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Re: Packers News, Transactions - 2025 off-season - Sterling Sharpe HOF 

Post#1721 » by MVP2110 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:55 pm

Treebeard wrote:Acmepackingcompany.com's take on Interior DLine Free Agents(using PFF data):

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/2/12/24364082/2025-nfl-free-agency-advanced-stats-for-the-defensive-tackle-class-green-bay-packers

]Packers Defensive Tackles

+14.7 pressures vs. average: Devonte Wyatt (13th among 68 qualifiers)
+5.8: Kenny Clark (23rd)
-6.2: Karl Brooks (41st)
-7.1: T.J. Slaton (43rd)

I can hear the comment section starting up already. The numbers must be bunk if Devonte Wyatt is this high on the list. Here’s what I’ll say; these are the players who rank above Wyatt in pressures versus average: Quinnen Williams, Zach Allen, Osa Odighizuwa, DeForest Buckner, Ed Oliver, Chris Jones, Javon Hargrave, Dexter Lawrence, Nnamdi Madubuike (formerly Justin Madubuike), Maliek Collins, Jarren Reed and Christian Wilkins. Just behind him are the likes of Jalen Carter, Jeffery Simmons, Leonard Williams and Arik Armstead. Those are the league’s top defensive tackles.

The problem isn’t that Wyatt doesn’t produce when he’s on the field. It’s that he’s not on the field enough. Wyatt’s 11.9 percent pressure rate is better than all but Quinnen Williams, Hargrave, Odighizuwa, Buckner, Allen and Jones among qualifiers. The difference? Of the 12 players who rank above Wyatt in pressures versus average, they have averaged 755 pass-rushing snaps over the past two seasons. Wyatt has only posted 447 compared to Allen’s 1,011


Top Free Agent Defensive Tackles

+28.7: Osa Odighizuwa (3rd)
+17.5: Jarran Reed (11th)
+7.2: Milton Williams (22nd)
-6.7: Tershawn Wharton (42nd)
-9.5: B.J. Hill (48th)
-20.5: D.J. Jones (63rd)

As far as the free agent class goes, there are not many qualifiers who are going to be free agents. This shouldn’t be a surprise to people who follow the sport closely. Franchises rarely let quality linemen walk for nothing.

There are really three needle movers in this class. Two, Dallas’ Osa Odighizuwa and Philadelphia’s Milton Williams, are one-dimensional players. For perspective, at the combine, Odighizuwa was measured in at 282 pounds while Williams was 284. Both are quality pass-rushing defensive tackles, but adding them to the roster in Green Bay would only be multiplying the Packers’ Wyatt problem. It wouldn’t solve it.


They aren't seeing much FA help available from this group


This draft is supposedly stacked with DL talent. I wouldnt mind at all taking a couple DL early on
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Re: Packers News, Transactions - 2025 off-season - Sterling Sharpe HOF 

Post#1722 » by ReddRum » Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:15 pm

Profound23 wrote:You can only make one move:
Davante as a FA 2/40 with most of it guaranteed

Trade a third and late round pick for Deebo and sign him to an extension 3/75 with 37mil guaranteed

Trade a second for DK with an extension 3/80 with 45 mil guaranteed

Sign Tee Higgins as a FA to 4/135 mil with 95 mil guaranteed

Stick with what we have and draft a wr somewhere between 2nd-4th round

Don't address wr position at all

Which one are you choosing?


Easily DK for me but would that leave enough left for a big signing / trade on defense like a Maxx Crosby or Myles Garrett? If not then I would go hard after one of those 2 first and then you have to draft a WR in the 1st round imo because I don't want our #1 WR to need 3 years to develop. I prefer win now talent at that position in the draft if possible. In 2024 our WR room went from exciting in week 1 to extremely underwhelming / decimated at the end of the year...
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Post#1723 » by Profound23 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 3:32 pm

ReddRum wrote:
Profound23 wrote:You can only make one move:
Davante as a FA 2/40 with most of it guaranteed

Trade a third and late round pick for Deebo and sign him to an extension 3/75 with 37mil guaranteed

Trade a second for DK with an extension 3/80 with 45 mil guaranteed

Sign Tee Higgins as a FA to 4/135 mil with 95 mil guaranteed

Stick with what we have and draft a wr somewhere between 2nd-4th round

Don't address wr position at all

Which one are you choosing?


