OT: NY Yankees 2025 Season Thread (Hal is cheap, Brian is dumb)

[Luv those Knicks]

Our lineup sucked last season with Soto.
I am losing interest in Yankees.. baseball in general.
Let's go Dodgers.. LOL.
Thank goodness Knicks are doing well.

With all due respect, 237 homers, 815 runs and 761 OPS lead the AL in all 3 categories. Thier OPS+ was 2nd (stadium factors, so maybe the 2nd best offense in the AL behind Baltimore and at least 4th best in all MLB (behind the Dodgers and close to the Diamondbacks - fewer runs, same OPS+). 4th best in all MLB and 3rd best by some measurements isn't sucking.

I understand the salary frustration. I don't think other owners like the Dodgers approach and I think they're concerned that Cohen could be Dodgers 2.0, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with the next bargaining period.


And it looks like you'll be trading Stroman for pennies on the dollar now. That sucks. My Mets are in a similar boat with Sterling Marte, minus the not showing up to spring training. If Marte struggles, I think the Mets will cut him.

[KnicksGadfly]

Our lineup sucked last season with Soto.
I am losing interest in Yankees.. baseball in general.
Let's go Dodgers.. LOL.
Thank goodness Knicks are doing well.

With all due respect, 237 homers, 815 runs and 761 OPS lead the AL in all 3 categories. Thier OPS+ was 2nd (stadium factors, so maybe the 2nd best offense in the AL behind Baltimore and at least 4th best in all MLB (behind the Dodgers and close to the Diamondbacks - fewer runs, same OPS+). 4th best in all MLB and 3rd best by some measurements isn't sucking.

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I think it's really important to note that those numbers were a bit deceiving. We were being carried all season by Judge and Soto, with some hot and then really long cold streaks by guys like Wells, Gleybor, Volpe, with Wells looking the most promising until he went super cold. We were carrying 0s at spots like first base, left field, third base, DH for a really long time. There were too many times when Judge and Soto would get on base with multiple outs still left in the inning, and we would not even be able to get a sac fly. Then in the playoffs, we'd have Torres and Soto on base and Judge and co would mostly not be able to do anything. If we filled in those holes (or even simply gave Jasson enough preparation time instead of sabotaging him and propping up Verdugo), we might have had home field advantage in the World Series, which might have changed things up.

I make this point to some Yankees fans here, who have seen how a lack of fundamentals and attention to detail can lead to that 5th inning disaster against the Dodgers...it's the same shyt with the FO. The FO is crowing about how we have more balance now, but it's never been either-or, and I think that's them trying unsuccessfully to trick the fans into not holding them accountable.

Now that I think about it, it's actually kind of nuts we had 2 MVP candidates in our lineup, and we still weren't 1st...it takes a lot to drag down the production when you have some historic production from Judge and Soto. Honestly...the biggest upgrade our team made this offseason was probably to upgrade from Rizzo to Goldschmidt, and that is not a compliment to Goldschmidt, as good as he's been in the past. It's an indictment against our FO.

[knicks94]

You can do many creative things with $9.5 million dollars, but paying Aaron Hicks that amount in 2025 has to perhaps be one of the stupidest things that any human being can do.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You can do many creative things with $9.5 million dollars, but paying Aaron Hicks that amount in 2025 has to perhaps be one of the stupidest things that any human being can do.

There is no cap. They can give King Tut that money and still go out and bring in talent with all of the revenue they make. That's the problem.

[knicks94]

You can do many creative things with $9.5 million dollars, but paying Aaron Hicks that amount in 2025 has to perhaps be one of the stupidest things that any human being can do.

There is no cap. They can give King Tut that money and still go out and bring in talent with all of the revenue they make. That's the problem.

Yes, MLB doesn't have a salary cap, but the Yankees do, it is called the Hal Steinbrenner cap. Too bad Brian Cashman is no Leon Rose, otherwise we wouldn't often see the team throwing money in the garbage on guys like Hicks, Donaldson, DJLM and Stroman.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You can do many creative things with $9.5 million dollars, but paying Aaron Hicks that amount in 2025 has to perhaps be one of the stupidest things that any human being can do.

There is no cap. They can give King Tut that money and still go out and bring in talent with all of the revenue they make. That's the problem.

Yes, MLB doesn't have a salary cap, but the Yankees do, it is called the Hal Steinbrenner cap. Too bad Brian Cashman is no Leon Rose, otherwise we wouldn't often see the team throwing money in the garbage on guys like Hicks, Donaldson, DJLM and Stroman.

The Yankees have the highest revenue of all teams. They should have the highest salary "cap" Again, that's the problem. Cashman is a huge part of the problem for sure but, this austerity budget approach is a joke.

