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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#41 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 6, 2025 9:52 pm

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Chandler Parsons is kind of a knucklehead if I remember correctly...

did he explain where we're getting $40m in cap space?

I'm not saying it's inconceivable, especially if Kyrie targeted ORL...but would Weltman move all that around to sign a badly-injured guy who will likely be out half of the season?

If Kyrie is into the idea, he's a freakin' phenomenal talent. I've posted trade ideas for him recently, before his injury...but it's a pretty bad one. Legler, on a podcast today, was talking about how he'll be back mid-season, but it'll likely be months after that before he's attacking confidently. Exciting idea, but reminds me of BRK paying KD to rehab and never really getting a good look at their dream team.

There's not much that I couldn't get excited about...Weltman's ruined my filters and patience with his slothful work habits.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#42 » by MasterGMer » Thu Mar 6, 2025 10:04 pm

I don't think we don't want to sign Kyrie, but does the Magic organization have the cap space. Don't you forget, Paolo's rookie max is kicking in this summer. We are going to be loaded with contracts
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Post#43 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 6, 2025 10:07 pm

I'd really like to see KCP end the season with a scorching shooting spree...so we have a hope of moving him this summer. I don't dislike him, but him AND Suggs, at their salary points just don't make sense together. IF they were to move Suggs, maybe KCP sticks...but I'd say this recent injury makes Suggs a lot less attractive to a potential trade partner. I'd rather not trade him anyway, but it might be a moot point now. Our picks are the key to any trades as our "assets" are all bottomed out this season...every one of them.

If Weltman is clinging so desperately to("my precious") to his next bungled, late frps again, we're in a bind. I hope he opens the vault and gets serious about fixing this mess.

*I know I sound very distraught about the state of the team...it's mostly because the repairs are there for the taking, he's honestly just a non-confrontational P#$%%y who can't have a tough conversation. Whining about other GMs trying to "squeeze him"? WTF is that? Deals can be made if the desire is there...it's not like there's only one GM in the league to deal with. What's so infuriating is how close we are and yet we look like hot garbage out there because of missing role players (not stars). The money is just sitting on the table and he refuses to stick his scrawny neck out of his shell to grab it.

Another point that has been (somewhat) understated is the fact that Nate Tibbets' spot was not filled when he left. I didn't really pay much attention to this but leaving a significant hole in the coaching staff is malpractice...especially if he was the "offense" guy. I don't know if that's really the case but it was pointed out on my new favorite podcast "Penny & Pops"...that's potentially more detrimental than ignoring the loss of Moe to a season-ending injury and yet, just nothing...so, that's another summer decision and it's kind of positive because they can get Mose some help without publicly calling it "help" and calling him out for his lack of offensive ability, just filling an open slot :D
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#44 » by Idiosyncratic » Thu Mar 6, 2025 10:24 pm

MasterGMer wrote:I don't think we don't want to sign Kyrie, but does the Magic organization have the cap space. Don't you forget, Paolo's rookie max is kicking in this summer. We are going to be loaded with contracts


Magic will have like 200-210 mil on the books the Paolo extensions season assuming no trades or signings this summer that affect future money so they couldn't outright sign a player like him, they would have to trade Caldwell-Pope and Wendell plus picks and prospects.

Kyrie (or whoever star guard) / 2025 Pick
Suggs/
Franz/TDS
Paolo/Isaac
Goga/

Would be like 200 million for 8 players. Like 15 million to get to the 1st apron. Can sign an MLE player and vet mins/2nd round picks basically. Goga expires the next year so you need to find a starting center with no money and some future picks traded.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#45 » by MasterGMer » Thu Mar 6, 2025 11:22 pm

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MasterGMer wrote:I don't think we don't want to sign Kyrie, but does the Magic organization have the cap space. Don't you forget, Paolo's rookie max is kicking in this summer. We are going to be loaded with contracts


Magic will have like 200-210 mil on the books the Paolo extensions season assuming no trades or signings this summer that affect future money so they couldn't outright sign a player like him, they would have to trade Caldwell-Pope and Wendell plus picks and prospects.