Easily DK for me but would that leave enough left for a big signing / trade on defense like a Maxx Crosby or Myles Garrett? If not then I would go hard after one of those 2 first and then you have to draft a WR in the 1st round imo because I don't want our #1 WR to need 3 years to develop. I prefer win now talent at that position in the draft if possible. In 2024 our WR room went from exciting in week 1 to extremely underwhelming / decimated at the end of the year...



Either way I would probably avoid most of these wide receivers at these prices, but I agree no matter what I am going hard at any of the pass rushers (Garrett, Crosby, Watt, or Parsons) if possible. If we can't get one of the main pass rushers then I might be persuaded into one of these choices.
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Post#1724 » by ReddRum » Thu Feb 13, 2025 3:50 pm

Profound23 wrote:
ReddRum wrote:
Profound23 wrote:You can only make one move:
Davante as a FA 2/40 with most of it guaranteed

Trade a third and late round pick for Deebo and sign him to an extension 3/75 with 37mil guaranteed

Trade a second for DK with an extension 3/80 with 45 mil guaranteed

Sign Tee Higgins as a FA to 4/135 mil with 95 mil guaranteed

Stick with what we have and draft a wr somewhere between 2nd-4th round

Don't address wr position at all

Which one are you choosing?


Easily DK for me but would that leave enough left for a big signing / trade on defense like a Maxx Crosby or Myles Garrett? If not then I would go hard after one of those 2 first and then you have to draft a WR in the 1st round imo because I don't want our #1 WR to need 3 years to develop. I prefer win now talent at that position in the draft if possible. In 2024 our WR room went from exciting in week 1 to extremely underwhelming / decimated at the end of the year...



Either way I would probably avoid most of these wide receivers at these prices, but I agree no matter what I am going hard at any of the pass rushers (Garrett, Crosby, Watt, or Parsons) if possible. If we can't get one of the main pass rushers then I might be persuaded into one of these choices.


What about a guy like Kupp, and then draft a WR high and then Kupp can be that stop--gap #1 until we develop our young stud? Then use all that saved money for free agents on DEF...
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Post#1725 » by Profound23 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 4:33 pm

No, I would rather use our money to extend the wide receivers we have been developing.
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Post#1726 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Feb 13, 2025 5:11 pm

Profound23 wrote:No, I would rather use our money to extend the wide receivers we have been developing.

Reed I would extend at some point. His receptions (and targets) went down but his yards went up. And, very important, he's only missed 1 game in 2 years. Doubs concussion issue is a concern. Watson with an ACL is a concern. Wicks hasn't shown enough yet. He's only missed 2 games but his numbers didn't improve in his second season. He has potential though.
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Post#1727 » by Treebeard » Thu Feb 13, 2025 5:51 pm

Isn't the common belief that WRs are not a particular strength of this draft? I believe I read that here some weeks back.

Of course, even if that is generally so, there are players who will surprise.
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Post#1728 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Feb 13, 2025 7:46 pm

WR will be an interesting area to watch. I don't see Gute loading up the truck for Higgins. Adams would be a short term stopgap and would be invaluable to our youngsters. Kupp to a lesser extent. With Adams, most likely released, we wouldn't have to trade for him or commit big money. We'll probably draft one at some point but we need some immediate help there.
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Re: Packers News, Transactions - 2025 off-season - Sterling Sharpe HOF 

Post#1729 » by MKE_Hodag22 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:36 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:WR will be an interesting area to watch. I don't see Gute loading up the truck for Higgins. Adams would be a short term stopgap and would be invaluable to our youngsters. Kupp to a lesser extent. With Adams, most likely released, we wouldn't have to trade for him or commit big money. We'll probably draft one at some point but we need some immediate help there.


