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[DetroitSho]

This stuff with Ivey is really going too far. Y'all love throwing people away, I swear.

Who is talking about "throwing Ivey away"?

Well, Ivey for John Collins, for starters.

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[TPA]

This stuff with Ivey is really going too far. Y'all love throwing people away, I swear.

Who is talking about "throwing Ivey away"?

Well, Ivey for John Collins, for starters.

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It's a bad proposal at face value, mostly due to contracts and age, but I see them as about the same tier of player. If Ivey gets a similar contract next year, is he that much better of a value?

[DetroitSho]

Who is talking about "throwing Ivey away"?

Well, Ivey for John Collins, for starters.

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It's a bad proposal at face value, mostly due to contracts and age, but I see them as about the same tier of player. If Ivey gets a similar contract next year, is he that much better of a value?

Well, that's a big hypothetical, but Ivey at $25 million per, STARTING TWO YEARS FROM NOW, under this cap is better than John Collins', yes.

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[Rip32]

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This a good analysis!

Honestly, I think Ausar is a star in the making. He is Pippen and Rodman combined imo.

Holland reminds me of a young Paul Pierce

[TPA]

Well, Ivey for John Collins, for starters.

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It's a bad proposal at face value, mostly due to contracts and age, but I see them as about the same tier of player. If Ivey gets a similar contract next year, is he that much better of a value?

Well, that's a big hypothetical, but Ivey at $25 million per, STARTING TWO YEARS FROM NOW, under this cap is better than John Collins', yes.

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I agree, that the age and contract alignment and cap space management make for a bad trade proposal. So I guess I can see how you could conclude that we'd be "throwing away" value, but not necessarily the player.

[Patrick27]

Who is (theoretically) calling us about Ivey, and what would they offer? What would we be looking for in exchange? I'm not sure anyone is calling us about him right now.

If we're making the calls, we are selling low, and that's not where I'd think we'd be.

[tmorgan]

Who is (theoretically) calling us about Ivey, and what would they offer? What would we be looking for in exchange? I'm not sure anyone is calling us about him right now.

If we're making the calls, we are selling low, and that's not where I'd think we'd be.

Theoretically — the Magic? He’s a solid fit with Suggs and the playmaking forwards.

Dunno what they’d offer besides a pick package, though. Won’t be Suggs, Franz or Paolo, Anthony Black hasn’t shown much, and no one else on the roster is the centerpiece of a JI trade.

Maybe for a pick package, releasing Cole Anthony, and a dozen free shots to his goofy face.

[Kalamazoo317]

We’re on pace to be sixth in the east right now with Ivey out. Swap in Durant for Tobias and this is absolutely a contender. Some of y’all are sleeping on how Cade has become an All-NBA level player who makes people around him better. Add Durant to that and we absolutely have a couple years window to contend.

[zeebneeb]

We’re on pace to be sixth in the east right now with Ivey out. Swap in Durant for Tobias and this is absolutely a contender. Some of y’all are sleeping on how Cade has become an All-NBA level player who makes people around him better. Add Durant to that and we absolutely have a couple years window to contend.

Experience is a hell of a thing. A team doesn't need years of the playoffs to be a contender,(04 Pistons) but the players need a little seasoning. Even with KD, from 5 years ago, this team needs at least one season of playoff experience.

Cade has turned into a certified beast, and his style of play is perfectly suited for the playoffs, but we won't know how he'll perform, until he performs.

Ivey has a real chance at becoming an all-star player as early as next year, there is no way in hell, im moving him. His numbers, and chemistry with Cade were moving in the right direction, fast before captain numbnuts broke his leg.

Next year, the Pistons are going to be good, damn good.

[DetroitSho]

Good thing that 2021 Phoenix team had years of playoff seasoning, oh wait.

By the way, they're getting their taste of the playoffs this year. So there's no reason you don't start thinking about competing when you have an established star that's good enough to compete when you have a good 2nd banana.

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[bstein14]

No one is going to give us an all-star for Ivey coming off that injury. There's a chance we could have gotten a Cam Johnson level player, or DeAndre Hunter.... or Sexton + Collins, etc.... not a chance we're getting someone like KD for Ivey. I still think we're likely going to need to see how Ivey comes out next season, as well as the growth of everyone else and if we do decide to make a "win now" move it won't be during the offseason but at the next trade deadline if we're on pace to win 50+ next season.

[Patrick27]

Who is (theoretically) calling us about Ivey, and what would they offer? What would we be looking for in exchange? I'm not sure anyone is calling us about him right now.

If we're making the calls, we are selling low, and that's not where I'd think we'd be.

Theoretically — the Magic? He’s a solid fit with Suggs and the playmaking forwards.

Dunno what they’d offer besides a pick package, though. Won’t be Suggs, Franz or Paolo, Anthony Black hasn’t shown much, and no one else on the roster is the centerpiece of a JI trade.

Maybe for a pick package, releasing Cole Anthony, and a dozen free shots to his goofy face.

That's great - that makes a lot of sense for the Magic. I'm not sure how high the offer would have to go for an injured #5 pick that was playing like a #5 pick, but I imagine it would probably cost two firsts (which are probably mid-first rounders). I like Ivey a lot more than most, but I'd have to seriously consider it. Not only would it give us assets to make a bigger move, but nobody else is going to have as natural a fit for him as Orlando. Hmm... something to ponder.

They wouldn't want to flip Ivey for Suggs, right?

[Patrick27]

I’d trade him if we could somehow get a 3 team trade going where we trade Ivey to another team that can provide the value Houston would want so we could get Eason. An Eason/Thompson lineup would be insane defensively!

I see what you did there.

[MortSahlfan]

I know it sounds silly, and a waste to say, but I imagine the Pistons becoming better and better, and ...... winning the championship! I know its 1 in a million, but I can dream/imagine.

[theBigLip]

I know it sounds silly, and a waste to say, but I imagine the Pistons becoming better and better, and ...... winning the championship! I know its 1 in a million, but I can dream/imagine.

We’re certainly going in the right direction for a championship. We still need a couple more really good players, and no injuries which is a little bit of luck.

[Fennis Dembo]

Most likely we wouldn't get value back, but there's a few franchises that are poorly run. If someone values him as healthy and makes an offer based off that it could happen.

[Fennis Dembo]

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This a good analysis!

Honestly, I think Ausar is a star in the making. He is Pippen and Rodman combined imo.

Holland reminds me of a young Paul Pierce

Had me until he compared him to Penny.