Kyrie (or whoever star guard) / 2025 Pick
Suggs/
Franz/TDS
Paolo/Isaac
Goga/

Would be like 200 million for 8 players. Like 15 million to get to the 1st apron. Can sign an MLE player and vet mins/2nd round picks basically. Goga expires the next year so you need to find a starting center with no money and some future picks traded.


You mean a sign and trade for Kyrie? Like he opted in to his last year of his contract and Magic trade for him?

I don't think Magic would give up that many assets to get a rental or Kyrie for a year. So I am assuming sign and trade. Where he signed for 2 or 3 seasons and we trade for him.

BTW James Harden is also available. But I doubt he would come here. lol.

As of right now, my choice of 2025 NBA Draft is to trade up. This draft is loaded. And we would most likely end up with 10th or 11th pick if we miss the playoff. Package it with DEN 1st rounder and we got ourself another star in rookie contract.

I know this most likely won't come true. But I think this summer Jeff Weltman has a lot motives to improve the team and that is what I am talking about.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#46 » by Idiosyncratic » Thu Mar 6, 2025 11:30 pm

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MasterGMer wrote:I don't think we don't want to sign Kyrie, but does the Magic organization have the cap space. Don't you forget, Paolo's rookie max is kicking in this summer. We are going to be loaded with contracts


Magic will have like 200-210 mil on the books the Paolo extensions season assuming no trades or signings this summer that affect future money so they couldn't outright sign a player like him, they would have to trade Caldwell-Pope and Wendell plus picks and prospects.

Kyrie (or whoever star guard) / 2025 Pick
Suggs/
Franz/TDS
Paolo/Isaac
Goga/

Would be like 200 million for 8 players. Like 15 million to get to the 1st apron. Can sign an MLE player and vet mins/2nd round picks basically. Goga expires the next year so you need to find a starting center with no money and some future picks traded.


You mean a sign and trade for Kyrie? Like he opted in to his last year of his contract and Magic trade for him?

I don't think Magic would give up that many assets to get a rental or Kyrie for a year. So I am assuming sign and trade. Where he signed for 2 or 3 seasons and we trade for him.

BTW James Harden is also available. But I doubt he would come here. lol.

As of right now, my choice of 2025 NBA Draft is to trade up. This draft is loaded. And we would most likely end up with 10th or 11th pick if we miss the playoff. Package it with DEN 1st rounder and we got ourself another star in rookie contract.

I know this most likely won't come true. But I think this summer Jeff Weltman has a lot motives to improve the team and that is what I am talking about.


Yes, I'm talking after next year. Assume he opts in this year since he will rehab most of the year, but who knows.

I could agree with trading up depending on who falls, there are some guys I would value highly, like Tre Johnson if he falls. Do you have somebody in mind? I think Jakucionis could be an interesting swing for the Magic. Looked like a top 5 lock, but feels like he is falling now. Athleticism is a question, but can shoot and has playmaking ability.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#47 » by Bensational » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:00 am

I’d be all aboard Kyrie coming to Orlando.

Move KCP, WCJ, Isaac and Cole to create space for his contract and find cheaper depth pieces.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#48 » by Knightro » Fri Mar 7, 2025 4:20 am

Kyrie is about to turn 33 in a couple of weeks and just blew out his knee.

Next year is completely shot for him.

So you’re gonna pay him $60M a year for his age 34-35-36 seasons coming off a catastrophic knee injury?

No thanks.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#49 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Fri Mar 7, 2025 1:35 pm

should change this from Summer Decisions to Summer Demands, the decisions have been made over the last month who deserves to stay and go from top to bottom
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#50 » by 89Magicfan » Fri Mar 7, 2025 2:40 pm

I just don’t want Weltman and Parker making these decisions. Find a new FO first before anything.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#51 » by basketballRob » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:04 pm

Jordan Poole will probably be better than Kyrie after the injury. KCP and Harris for Poole works.