[MrDollarBills]

There is no cap. They can give King Tut that money and still go out and bring in talent with all of the revenue they make. That's the problem.

Yes, MLB doesn't have a salary cap, but the Yankees do, it is called the Hal Steinbrenner cap. Too bad Brian Cashman is no Leon Rose, otherwise we wouldn't often see the team throwing money in the garbage on guys like Hicks, Donaldson, DJLM and Stroman.

The Yankees have the highest revenue of all teams. They should have the highest salary "cap" Again, that's the problem. Cashman is a huge part of the problem for sure but, this austerity budget approach is a joke.

Yeah Hal being fake poor is a problem but man...when Cashman does spend he spends it on guys he has no business giving money to. Stroman shouldn't even be on this roster right now

[Spree2Houston]

Only way to get Hal’s attention is to stop coming to the games

[Jalen Bluntson]

Only way to get Hal’s attention is to stop coming to the games

I have. It's not working.

The media needs to put the pressure on them. That's the only way to get his attention. Too many fans to make a dent in the bottom line. So embarrassing them through the media would be the way to go IMO. Cohen spending like a drunken sailor would work if they could actually win something but, that remains to be seen. The whole moneyball era has ruined the Yankees approach. Why Cashman still has a job is beyond me but, Hal is just a profit margin owner who doesn't care about winning anywhere close to the way his father did. It's as if he doesn't even like baseball at all.

I hope we filled the holes in the rest of the lineup to make up for the offense we lost with Soto and what we lacked on top of that. We really relied too much on him and Judge last year and the bottom fell out in the WS. Relying on Judge to carry the team by himself isn't a good plan. We need more from everyone else.

[KnicksGadfly]

Damn, Stanton and Grisham not at 100% already. Third base is a plan that's based on the "Rizzo hope and pray desperately" plan. Legit, I would have taken Gleybor back for one year, rather than deal with this.

Thanks Hal, thanks Cashman.

[Luv those Knicks]

Our lineup sucked last season with Soto.
I am losing interest in Yankees.. baseball in general.
Let's go Dodgers.. LOL.
Thank goodness Knicks are doing well.

With all due respect, 237 homers, 815 runs and 761 OPS lead the AL in all 3 categories. Thier OPS+ was 2nd (stadium factors, so maybe the 2nd best offense in the AL behind Baltimore and at least 4th best in all MLB (behind the Dodgers and close to the Diamondbacks - fewer runs, same OPS+). 4th best in all MLB and 3rd best by some measurements isn't sucking.

.

I think it's really important to note that those numbers were a bit deceiving. We were being carried all season by Judge and Soto, with some hot and then really long cold streaks by guys like Wells, Gleybor, Volpe, with Wells looking the most promising until he went super cold. We were carrying 0s at spots like first base, left field, third base, DH for a really long time. There were too many times when Judge and Soto would get on base with multiple outs still left in the inning, and we would not even be able to get a sac fly. Then in the playoffs, we'd have Torres and Soto on base and Judge and co would mostly not be able to do anything. If we filled in those holes (or even simply gave Jasson enough preparation time instead of sabotaging him and propping up Verdugo), we might have had home field advantage in the World Series, which might have changed things up.

I make this point to some Yankees fans here, who have seen how a lack of fundamentals and attention to detail can lead to that 5th inning disaster against the Dodgers...it's the same shyt with the FO. The FO is crowing about how we have more balance now, but it's never been either-or, and I think that's them trying unsuccessfully to trick the fans into not holding them accountable.

Now that I think about it, it's actually kind of nuts we had 2 MVP candidates in our lineup, and we still weren't 1st...it takes a lot to drag down the production when you have some historic production from Judge and Soto. Honestly...the biggest upgrade our team made this offseason was probably to upgrade from Rizzo to Goldschmidt, and that is not a compliment to Goldschmidt, as good as he's been in the past. It's an indictment against our FO.

I agree with you on that point. After your big 2, your lineup was uninspiring to be sure. Almost entirely below average across the board outside of maybe DH, and a ton of room for improvement. Still, taken as a whole, it didn't suck.

[NYKinMIA]

I'm just not excited that the first ST game is Friday.

fuq you Hal and Cash, you both suck dick and ass.

[knicks94]

I never understood why many fans are more inclined to criticize Stanton than a guy like DJLM.

At least Stanton gives the Yankees something even though it is mostly during one month of the year.

What has DJLM provided the Yankees with since signing that ridiculous contract? Oh right, he had a 4 hit game and a walk off single last season.

[blue and orange]

Hal and Cashman are beyond hope it's not even worth getting upset about anymore.

