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Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1021 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:35 pm

HMFFL wrote:Does Dalton Knecht interest any of you?



If the cost is right. He seems capable of turning into an Austin Reaves caliber of player.
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Knecht seems a more useful weapon than Garrison Mathews.

...and I'm running out of patience with Kobe Bufkin.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1022 » by dms269 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:38 pm

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HMFFL wrote:Does Dalton Knecht interest any of you?



If the cost is right. He seems capable of turning into an Austin Reaves caliber of player.
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Knecht seems a more useful weapon than Garrison Mathews.

...and I'm running out of patience with Kobe Bufkin.
Being more useful than Matthews isn't a hard thing to do.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1023 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:44 pm

dms269 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Does Dalton Knecht interest any of you?


Knecht seems a more useful weapon than Garrison Mathews.


Being more useful than Matthews isn't a hard thing to do.


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Knecht may never be an All Star.

But he's entering his physical prime and making around $4 million annually. He's likely to outperform that contract by a lot.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1024 » by jayu70 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:51 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
dms269 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Knecht seems a more useful weapon than Garrison Mathews.


Being more useful than Matthews isn't a hard thing to do.


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Knecht may never be an All Star.

But he's entering his physical prime and making around $4 million annually. He's likely to outperform that contract by a lot.

Kobe for Kenecht?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1025 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 17, 2025 3:06 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
dms269 wrote:
Being more useful than Matthews isn't a hard thing to do.


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Knecht may never be an All Star.

But he's entering his physical prime and making around $4 million annually. He's likely to outperform that contract by a lot.

Kobe for Kenecht?


We need shooting. They need perimeter defense.

..it makes sense for both teams.

(Dalton playing between Jalen and Dyson could be a perfect match of passing, shooting and defense.)



NOTE: I do believe Kobe, at age 21, still has a much higher ceiling than DK. I'm just not convinced he'll realize that ceiling in an Atlanta Hawks uniform.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1026 » by dms269 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 3:28 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
dms269 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Knecht seems a more useful weapon than Garrison Mathews.


Being more useful than Matthews isn't a hard thing to do.


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Knecht may never be an All Star.

But he's entering his physical prime and making around $4 million annually. He's likely to outperform that contract by a lot.
The cost will likely outweight any benefit. I don't think they would do Kobe for him and they likely want him to be part of a larger package.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1027 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 17, 2025 3:54 pm

dms269 wrote:I don't think they would do Kobe for him and they likely want him to be part of a larger package.


:dontknow:

Lakers reportedly had interest in Kobe Bufkin ahead of the 2023 draft.

Then we snatched him away at the last minute.



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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1028 » by jayu70 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 6:11 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
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Knecht may never be an All Star.

But he's entering his physical prime and making around $4 million annually. He's likely to outperform that contract by a lot.

Kobe for Kenecht?


We need shooting. They need perimeter defense.

..it makes sense for both teams.

(Dalton playing between Jalen and Dyson could be a perfect match of passing, shooting and defense.)



NOTE: I do believe Kobe, at age 21, still has a much higher ceiling than DK. I'm just not convinced he'll realize that ceiling in an Atlanta Hawks uniform.

In the role has has played so far, I don't see it. I'm also not a fan of left handed players 8-). The only lefty I liked was Manu.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1029 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 17, 2025 6:42 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:NOTE: I do believe Kobe, at age 21, still has a much higher ceiling than DK. I'm just not convinced he'll realize that ceiling in an Atlanta Hawks uniform.


In the role has has played so far, I don't see it. I'm also not a fan of left handed players 8-). The only lefty I liked was Manu.


Understandable. Kid has not managed to produce at the big league level.

But he's managed to drop some big scoring games at the HS-level, the Collegiate-level, in the G-League and in the NBA Pre-Season.

There's been enough glimpses of really high level play along the way.
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Also, his defense has been pretty elite for the Hawks. We're talking Dyson Daniels good.
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Kobe Bufkin’s Impressive Defense

It’s been an enigmatic rookie season for Kobe Bufkin. Atlanta’s 2023 first-round pick barely played in the team’s first 56 games of the season due to a fractured thumb before re-emerging in the G-League a few months later, eventually cracking the first team rotation after Young’s injury in the first game out of the All-Star break.

Bufkin played just 54 minutes in the team’s first four games without Young before injuring his toe in a loss to the Nets on March 2nd and has been sidelined ever since. However, in the limited time he was on the court, I was pleasantly surprised with the energy he displayed on the defensive end.

Look at how he remains engaged over the course of the entire possession, eventually coming up with a steal on this possession.

On this play, Mo Wagner thinks he has a free lane to the basket, but Bufkin is locked in, rotates off his man and is in the right spot to draw a charge.

