Josh Giddey - Conundrum Killer

[Jcool0]

He’s not a top 10 PG.

He’s not.
Luka
Shai
Brunson
Steph
Dame
Haliburton
Cade
Garland
Maxey
Fox

You’re wrong take the L

Lol Fox? The 3rd best PG on his own team?

[ConstableChaos]

giddey could definitely be a top 10 pg in 4 years

[ConstableChaos]

giddey could definitely be a top 10 pg in 4 years, which is what they call a rebuild

[sco]

The real question will be who else is willing to put a big $ offer on the table and have to lose FA days because that offer ie tied-up until we decide to match or not, knowing that we will likely match? Giddey could push the issue and take the QA, I guess.

[CROBulls]

giddey could definitely be a top 10 pg in 4 years, which is what they call a rebuild

He wont be. Which why you gonna call this in 4 years retooling

[FecesOfDeath]

This might sound funny, but I think Giddey might have a ceiling of a point guard version of Jokic.

[Jcool0]

giddey could definitely be a top 10 pg in 4 years, which is what they call a rebuild

He wont be. Which why you gonna call this in 4 years retooling

Bold statement based on how he is playing his last 30 games.

[Chi town]

31 games>82 math checks out. Giddey is not even a top 10 PG. why are you going so hard for him.

His evaluation should be heavily weighted towards post TDL due to his role changing significantly and it being the role you will resign him for and be willing to pay for. His games since TDL def check out as a top 3 player on a good team. I do expect his numbers to dip a little when Vuc returns, mostly scoring.

That’s a small sample size.

May be small but it’s most accurate.

30 games by end of season will help.

[Chi town]

He’s not.
Luka
Shai
Brunson
Steph
Dame
Haliburton
Cade
Garland
Maxey
Fox

You’re wrong take the L

Lol Fox? The 3rd best PG on his own team?

That’s not really the evaluation. Only one of those players is 22. You don’t rebuild with 38 year olds.

From that list I’d take Cade, Shai, Luka and Maxey over post TDL Giddey. Garland is awful on D. Hali is a head case and I don’t trust his body to hold up. Brunson is older and injury risk with his style of play. Not a big fan of Fox.

For a young rebuilding team post TDL 22yr old Giddey looks like a strong fit. He’s already beginning to lead and organize the floor in key moments to get the team good shots.

[CROBulls]

giddey could definitely be a top 10 pg in 4 years, which is what they call a rebuild

He wont be. Which why you gonna call this in 4 years retooling

Bold statement based on how he is playing his last 30 games.

Yes. Bold but we know how fakes one look. Coby White had eventual hot streak after signing new contract instead being out of league and replaced and outplayed by early 2nd rounder Ayo Donsunmu after spent 4 years in a league already. We have Patrick Williams on a 20 per year, 5 year deal with PO who is at best looking as a bench player after spending 4 years doing nothing. His contract is literally based on projection of 7-8 streak of decent games of being good NBA player.

Winning and playing well in meaningless games at the end of season when every team is tanking is not good player judgment. I rather take bigger and proven by numbers stats with big sample size of games and show you that Josh Giddey doesnt project into anything top in a league.

[PJSteven22]

He’s not.
Luka
Shai
Brunson
Steph
Dame
Haliburton
Cade
Garland
Maxey
Fox

You’re wrong take the L

Lol Fox? The 3rd best PG on his own team?

lol that’s cap

[PJSteven22]

His evaluation should be heavily weighted towards post TDL due to his role changing significantly and it being the role you will resign him for and be willing to pay for. His games since TDL def check out as a top 3 player on a good team. I do expect his numbers to dip a little when Vuc returns, mostly scoring.

That’s a small sample size.

May be small but it’s most accurate.

30 games by end of season will help.

He’s shooting 54 percent from deep. That’s not sustainable.

[Chi town]

That’s a small sample size.

May be small but it’s most accurate.

30 games by end of season will help.

He’s shooting 54 percent from deep. That’s not sustainable.

Of course it’s not.

I maintain what I’ve been saying for weeks…

Giddey at 40% from 3 at 5 3PAs per game and 80%FT at 6 FTA per game is a useful and winning player.

Last offseason he played in the Olympics and was injured. A summer with Patton will help his shot and his 3PA. I think the above is very doable. He is already doing it. The toughest thing for him will be the 3PA because he doesn’t like to take even lightly contested 3s.

[PJSteven22]

He’s not.
Luka
Shai
Brunson
Steph
Dame
Haliburton
Cade
Garland
Maxey
Fox

You’re wrong take the L

Lol Fox? The 3rd best PG on his own team?

That’s not really the evaluation. Only one of those players is 22. You don’t rebuild with 38 year olds.

From that list I’d take Cade, Shai, Luka and Maxey over post TDL Giddey. Garland is awful on D. Hali is a head case and I don’t trust his body to hold up. Brunson is older and injury risk with his style of play. Not a big fan of Fox.

For a young rebuilding team post TDL 22yr old Giddey looks like a strong fit. He’s already beginning to lead and organize the floor in key moments to get the team good shots.

