Josh Giddey - Conundrum Killer

[WindyCityBorn]

He shot 7 points below league average TS% that year.

He was good enough to win 40 games in that role since winning games is apparently an argument when convenient. And now he’s clearly better.

Except Shai was the best player on that team. His on off numbers weren’t good either that year.

Never said he was the best player. Hopefully isn’t the best player in Chicago for long either.

[PJSteven22]

He was good enough to win 40 games in that role since winning games is apparently an argument when convenient. And now he’s clearly better.

Except Shai was the best player on that team. His on off numbers weren’t good either that year.

Never said he was the best player. Hopefully isn’t the best player in Chicago for long either.

Winning 40 games as the second best player isn’t some crowning achievement. It honestly sounds like something AK would say.

[WindyCityBorn]

Except Shai was the best player on that team. His on off numbers weren’t good either that year.

Never said he was the best player. Hopefully isn’t the best player in Chicago for long either.

Winning 40 games as the second best player isn’t some crowning achievement. It honestly sounds like something AK would say.

As a 20 year old it’s pretty good. I like how you argue like Giddey is finished product at 22. Very bad faith.

[sco]

For the season, stocks Giddey 92 Caruso 76.

[WindyCityBorn]

Bulls need to trade Coby and Vuc this offseason and just hand the team to Giddey, Matas and whoever we end up drafting.

[PJSteven22]

Never said he was the best player. Hopefully isn’t the best player in Chicago for long either.

Winning 40 games as the second best player isn’t some crowning achievement. It honestly sounds like something AK would say.

As a 20 year old it’s pretty good. I like how you argue like Giddey is finished product at 22. Very bad faith.

No. His weaknesses aren’t age/maturity related. Meaning that him getting older is not going to fix his weaknesses. I think that’s what people miss. He wasn’t that good to begin with that year either. He shot 7 percent below league average TS% that year as well.

[WindyCityBorn]

Winning 40 games as the second best player isn’t some crowning achievement. It honestly sounds like something AK would say.

As a 20 year old it’s pretty good. I like how you argue like Giddey is finished product at 22. Very bad faith.

No. His weaknesses aren’t age/maturity related. Meaning that him getting older is not going to fix his weaknesses. I think that’s what people miss. He wasn’t that good to begin with that year either. He shot 7 percent below league average TS% that year as well.

Experience and maturity can fix his weaknesses other than lateral quickness on defense. He can shooter better and he can get stronger to finish better at the rim.

[WindyCityBorn]

At what point does Giddey stop getting bagged for not being a good 3 point shooter?

He is now shooting 37% from 3 for the season which is better than

Tatum, MArkenana, maxey, trae young, jackson jnr, doncic, harden, lamelo, monk, franz wagner and many more

Never because we have people here that clearly want him to fail just so they can be right. Now that Zach’s gone they illogically hate him the most.

[PJSteven22]

As a 20 year old it’s pretty good. I like how you argue like Giddey is finished product at 22. Very bad faith.

No. His weaknesses aren’t age/maturity related. Meaning that him getting older is not going to fix his weaknesses. I think that’s what people miss. He wasn’t that good to begin with that year either. He shot 7 percent below league average TS% that year as well.

Experience and maturity can fix his weaknesses other than lateral quickness on defense. He can shooter better and he can get stronger to finish better at the rim.

No his limited athleticism is tied into his finishing ability as well. He’s still hasn’t tightened his handle which is unlikely to get better either. By year 4, most guys have a tight handler and if they don’t, they never develop it. His mediocre ball handling is tied into has athleticism as well.

[SHO'NUFF]

People hating on Giddey just for the sake of hating at this point. We get it, he’s one of the worst basketball players in the league. He's a 22 year old bum. Denzel Valentine is a better musician than Giddey is a basketball player.

[Infinity2152]

Never said he was the best player. Hopefully isn’t the best player in Chicago for long either.

Winning 40 games as the second best player isn’t some crowning achievement. It honestly sounds like something AK would say.

As a 20 year old it’s pretty good. I like how you argue like Giddey is finished product at 22. Very bad faith.

Lakers only won 43 that year with Lebron and AD. Mavs had 38 wins that year with Luka and Kyrie. Thunder had 40 wins with SGA and Giddey. Timberwolves had 42 with Anthony Edwards, Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert. West was tough.

Interesting fact, he's listed at PF on Basketball Reference.com for that season. 6'6 Jalen Williams listed at SG. For people saying he could never play PF.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2023.html

StatMuse has him at SG, but also has Dort and Williams at SG.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/team/oklahoma-city-thunder-38/roster/2023

He basically played forward with three smaller guards.

[PJSteven22]

People hating on Giddey just for the sake of hating at this point. We get it, he’s one of the worst basketball players in the league. He's a 22 year old bum. Denzel Valentine is a better musician than Giddey is a basketball player.

Swing and a miss

[PJSteven22]

Winning 40 games as the second best player isn’t some crowning achievement. It honestly sounds like something AK would say.