I hate to do this but it's on Judge now as a captain of the Yankees he needs to be a bit more vocal, he has more power then anyone in the organization to make change. I know he is a great team mate and person but he needs to step outside of his comfort zone a bit. If changes aren't made you will go down as the next Mattingly. If someone makes a base running blunder or doesn't cover 1st base you call them out, if a coach makes a bad send you call them out.

Jeter would curse a guy out if the fundamentals weren't executed, he just didn't call them out to the press, and guess what it never happened again. It's little things like that that cost us a World Series last year, of course ya gotta step up in October too.

[KnicksGadfly]

I never understood why many fans are more inclined to criticize Stanton than a guy like DJLM.

At least Stanton gives the Yankees something even though it is mostly during one month of the year.

What has DJLM provided the Yankees with since signing that ridiculous contract?

I hate being that guy, but there's a lot of process here that went wrong with ownership.

When we think about DJLM, we need to remember that we signed him to a great deal (2 years, 24 million) and that he was around age 30 at that time. We also need to remind ourselves why we signed DJ...it was to avoid paying stars, particularly Harper or Machado. Somehow, when the Yankees tried to be cheap and avoid paying the FAs they were supposed to, they ended up with DJLM on an 8 year albatross contract (his first 2 years + his 6 year new contract).

Finally, 2021-2022 DJLM was solid. Feel like injuries really started taking their toll from 2023 onwards, which isn't too surprising. That's the way those contracts go when guys get old, and it's the way we can expect Judge, Cole, etc, to go in the end. There is no way ownership should have even expected anything from DJLM after the 2023 season. Same with Rizzo, same with Stanton. It doesn't mean they won't perform, but they need to just be realistic. The 6 year contract was probably their desperate way to avoid the tax.

The Yankees know that DJ might be done and tried to designate DJLM for assignment before Judge stopped it last season. That makes their attempt to place DJLM at third a big joke. Maybe DJLM will have a huge resurgence, but this type of hope is not a plan. Same as Hal's attempt to talk about how the Dodgers might get injured and not win the World Series next year or something...not a ****in plan. We should be building a team that can compete against the Dodgers if the World Series was 100 games long and everyone was healthy.

[MrDollarBills]

Stanton is saying that his elbows are messed up. WTF was he doing the last several months?????

[GEOLINK]

that's wild if the Yankees knew about this a month ago and didn't try to get another impact bat

on top of having to get a 3B...

[MrDollarBills]

that's wild if the Yankees knew about this a month ago and didn't try to get another impact bat

on top of having to get a 3B...

That's what I'm saying. How is it that we're finding about this 4 days before spring training games start???

What happens if Stanton cannot DH for us? We would be completely f*cked

I really hate Brian

[KnicksGadfly]

Stanton is saying that his elbows are messed up. WTF was he doing the last several months?????

Read on Twitter

Meanwhile, Hal talking about how the Dodgers need to have an injury-free season

[knicks94]

I never understood why many fans are more inclined to criticize Stanton than a guy like DJLM.

At least Stanton gives the Yankees something even though it is mostly during one month of the year.

What has DJLM provided the Yankees with since signing that ridiculous contract?

I hate being that guy, but there's a lot of process here that went wrong with ownership.

When we think about DJLM, we need to remember that we signed him to a great deal (2 years, 24 million) and that he was around age 30 at that time. We also need to remind ourselves why we signed DJ...it was to avoid paying stars, particularly Harper or Machado. Somehow, when the Yankees tried to be cheap and avoid paying the FAs they were supposed to, they ended up with DJLM on an 8 year albatross contract (his first 2 years + his 6 year new contract).

Finally, 2021-2022 DJLM was solid. Feel like injuries really started taking their toll from 2023 onwards, which isn't too surprising. That's the way those contracts go when guys get old, and it's the way we can expect Judge, Cole, etc, to go in the end. There is no way ownership should have even expected anything from DJLM after the 2023 season. Same with Rizzo, same with Stanton. It doesn't mean they won't perform, but they need to just be realistic. The 6 year contract was probably their desperate way to avoid the tax.

The Yankees know that DJ might be done and tried to designate DJLM for assignment before Judge stopped it last season. That makes their attempt to place DJLM at third a big joke. Maybe DJLM will have a huge resurgence, but this type of hope is not a plan. Same as Hal's attempt to talk about how the Dodgers might get injured and not win the World Series next year or something...not a ****in plan. We should be building a team that can compete against the Dodgers if the World Series was 100 games long and everyone was healthy.

I really hope that we do not see a resurgance from DJ for the remainder of his contract, not because I wouldn't appreciate his contribution, but because Cashman will treat him like Brett Gardner and continue to bring him back until he completely falls apart.