Poole would cost us less than it would be for Simons. Poole is probably better.

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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#52 » by eyriq » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:10 pm

basketballRob wrote:Jordan Poole will probably be better than Kyrie after the injury. KCP and Harris for Poole works.

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He would fit the Orlando Wolverines theme
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#53 » by basketballRob » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:15 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Jordan Poole will probably be better than Kyrie after the injury. KCP and Harris for Poole works.

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He would fit the Orlando Wolverines theme
Simons and Poole are essentially the same players, but it would cost way less for Poole in a trade.

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Post#54 » by eyriq » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:17 pm

basketballRob wrote:
eyriq wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Jordan Poole will probably be better than Kyrie after the injury. KCP and Harris for Poole works.

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He would fit the Orlando Wolverines theme
Simons and Poole are essentially the same players, but it would cost way less for Poole in a trade.

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I think he’s better than his market value but the gap is closing
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#55 » by JRoy » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:27 pm

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Chandler Parsons is kind of a knucklehead if I remember correctly...

did he explain where we're getting $40m in cap space?

I'm not saying it's inconceivable, especially if Kyrie targeted ORL...but would Weltman move all that around to sign a badly-injured guy who will likely be out half of the season?

If Kyrie is into the idea, he's a freakin' phenomenal talent. I've posted trade ideas for him recently, before his injury...but it's a pretty bad one. Legler, on a podcast today, was talking about how he'll be back mid-season, but it'll likely be months after that before he's attacking confidently. Exciting idea, but reminds me of BRK paying KD to rehab and never really getting a good look at their dream team.

There's not much that I couldn't get excited about...Weltman's ruined my filters and patience with his slothful work habits.


Parsons is an idiot just smart enough to get overpaid and then coast until retirement.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#56 » by JRoy » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:28 pm

basketballRob wrote:
eyriq wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Jordan Poole will probably be better than Kyrie after the injury. KCP and Harris for Poole works.

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He would fit the Orlando Wolverines theme
Simons and Poole are essentially the same players, but it would cost way less for Poole in a trade.

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Poole is really, really dumb.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#57 » by basketballRob » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:33 pm

JRoy wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
eyriq wrote:
He would fit the Orlando Wolverines theme
Simons and Poole are essentially the same players, but it would cost way less for Poole in a trade.

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Poole is really, really dumb.
I think he's becoming more mature. Some of his antics is why the price could be low for him. I'd rather buy low. I wouldn't trade for Poole unless he agreed to an extension in the $20m per season range.

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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#58 » by basketballRob » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:47 pm

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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#59 » by Skybox » Sun Mar 9, 2025 5:44 pm

Knightro wrote:Kyrie is about to turn 33 in a couple of weeks and just blew out his knee.

Next year is completely shot for him.

So you’re gonna pay him $60M a year for his age 34-35-36 seasons coming off a catastrophic knee injury?

No thanks.


Yeah...a perfectly healthy Kyrie is good enough to overlook/bet against his previous franchise-destroying behavior...but that's a really bad injury. Even NEXT year is largely a wash if you factor in regaining confidence and presuming all goes perfectly...can't burn another season while Paolo and Franz simmer.
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Re: Summer Decisions 

Post#60 » by Skybox » Sun Mar 9, 2025 5:45 pm

JRoy wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
eyriq wrote:
He would fit the Orlando Wolverines theme
Simons and Poole are essentially the same players, but it would cost way less for Poole in a trade.

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Poole is really, really dumb.


Yeah...I pushed hard for Poole. I was wrong...I throw "knucklehead" around a lot - Poole is REALLY a knucklehead. What's between your ears is so much more important than any other skill or attribute.

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