As a 20 year old it’s pretty good. I like how you argue like Giddey is finished product at 22. Very bad faith.

Lakers only won 43 that year with Lebron and AD. Mavs had 38 wins that year with Luka and Kyrie. Thunder had 40 wins with SGA and Giddey. Timberwolves had 42 with Anthony Edwards, Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert. West was tough.

Interesting fact, he's listed at PF on Basketball Reference.com for that season. 6'6 Jalen Williams listed at SG. For people saying he could never play PF.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2023.html

All of those guards showed more promise than Giddey

[Infinity2152]

As a 20 year old it’s pretty good. I like how you argue like Giddey is finished product at 22. Very bad faith.

Lakers only won 43 that year with Lebron and AD. Mavs had 38 wins that year with Luka and Kyrie. Thunder had 40 wins with SGA and Giddey. Timberwolves had 42 with Anthony Edwards, Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert. West was tough.

Interesting fact, he's listed at PF on Basketball Reference.com for that season. 6'6 Jalen Williams listed at SG. For people saying he could never play PF.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2023.html

All of those guards showed more promise than Giddey

All of which guards? You mean the max contract players showed more promise than Giddey? Who's not looking at a max? Some of those guys are number 1 picks. They're supposed to be better.

Giddey was a sixth pick. Expectations should be closer to Coby White, maybe average level starter to good NBA player. I'm keeping Giddey over White every day.

Or are you talking about Lu Dort, with the whopping 9.8 pts, 4.1 rebounds, 1.6 assists in 29 minutes he's putting up this season? Or Jalen Williams, who's also probably looking at max or at least $30+ mill? He's back to his normal 35% 3pt shot, after a huge jump last year made him look great at it. Getting 5.5 rebounds in 33 minutes at forward, closer to Pat Will than Giddey. 5 assists in 32 minutes, lol.

If you hate assists and rebounds, they definitely show more promise. Always good to grab short for position guys in the NBA.

[Chi town]

Giddey with his most aggressive game of the year.

That shot has improved big time. The setup mechanics are so different. No more heave. He’s not shooting short on FTs or 3s now. He actually shooting it with his wrists and follow through.

Buz and Giddey look good out there together. Both with such high IQ on offense. Cutting for easy buckets.

Give Giddey a lob threat defensive C and more shooting and secondary playmaking like VJ and we may have something to build with.

[PJSteven22]

Lakers only won 43 that year with Lebron and AD. Mavs had 38 wins that year with Luka and Kyrie. Thunder had 40 wins with SGA and Giddey. Timberwolves had 42 with Anthony Edwards, Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert. West was tough.

Interesting fact, he's listed at PF on Basketball Reference.com for that season. 6'6 Jalen Williams listed at SG. For people saying he could never play PF.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2023.html

All of those guards showed more promise than Giddey

All of which guards? You mean the max contract players showed more promise than Giddey? Who's not looking at a max? Some of those guys are number 1 picks. They're supposed to be better.

Giddey was a sixth pick. Expectations should be closer to Coby White, maybe average level starter. I'm keeping Giddey over White every day.

All of the Guards that were listed. If his expectations should be where Coby White is then the contract should match it. Also Coby is not good enough as a primary ball handler. I want greatness not mediocrity. My standards are higher than AKs.

[Pipp33]

Giddey CAN be a good level starting guard in the NBA.

When he's been given the opportunity to be the lead playmaking guard, hes played well a lot more often than not. Most games he played at OKC , when SGA was out, where real solid outings. Last season he was played completely out of his natural game, but he didn't whine about it, just turned up and did what he was asked to do.

His playing time at Bulls pre All Star was consistently inconsistent as he was Billy's fall guy whenever he made a mistake. Yet Coby, Zach and Vuc could make defensive error after defensive error and not face the same scrutiny.

He has faults, as do a LOT of players, but he also does some things very well and is still young enough to work on his game. His ball handling is not elite, but he's not out there averaging 4+ TO's a game.

I hope he's re-signed and continues his improvement. I'd much rather have him, than Coby

[PJSteven22]

Giddey CAN be a good level starting guard in the NBA.

When he's been given the opportunity to be the lead playmaking guard, hes played well a lot more often than not. Most games he played at OKC , when SGA was out, where real solid outings. Last season he was played completely out of his natural game, but he didn't whine about it, just turned up and did what he was asked to do.

His playing time at Bulls pre All Star was consistently inconsistent as he was Billy's fall guy whenever he made a mistake. Yet Coby, Zach and Vuc could make defensive error after defensive error and not face the same scrutiny.

He has faults, as do a LOT of players, but he also does some things very well and is still young enough to work on his game. His ball handling is not elite, but he's not out there averaging 4+ TO's a game.

I hope he's re-signed and continues his improvement. I'd much rather have him, than Coby

Define good starting PG? Top 10 or top 15?

[Dan Z]

What team might offer him a contract other than the Bulls? When I look around the league I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing one.

[Chi town]

https://youtu.be/YLNFhXsdMrA?si=QDticqxLTqKNpUpD