This play from the Nets game won’t show up on the stat sheet, but see how Bufkin’s stunt towards Jalen Wilson walls off the paint, allows Matthews to recover, and forces Wilson into a low percentage shot.

Bufkin also scraps on the defensive glass.

Look at him box out Walker Kessler in this play, despite giving up (at least) 50 pounds in that matchup. It’s terrific stuff.

Bufkin doesn’t take any possessions off on the less glamorous end of the floor, and though it’s a miniscule sample size (89 minutes), Atlanta’s defense has allowed just 104.2 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor this season.

While it’s unclear when we’ll see Bufkin out on the floor again, the defensive intensity we’ve seen from him early on is more than encouraging. Get well soon, Kobe!
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1030 » by HMFFL » Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:20 am

dms269 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Does Dalton Knecht interest any of you?

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No. Highish floor, low ceiling. He is older than JJ. Can't defend. For some reason, Laker fans think if him as this amazing prospect.

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He seems like a weapon on offense.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1031 » by HMFFL » Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:12 am

When will Zion become available?

25/26 $39,446,090 (Next Season)
26/27 $42,166,510
27/28 $44,886,930
28/29 UFA (28 years old)

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1032 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:12 pm

What would you guys pay to acquire Zion?

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1033 » by Geaux_Hawks » Fri Feb 28, 2025 3:11 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:What would you guys pay to acquire Zion?

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Think it's a bit too late for Zion. We'd have to rearrange the entire front court to make it work.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1034 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Feb 28, 2025 3:35 pm

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:Think it's a bit too late for Zion.

We'd have to rearrange the entire front court to make it work.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1035 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:02 pm

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  • Draft picks
  • Cam Whitmore, Houston Rockets
  • Collin Sexton, Utah Jazz

The Hawks have put a forward-looking focus on most of their most recent moves, but they need to keep pushing in that direction. Remember, they're working from a deficit, having already ceded control of their next three first-round picks to the San Antonio Spurs, so they can't reap the rewards of bottoming out.

Chasing as many external picks as possible remains the way to go, as this young core, intriguing as it is, remains in need of expansion.

In an ideal world, Atlanta would trade its way back into those now Alamo City-based picks, but that option likely went out the window when the Spurs tabbed De'Aaron Fox—not Trae Young—as Victor Wembanyama's first co-star.

The Hawks should still be on the hunt for picks wherever they can find them, but chasing young talent makes sense, too.

With more developmental room to grow than he's had in Houston, Whitmore has a chance to really blossom as a scoring threat thanks to his spring-loaded athleticism and ignitable outside shot. Atlanta could also have eyes on Sexton, either to serve as a temporary replacement for Young or to pilot the offense when he needs a breather.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1036 » by Rebound Mound » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:32 pm

I do not have any trade proposal. I believe we have to play out the rest of the RS and then find some team which could be interested in a S&T for Capela, I guess. I insist that we lack size and three point shooting form the C position.

I love the players that arrived in the last trades, with Niang, LeVert and Mann being real contributors. It is really remarkable the atmosphere they have created since day 1. They play with intensity and is seems like there is an excellent team atmosphere. That is really outstanding, because LeVert was in a much competitive team fighting for big goals this season and now he has more or less the same role with us in a team that fights for getting into the PI.

What I see is that we have a myriad of players with an above average level, but we need some of them to stand out or be traded in 2X1s or 3X1s for really good players or a second star. We have Matthews, LeVert, Mann, Bufkin, Wallace, Barlow and some of them should be converted into someone with a major contribution, as we also have Gueye, Nance (who I love off the bench with his shooting ability), Daniels, Trae, JJ, Risacher, OO.

Trae
Daniels
Risacher
JJ
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Bufkin
LeVert
Mann
Gueye/Niang
Nance

Speaking of Gueye, as I see they are trying to develop him, don't you think he is not playing enough time for him to gain some consistency? Also, don't you think he should be playing more off the bench, so he can face other bench players and boost his confidence? It is strange to me that he plays 5 minutes at the beginning of the halfs, misses some threes and then he usually does not play in 2nd and 4th quarters...
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1037 » by dms269 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 8:30 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:I do not have any trade proposal. I believe we have to play out the rest of the RS and then find some team which could be interested in a S&T for Capela, I guess. I insist that we lack size and three point shooting form the C position.

I love the players that arrived in the last trades, with Niang, LeVert and Mann being real contributors. It is really remarkable the atmosphere they have created since day 1. They play with intensity and is seems like there is an excellent team atmosphere. That is really outstanding, because LeVert was in a much competitive team fighting for big goals this season and now he has more or less the same role with us in a team that fights for getting into the PI.