8 games is all it takes I guess. I need at least a season of high level production before I go that far. Also he doesn’t seem to fit with other star players. That’s my main issue. How far are you going with a Giddey? Not that far. This reminds me of bears fans hyping up guys like Mitch Trubisky because we’re gasping for straws.

[PJSteven22]

May be small but it’s most accurate.

30 games by end of season will help.

He’s shooting 54 percent from deep. That’s not sustainable.

Of course it’s not.

I maintain what I’ve been saying for weeks…

Giddey at 40% from 3 at 5 3PAs per game and 80%FT at 6 FTA per game is a useful and winning player.

Last offseason he played in the Olympics and was injured. A summer with Patton will help his shot and his 3PA. I think the above is very doable. He is already doing it. The toughest thing for him will be the 3PA because he doesn’t like to take even lightly contested 3s.

I just think he’s on a hot streak. He’s done this before in OKC. I’ve seen Coby go on 30 game heaters only to come crashing back down to earth. We need more data. History shows that he’s streaky. It’s something to monitor.

[Betta Bulleavit]

He wont be. Which why you gonna call this in 4 years retooling

Bold statement based on how he is playing his last 30 games.

Yes. Bold but we know how fakes one look. Coby White had eventual hot streak after signing new contract instead being out of league and replaced and outplayed by early 2nd rounder Ayo Donsunmu after spent 4 years in a league already. We have Patrick Williams on a 20 per year, 5 year deal with PO who is at best looking as a bench player after spending 4 years doing nothing. His contract is literally based on projection of 7-8 streak of decent games of being good NBA player.

Winning and playing well in meaningless games at the end of season when every team is tanking is not good player judgment. I rather take bigger and proven by numbers stats with big sample size of games and show you that Josh Giddey doesnt project into anything top in a league.

I think you’re speaking as if Giddey was a bad player before now. He wasn’t. He was one of many young players on an OKC team where someone was going to have to be moved and he was the odd man out. But Giddey has always been a high potential type of player and what he’s doing now (while not necessarily sustainable) isn’t super surprising as he has this type of ability.

[CROBulls]

Bold statement based on how he is playing his last 30 games.

Yes. Bold but we know how fakes one look. Coby White had eventual hot streak after signing new contract instead being out of league and replaced and outplayed by early 2nd rounder Ayo Donsunmu after spent 4 years in a league already. We have Patrick Williams on a 20 per year, 5 year deal with PO who is at best looking as a bench player after spending 4 years doing nothing. His contract is literally based on projection of 7-8 streak of decent games of being good NBA player.

Winning and playing well in meaningless games at the end of season when every team is tanking is not good player judgment. I rather take bigger and proven by numbers stats with big sample size of games and show you that Josh Giddey doesnt project into anything top in a league.

I think you’re speaking as if Giddey was a bad player before now. He wasn’t. He was one of many young players on an OKC team where someone was going to have to be moved and he was the odd man out. But Giddey has always been a high potential type of player and what he’s doing now (while not necessarily sustainable) isn’t super surprising as he has this type of ability.

Giddey isnt bad player. He just not what this franchise at the end needs. He fits AKME theory of 9-10 good young guys, but we ALL know here that theory wins jack **** on any level. He is same player he was 30 games before, nothing changed except his usage and volume. Still same weaknesses, still same strenghts. Nothing magically happened. If OKC invested in Giddey there would not be 60 wins team but 30-35 win team in this role.

And now instead paying him 15M for role player (which HE IS) you gonna play him 30M+ for role player who gonna pretend be young piece to build around. At the end nobody wins here except Josh Giddey and his wallet.

So can we all stop pretending that Josh Giddey is some kind of top player on rise?

EDIT: I want Bulls to keep him and him being extended on proven sample size he proven he is in last 4 years. I dont want him extended on this fake run and level of play of 30 games on a bad team inflating his statline.

[WindyCityBorn]

He’s not a top 10 PG.

He’s not.
Luka
Shai
Brunson
Steph
Dame
Haliburton
Cade
Garland
Maxey
Fox

You’re wrong take the L

You don’t even realize why I’m laughing and I’m not gonna tell you.

[WindyCityBorn]

May be small but it’s most accurate.

30 games by end of season will help.

He’s shooting 54 percent from deep. That’s not sustainable.

Of course it’s not.

I maintain what I’ve been saying for weeks…

Giddey at 40% from 3 at 5 3PAs per game and 80%FT at 6 FTA per game is a useful and winning player.

Last offseason he played in the Olympics and was injured. A summer with Patton will help his shot and his 3PA. I think the above is very doable. He is already doing it. The toughest thing for him will be the 3PA because he doesn’t like to take even lightly contested 3s.

Giddey doing what you listed is a borderline all-star. A lot more than useful player. His game goes way beyond scoring.

[PJSteven22]

He’s not.
Luka
Shai
Brunson
Steph
Dame
Haliburton
Cade
Garland
Maxey
Fox

You’re wrong take the L

You don’t even realize why I’m laughing and I’m not gonna tell you.

You’re wrong buddy. He’s never put it together for a whole season.