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[chonestown]

Just asking, not claiming he should be a starter or anything just wondering if Sims is going to play at all or was he just a acquisition to get under the second apron ?

Inclined to think the second. Not a lot of bigs on hand and doesn't bode well that Sims couldn't get tick while Giannis was out.

[Frank Nova]

I used to post on the MJS forum along time ago. It really didn't have moderators so it was a complete shjt show So very grateful for this site. Thank you.

Superblogger wasn't the mod?

It had MBBOT going nuts over there (as well as here) if I remember correctly.

Still to this day I’ve never seen a more animated poster than MBBOT. The amount of smilies he would use to really drive home a thought/statement/opinion was other worldly. He’s a goated poster for that alone. I loved reading his outrageous stuff. He was so passionate about the stuff he said and had no shame whatsoever and I always found that admirable. What ever happened to him?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I used to post on the MJS forum along time ago. It really didn't have moderators so it was a complete shjt show So very grateful for this site. Thank you.

Superblogger wasn't the mod?

It had MBBOT going nuts over there (as well as here) if I remember correctly.

skinnyoprah is who was the end of that place

[Packbuckman]

Kuzma played better D last night than Middleton has all season. Was a breath of fresh air in that regard.

Dame
Trent
Kuzma
Giannis
Brook

KPJ
Green
Bobby

Decent rotation if KPJ can build on his performance last night and if Green's shot comes back around by playoff time. At this point Ajax should be benched. Love his hustle but there's no way he should be getting minutes over Trent, Green, or KPJ going forward.

For defensive purposes yes he would he’s bigger and more athletic same with prince being bigger to guard bigger wings. You can go 9 or even 10 deep on matchups and who’s playing better that nite especially if Ajax keeps being more aggressive he was 4-6 against minny and played good D and Prince has been solid especially his 3 pt shooting.

[ShootingtheJ]

Just asking, not claiming he should be a starter or anything just wondering if Sims is going to play at all or was he just a acquisition to get under the second apron ?

His acquisition didn't effect the apron, so if he doesn't eventually play, it would signal a disconnect between the coach and the GM.

Another possibility is the team was awfully close to trading Bobby or Brook, so they thought they were going to need Sims. We haven't heard anything leaked yet though that would suggest another deal was imminent.

[Baddy Chuck]

Just asking, not claiming he should be a starter or anything just wondering if Sims is going to play at all or was he just a acquisition to get under the second apron ?

Inclined to think the second. Not a lot of bigs on hand and doesn't bode well that Sims couldn't get tick while Giannis was out.

I'd assume its just that he has to learn the system. Sure we could throw him out there and let him go full Thanasis but if he wants to spell any minutes he probably has to have a little more than just energy and athleticism. Where guys like Kuzma and KPJ are talented players, Sims is not, so just throwing him to the wolves probably hurts more than it helps.

[Green_Growing]

Since there is a lag until the next game due to all star weekend and because this board tends to be repetitive, I thought I would introduce a couple new discussion items:
1) Many of you claim Doc Rivers is an outmoded coach who doesn't innovate and that the game has passed him by, etc. Yet some of you show admiration for the assistants on the staff which include Ham, Prunti, Dave Joerger and Rex. That is 4 experienced assistants who have had previous head coaching gigs. So if Doc is in fact outmoded and not putting the best product on the floor, then what is holding back these 4 assistants from convincing Doc to implement other things? I can not fathom these adults are too afraid, cowardly, dense, lazy or whatever - from pulling Doc aside and being vocal about lineup changes, new schemes, etc. Doc or any leader is smart enough to be open to new ideas and ways of doing things. Most of us do not know what goes on behind the scenes with a team and all we know is what we see at game time. However, a small number of you probably do know how a team functions behind the scenes, in practice, in coaching circles, etc. Those are the ones I would like to hear about this and not just conjecture. Again, it seems unbelievable that these assistants and Doc himself, are not aware of the best coaching schemes and practices for the modern NBA that people like Spo and Atkinson are using and not implement them here. These assistants must have good innovative ideas. Are they not sharing them? Is Doc too stubborn to try some of them or listen? I can not believe he would be. Let's hear about the dynamics within coaching staff.
2) It would be interesting to learn the best player development methods used by other teams and why that does not happen with the Bucks. I remember years ago commentators used to praise the continual player development methods of the Portland Trail Blazers back when they had players like T.R Dunn and others. At that time, Portland regularly took raw players and developed them into solid contributors. I would think that would be even easier today with the G-League, increased coaching staffs, better sports science and so on. I know coaches want to win now and tend to favor playing vets, but how is it the Heat continually turn prospects into contributing players and other teams don't? Besides playing g-leagues games, what is the coaching regiment like for young players to develop? Again, it would be good to know what goes on with teams that the average fan does not know because all they see is the game.