What I see is that we have a myriad of players with an above average level, but we need some of them to stand out or be traded in 2X1s or 3X1s for really good players or a second star. We have Matthews, LeVert, Mann, Bufkin, Wallace, Barlow and some of them should be converted into someone with a major contribution, as we also have Gueye, Nance (who I love off the bench with his shooting ability), Daniels, Trae, JJ, Risacher, OO.

Trae
Daniels
Risacher
JJ
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Bufkin
LeVert
Mann
Gueye/Niang
Nance

Speaking of Gueye, as I see they are trying to develop him, don't you think he is not playing enough time for him to gain some consistency? Also, don't you think he should be playing more off the bench, so he can face other bench players and boost his confidence? It is strange to me that he plays 5 minutes at the beginning of the halfs, misses some threes and then he usually does not play in 2nd and 4th quarters...


Capela is likely gone, probably taking all or part of the mle to go to a contender (Lakers seem like a fit). LeVert, Matthews, and Nance are both ufa so we would need to offer them enough to come back.

It is a lot easier to say "trade our extra pieces for a contributor.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1038 » by HMFFL » Sat Mar 1, 2025 11:09 pm

dms269 wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:I do not have any trade proposal. I believe we have to play out the rest of the RS and then find some team which could be interested in a S&T for Capela, I guess. I insist that we lack size and three point shooting form the C position.

I love the players that arrived in the last trades, with Niang, LeVert and Mann being real contributors. It is really remarkable the atmosphere they have created since day 1. They play with intensity and is seems like there is an excellent team atmosphere. That is really outstanding, because LeVert was in a much competitive team fighting for big goals this season and now he has more or less the same role with us in a team that fights for getting into the PI.

What I see is that we have a myriad of players with an above average level, but we need some of them to stand out or be traded in 2X1s or 3X1s for really good players or a second star. We have Matthews, LeVert, Mann, Bufkin, Wallace, Barlow and some of them should be converted into someone with a major contribution, as we also have Gueye, Nance (who I love off the bench with his shooting ability), Daniels, Trae, JJ, Risacher, OO.

Trae
Daniels
Risacher
JJ
OO
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Bufkin
LeVert
Mann
Gueye/Niang
Nance

Speaking of Gueye, as I see they are trying to develop him, don't you think he is not playing enough time for him to gain some consistency? Also, don't you think he should be playing more off the bench, so he can face other bench players and boost his confidence? It is strange to me that he plays 5 minutes at the beginning of the halfs, misses some threes and then he usually does not play in 2nd and 4th quarters...


Capela is likely gone, probably taking all or part of the mle to go to a contender (Lakers seem like a fit). LeVert, Matthews, and Nance are both ufa so we would need to offer them enough to come back.

It is a lot easier to say "trade our extra pieces for a contributor.
Cap walking without us acquiring any value for him defines our front office. We can just gift the team that signs him a couple of seconds round picks since apparently we don't need them.


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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1039 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Mar 1, 2025 11:28 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:Speaking of Gueye, as I see they are trying to develop him, don't you think he is not playing enough time for him to gain some consistency? Also, don't you think he should be playing more off the bench, so he can face other bench players and boost his confidence? It is strange to me that he plays 5 minutes at the beginning of the halfs, misses some threes and then he usually does not play in 2nd and 4th quarters...


The decision to move Gueye into the starting lineup of a semi-competitive veteran-laden team is indeed madness.

Hurts the team with very little benefit to the player or the rotation.

I can't help but wonder if this forced evaluation indicates MG is in a make or break period.

Otherwise, it's just really dumb to make the kid struggle against NBA starters and then leave him rotting on the bench against NBA backups.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1040 » by CP War Hawks » Sun Mar 2, 2025 12:02 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:Speaking of Gueye, as I see they are trying to develop him, don't you think he is not playing enough time for him to gain some consistency? Also, don't you think he should be playing more off the bench, so he can face other bench players and boost his confidence? It is strange to me that he plays 5 minutes at the beginning of the halfs, misses some threes and then he usually does not play in 2nd and 4th quarters...


The decision to move Gueye into the starting lineup of a semi-competitive veteran-laden team is indeed madness.

Hurts the team with very little benefit to the player or the rotation.

I can't help but wonder if this forced evaluation indicates MG is in a make or break period.

Otherwise, it's just really dumb to make the kid struggle against NBA starters and then leave him rotting on the bench against NBA backups.


Injuries have made it an eval period for most of the roster. See if Mo can develop into an NBA player. If Dyson can be the backcourt mate to Trae. See if ZR can be the permanent 3 going forward. If OO can actually hold down the 5, etc.

Also if the new guys are worth keeping after the season. With Zion it shouldn't take too too much, but I can see them asking for ZR, OO, and a 2025 pick.

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