I think Adams coming in as that Vet WR1 would probably be best case scenario w/ the current state of "butt-hurt" that WR room appeared to be...They wouldn't be bringing in someone foreign to GB, they'd be bringing back Packer "legend"-think that'd go a long way in terms of morale..in that group anyways.
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Post#1730 » by Wisky4life » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:52 pm

Im guessing Adams goes where Rodgers does? Vikings, Raiders, Icky Giants/Titans option, I doubt San Fran.

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Post#1731 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:00 pm

Treebeard wrote:Isn't the common belief that WRs are not a particular strength of this draft? I believe I read that here some weeks back.

Of course, even if that is generally so, there are players who will surprise.


It's a brutal class of WRs. Sanders is the best, and he profiles to be more like a Diggs than a Jefferson. Tetairoa McMillan looks like Drake London.

That's it for first round caliber WRs. Tre Harris is the classic Ole Miss bigger receiver who can catch some deep balls but it's unclear if he helps anywhere else. Bond and Golden are similar to the Texas guys last year. Slightly undersized playmaking burners. I've always liked Restrepo a lot. He catches everything, he's fast, and he's incredibly tough. If there was one WR in the whole draft I felt good about him being a solid 10 year WR, it'd be him. I think he's exactly what the Packers need.
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Post#1732 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:01 pm

Vikings have no need for Adams and I doubt Adams (or Rodgers) wants to go to a terrible team.
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Post#1733 » by coolhandluke121 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:12 pm

Do we think anyone is going to want Rodgers? I'm not so sure at this point. I'm probably underestimating the desperation of some QB-needy teams, but I think they'd be deluding themselves, and who wants to deal with that bs for such limited upside anyway?

I don't think Adams ever wants to return to GB, but he'd be my choice if he does. He's not great anymore, but he's likely to have the most reasonable resource cost in terms of picks (none) and/or guaranteed salary.
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Post#1734 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:19 pm

Yeah please don't break the bank or trade for a guy who'd only be a "#1 WR" on this roster by default. Between Jacobs, Kraft, Reed, and whatever internal growth from Wicks, Musgrave, Heath, Melton etc., the skill position depth is still pretty healthy even with Watson's future looking sketchy. I'd still focus on CB, Edge rusher, and D-line in that order. Short-term, finish-out-his-career deal for Davante and making a big splash for either Crosby or Garrett? Sure, draft two DB's in the first 3-rounds and that's a homerun offseason for me.
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Post#1735 » by neiLz » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:59 pm

This is onw of the more intriguing off seasons for packers in a while for me:
Still young and talented
Cap space
Wr room questions on whos going to step up/do they go for a splash in FA
Defense improved a bunch - do they go FA for pass rush and corner? Do they cut jaire?

They arent losing anyone other than maybe myers. This team is close as hell. Cant wait to see what they do.
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Post#1736 » by Wisky4life » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:17 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Vikings have no need for Adams and I doubt Adams (or Rodgers) wants to go to a terrible team.
But he has to. Brett Favres ghost draws him there

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Post#1737 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:28 pm

If Adams makes it to FA and wants to come back, I think he's the perfect target. Give him a short deal, like a three year deal that's really a two year. Supplement Adams with a WR in the draft.
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Post#1738 » by MVP2110 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 1:51 am

Adams on a short term deal and adding a deep threat guy on a 1 year deal(think Hollywood or MVS) would really help our current WRs. None of our WRs need to be paid this offseason so this allows them another year to determine which of our young guys(if any) to extend in the future
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Post#1739 » by M-C-G » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:11 am

Sign a legit starting CB first. Good with adding Kupp (seems like a great team first fit) or Adams as long as he knows he isn’t getting 180 targets or some nonsense. Draft an edge, a big DL and some swings at CB. Would be a nice off-season
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