I share the kudos to the moderators for running a good board.

[tedbrogen]

Just asking, not claiming he should be a starter or anything just wondering if Sims is going to play at all or was he just a acquisition to get under the second apron ?

His acquisition didn't effect the apron, so if he doesn't eventually play, it would signal a disconnect between the coach and the GM.

Another possibility is the team was awfully close to trading Bobby or Brook, so they thought they were going to need Sims. We haven't heard anything leaked yet though that would suggest another deal was imminent.

It did leak that the Bucks told Bobby’s agent to explore trades. So there was always a chance Bobby would get moved. Makes sense to grab Sims for nothing in case that happened. If not, insurance in case of injury. Too bad their two way big is completely unplayable.

[paulpressey25]

Since there is a lag until the next game due to all star weekend and because this board tends to be repetitive, I thought I would introduce a couple new discussion items:
1) Many of you claim Doc Rivers is an outmoded coach who doesn't innovate and that the game has passed him by, etc. Yet some of you show admiration for the assistants on the staff which include Ham, Prunti, Dave Joerger and Rex. That is 4 experienced assistants who have had previous head coaching gigs.

Bonus points for any poster who references TR Dunn

I don’t know what to make of that coaching staff with four former head coaches on it. All I know is I watched the team get thoroughly out-coached by Golden State the other night. I’m not going to pretend I understand all the x and o’s of an NBA game but we continuously were getting trapped and stripped and made zero adjustments on it.

[KidA24]

Since there is a lag until the next game due to all star weekend and because this board tends to be repetitive, I thought I would introduce a couple new discussion items:
1) Many of you claim Doc Rivers is an outmoded coach who doesn't innovate and that the game has passed him by, etc. Yet some of you show admiration for the assistants on the staff which include Ham, Prunti, Dave Joerger and Rex. That is 4 experienced assistants who have had previous head coaching gigs.

Bonus points for any poster who references TR Dunn

I don’t know what to make of that coaching staff with four former head coaches on it. All I know is I watched the team get thoroughly out-coached by Golden State the other night. I’m not going to pretend I understand all the x and o’s of an NBA game but we continuously were getting trapped and stripped and made zero adjustments on it.

I won't pretend to understand secondary and tertiary actions, but we are running an offense from 2002 where if the first action doesn't work, we either try again or throw an 18 foot post up.

Bucks getting trapped, you call timeout, explain the three simple ways to beat it, "Here's how you help Dame..."

We are a low bbiq team. We got lower getting rid of Khris.

How many guys on the team see the play before it happens? Consistently make the pass before the pass for the shot?

[AussieBuck]

Superblogger wasn't the mod?

It had MBBOT going nuts over there (as well as here) if I remember correctly.

Still to this day I’ve never seen a more animated poster than MBBOT. The amount of smilies he would use to really drive home a thought/statement/opinion was other worldly. He’s a goated poster for that alone. I loved reading his outrageous stuff. He was so passionate about the stuff he said and had no shame whatsoever and I always found that admirable. What ever happened to him?

