our coach. They shi* the bed there.

You could argue that Mitch when healthy and OG are the two most impactful defenders for a Thibodeau system.

I want to see how the defense looks when we have Mitch patrolling the paint.

There is no question that a different coach would get these guys playing better defensively though. Let's see if at least Thibs can make it look good again when he has his 7 foot rim protector in the middle.

Definitely!

I want to see Mitch out there but with Hart being minutes trustworthy, you think Thibs removes him for Mitch (later in the year?)
Maybe he removes Bridges, but with that salary?

With Thibs, not to simplify, but on defense, just stop protecting the paint at the cost of open 3’s.
???

[HarthorneWingo]

“The problem is the roster” “the problem is the coach”

TWENTY

EIGHT

YEARS

The problem? The PROBLEM???

We’re 38-16.

36-18 but who's counting? We do have a serious problem though if we want to win a championship. There's 28 games left in the regular season to see if it gets fixed in time.

Once we get Mitch and OG back playing we’ll be okay

[Richard4444]

“The problem is the roster” “the problem is the coach”

TWENTY

EIGHT

YEARS

The problem? The PROBLEM???

We’re 38-16.

Our record against all opponents so far this season:

Over .500: 11-12
Under .500: 25-6

Top 3 Teams: 0-5
Bottom 7 Teams: 17-1
Rest of League: 19-12

You need to forgive people who have higher expectations. The team is built and paid in salary to win now - and by win we mean a title. We made all these flurry of moves. Ending up as a 2nd round exit again wouldn’t really be a success.

Would it be better if we were losing to crap teams?