I think he may have gone off his meds or something. He snapped and got banned IIRC.

[slos]

Is that 2031 FRP enough for Avdija? Love the player, the contract and the fit. Having two 6’9’ young and athletic forwards could be the key to unlock Giannis at C lineups.

Pat + Livingston + 2031 FRP for Avdija works. I would still talk if Portland pushes for something more. Use the tax-MLE for NAW, the BAE for Trent, resign Bobby in another long team friendly deal, keep Brook with minimum to rest Giannis.

Dame/KPJ/Rollins
NAW/Green/#45
Avdija/Trent/Jackson
Kuzma/Bobby/Prince
Giannis/Brook/Smith

Finish the job Horst.

[BigO]

Since there is a lag until the next game due to all star weekend and because this board tends to be repetitive, I thought I would introduce a couple new discussion items:
1) Many of you claim Doc Rivers is an outmoded coach who doesn't innovate and that the game has passed him by, etc. Yet some of you show admiration for the assistants on the staff which include Ham, Prunti, Dave Joerger and Rex. That is 4 experienced assistants who have had previous head coaching gigs.

Bonus points for any poster who references TR Dunn

I don’t know what to make of that coaching staff with four former head coaches on it. All I know is I watched the team get thoroughly out-coached by Golden State the other night. I’m not going to pretend I understand all the x and o’s of an NBA game but we continuously were getting trapped and stripped and made zero adjustments on it.

I don't buy that Doc is a bad coach and the other Buck's coaches are apparently irrelevant.

To fit a narrative you can always find examples in a game to make your point one way or the other.

The fact is that talent almost always prevails and the Buccks are lacking.

They don't have good ballhandlers who can break presses and other teams know that. That's not Doc's fault. You can't just scheme your way to make up for lack of talent.

Last night, Minnesota easily beat OKC and Minnesota was on a back to back. Does that mean Doc is a better coach than the Minnesota guy becauase the Bucks beat them short handed?

[Badgerlander]

Just asking, not claiming he should be a starter or anything just wondering if Sims is going to play at all or was he just a acquisition to get under the second apron ?

Inclined to think the second. Not a lot of bigs on hand and doesn't bode well that Sims couldn't get tick while Giannis was out.

Sims was about to slide to 5th on the depth chart in New York with Mitchell coming back. We’ve desperately needed another big for years now. Sims is yet another fringe nba/g league level guy. We have a club option for next year and his deal is only gtd for 600k so this is a tryout to make next years Herd squad.

[drew881]

Are there any anticipated buy out guys if Sims isn’t good enough?

[randy84]

Since there is a lag until the next game due to all star weekend and because this board tends to be repetitive, I thought I would introduce a couple new discussion items:
1) Many of you claim Doc Rivers is an outmoded coach who doesn't innovate and that the game has passed him by, etc.
2) It would be interesting to learn the best player development methods used by other teams and why that does not happen with the Bucks.
I share the kudos to the moderators for running a good board.

I would say that assistants are just that, assistants. They don't make the final decisions. Sometimes you might get too much input as I am sure even the assistants don't always agree on lineups, strategy etc... I remember Doc saying that when AJ Green was breaking out that his daughter told him that he should play Green more. I am sure Ham is partial to Prince from their time in LA. So the lineups decision could be based on how Doc is feeling at the time or other factors besides what just the assistants say.

I never understand the philosophy that if you are developing a player they must start. LIke any job, I would think you would work your way up and start out by coming in with the second team. I also think that some players just don't develop. Sometimes they have hit their ceiling just making an NBA roster. Just because someone like LIvingston or Ajax or T. Smith plays more doesn't mean that they will develop into something.

[randy84]

Is that 2031 FRP enough for Avdija? Love the player, the contract and the fit. Having two 6’9’ young and athletic forwards could be the key to unlock Giannis at C lineups.

Pat + Livingston + 2031 FRP for Avdija works. I would still talk if Portland pushes for something more. Use the tax-MLE for NAW, the BAE for Trent, resign Bobby in another long team friendly deal, keep Brook with minimum to rest Giannis.

Dame/KPJ/Rollins
NAW/Green/#45
Avdija/Trent/Jackson
Kuzma/Bobby/Prince
Giannis/Brook/Smith

Finish the job Horst.

Probably not since Portland traded two first round picks to get him.

[jmuelly]

Since there is a lag until the next game due to all star weekend and because this board tends to be repetitive, I thought I would introduce a couple new discussion items:
1) Many of you claim Doc Rivers is an outmoded coach who doesn't innovate and that the game has passed him by, etc. Yet some of you show admiration for the assistants on the staff which include Ham, Prunti, Dave Joerger and Rex. That is 4 experienced assistants who have had previous head coaching gigs.

Bonus points for any poster who references TR Dunn

I don’t know what to make of that coaching staff with four former head coaches on it. All I know is I watched the team get thoroughly out-coached by Golden State the other night. I’m not going to pretend I understand all the x and o’s of an NBA game but we continuously were getting trapped and stripped and made zero adjustments on it.

Easy answer is you don't see the adjustment or improved execution and that contributes to why they are former head coaches.
I understand there was probably more to some losing their jobs than just basketball or that their teams were not setup to win. I think there is also something to be said of having some young, hungry motivated coaches on your staff too. Who is the Taylor Jenkins of this staff? Who is that guy on this staff that will one day be a HC somewhere else? That considered, with the seniority and experience this staff has, would a younger lesser experienced coach even stand a chance suggesting an adjustment?

Is there any other staff in the league with a larger collection of retreads?

[jmuelly]

Since there is a lag until the next game due to all star weekend and because this board tends to be repetitive, I thought I would introduce a couple new discussion items:
1) Many of you claim Doc Rivers is an outmoded coach who doesn't innovate and that the game has passed him by, etc.
2) It would be interesting to learn the best player development methods used by other teams and why that does not happen with the Bucks.
I share the kudos to the moderators for running a good board.

I would say that assistants are just that, assistants. They don't make the final decisions. Sometimes you might get too much input as I am sure even the assistants don't always agree on lineups, strategy etc... I remember Doc saying that when AJ Green was breaking out that his daughter told him that he should play Green more. I am sure Ham is partial to Prince from their time in LA. So the lineups decision could be based on how Doc is feeling at the time or other factors besides what just the assistants say.

I never understand the philosophy that if you are developing a player they must start. LIke any job, I would think you would work your way up and start out by coming in with the second team. I also think that some players just don't develop. Sometimes they have hit their ceiling just making an NBA roster. Just because someone like LIvingston or Ajax or T. Smith plays more doesn't mean that they will develop into something.

Well said. The human side of it really play a large factor. You can probably look at even any high school in the area. There will be kids probably getting more or less opportunities based on relationships past or present.

[crowhead76]

Is that 2031 FRP enough for Avdija? Love the player, the contract and the fit. Having two 6’9’ young and athletic forwards could be the key to unlock Giannis at C lineups.

Pat + Livingston + 2031 FRP for Avdija works. I would still talk if Portland pushes for something more. Use the tax-MLE for NAW, the BAE for Trent, resign Bobby in another long team friendly deal, keep Brook with minimum to rest Giannis.

Dame/KPJ/Rollins
NAW/Green/#45
Avdija/Trent/Jackson
Kuzma/Bobby/Prince
Giannis/Brook/Smith

Finish the job Horst.

Would love this but I think Avdija will be difficult to pry away from the Blazers. If Bobby and Pat opt it another move to look for might be Cam Johnson.

Dame/KPJ/Rollins
NAW/Green/#45
Johnson/Trent/Jackson
Kuzma/Prince/Livingston
Giannis/Brook/Smith