Josh Giddey - Conundrum Killer

[PJSteven22]

So Suggs is a better defender and Giddey is a better PG. Its a wash.

It doesn’t work like that. The gap for defense is wider than the gap for offense. It’s not a wash. Also the Magic dont need him to be a pure PG. They need him to space the floor, attack the basket and play lockdown defense. It’s a bad comparison. Plus the Magic last year was a 48 win team and Suggs shot 39 percent from deep. He’s obviously regressed and looks like he got overpaid. Doesn’t mean that you overpay the next guy. What sense does it make to pay a guy that you said is a third option 30 million when you have no second or first option? Not much at all.

Cope. Giddey is better than Suggs and the Magic are screwed with 3 non-stars on crazy contracts.

They’re still young. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. The Bulls are about to do the same thing with Giddey. I take your opinion with a Grain of salt because you’re extremely biased and don’t seem to have a good grasp on what’s happening around the NBA and have an over inflated opinion about Bulls players. Paolo, Franz, and a healthy Suggs are better than anyone on this roster.

[PJSteven22]

I would never trade Giddey for Suggs.

Depends on what your team looks like. Josh Giddey wouldn’t look good with the Magic. At least if Suggs shot isn’t falling he can play defense. Suggs probably fits on more teams easily than Giddey. I take your opinion with a grain of salt.

Ditto for you. Suggs is worse a Caruso making $30 million per.

You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. 23 year olds can’t improve? You’re contradicting yourself.

[WindyCityBorn]

It doesn’t work like that. The gap for defense is wider than the gap for offense. It’s not a wash. Also the Magic dont need him to be a pure PG. They need him to space the floor, attack the basket and play lockdown defense. It’s a bad comparison. Plus the Magic last year was a 48 win team and Suggs shot 39 percent from deep. He’s obviously regressed and looks like he got overpaid. Doesn’t mean that you overpay the next guy. What sense does it make to pay a guy that you said is a third option 30 million when you have no second or first option? Not much at all.

Cope. Giddey is better than Suggs and the Magic are screwed with 3 non-stars on crazy contracts.

They’re still young. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. The Bulls are about to do the same thing with Giddey. I take your opinion with a Grain of salt because you’re extremely biased and don’t seem to have a good grasp on what’s happening around the NBA and have an over inflated opinion about Bulls players. Paolo, Franz, and a healthy Suggs are better than anyone on this roster.

[PJSteven22]

Cope. Giddey is better than Suggs and the Magic are screwed with 3 non-stars on crazy contracts.

They’re still young. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. The Bulls are about to do the same thing with Giddey. I take your opinion with a Grain of salt because you’re extremely biased and don’t seem to have a good grasp on what’s happening around the NBA and have an over inflated opinion about Bulls players. Paolo, Franz, and a healthy Suggs are better than anyone on this roster.

Actually pay attention to other teams other than the Bulls instead of laughing maybe you’ll learn something. You’re literally contradicting yourself right now.

[Lunartic]

It doesn’t work like that. The gap for defense is wider than the gap for offense. It’s not a wash. Also the Magic dont need him to be a pure PG. They need him to space the floor, attack the basket and play lockdown defense. It’s a bad comparison. Plus the Magic last year was a 48 win team and Suggs shot 39 percent from deep. He’s obviously regressed and looks like he got overpaid. Doesn’t mean that you overpay the next guy. What sense does it make to pay a guy that you said is a third option 30 million when you have no second or first option? Not much at all.

Cope. Giddey is better than Suggs and the Magic are screwed with 3 non-stars on crazy contracts.

They’re still young. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. The Bulls are about to do the same thing with Giddey. I take your opinion with a Grain of salt because you’re extremely biased and don’t seem to have a good grasp on what’s happening around the NBA and have an over inflated opinion about Bulls players. Paolo, Franz, and a healthy Suggs are better than anyone on this roster.

The Magic have 3 better players than anyone one the Bulls but have only 4 more wins than the injury-plagued, should-be-tanking Bulls? The Bulls also won 2-1 this season against the Magic. A bit odd.

Methinks they're not as good players as you suggest.

[jnrjr79]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

Who’s going to offer him that other than the Bulls?

You do realize he has the option take the qualifying offer? It’s not like he has to accept anything that’s offered. He can bet on himself, play great next season and then say screw us and walk.

Sure, but not a lot of guys turn down their first big long-term contract to do this, given the risk.

[WindyCityBorn]

Who’s going to offer him that other than the Bulls?

You do realize he has the option take the qualifying offer? It’s not like he has to accept anything that’s offered. He can bet on himself, play great next season and then say screw us and walk.

Sure, but not a lot of guys turn down their first big long-term contract to do this, given the risk.

Butler did it and ended up with a much bigger contract. I agree it’s rare, but it’s an option he can use.

[PJSteven22]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

Who’s going to offer him that other than the Bulls?

You do realize he has the option take the qualifying offer? It’s not like he has to accept anything that’s offered. He can bet on himself, play great next season and then say screw us and walk.

I’m just saying that the Bulls should let him fetch an offer like Zach and go from there.

[PJSteven22]

Cope. Giddey is better than Suggs and the Magic are screwed with 3 non-stars on crazy contracts.

They’re still young. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. The Bulls are about to do the same thing with Giddey. I take your opinion with a Grain of salt because you’re extremely biased and don’t seem to have a good grasp on what’s happening around the NBA and have an over inflated opinion about Bulls players. Paolo, Franz, and a healthy Suggs are better than anyone on this roster.

The Magic have 3 better players than anyone one the Bulls but have only 4 more wins than the injury-plagued, should-be-tanking Bulls? The Bulls also won 2-1 this season against the Magic. A bit odd.

Methinks they're not as good players as you suggest.

They’ve been banged up this year. They’ve won 48 games last year when they were healthy. The issue other than health is that they can’t hit open threes. They are more talented than the Bulls. The Bulls are 4-9 since trading Lavine. Which translates to about 25 wins in a full season.

[zimpy27]

Giddey was 17/8/7 @ 52% TS on OKC without SGA
Giddey has been 17/8/7 @ 60% TS on Bulls without LaVine

What's also notable with the Bulls is the improves defensive stats and 3 shooting.

Giddey has improved every year in his scoring. I think at peak he will have a 20 point triple double season.

Surrounding him with 3+D players does provide Bulls a path towards playoffs and maybe contention depending on the quality of the 3+D players.

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[GuardianEnzo]

Giddey’s 3 % has markedly improved every season he’s been in the league. It’s better post all-star than pre all-star break. He’s working with a good shooting coach in Patton. Obviously he won’t sustain 54% but no reason to think he can’t settle consistently around 40%. And Giddey at 40% on threes is a very good player.

[Chi town]

Giddey was 17/8/7 @ 52% TS on OKC without SGA
Giddey has been 17/8/7 @ 60% TS on Bulls without LaVine

What's also notable with the Bulls is the improves defensive stats and 3 shooting.

Giddey has improved every year in his scoring. I think at peak he will have a 20 point triple double season.

Surrounding him with 3+D players does provide Bulls a path towards playoffs and maybe contention depending on the quality of the 3+D players.

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An outsider that believes in The Giddler!

Peak 20pt trip dub season… has anyone ever done that?

[Chi town]

Giddey’s clips are always 3+ mins because they show his assists too.

https://youtu.be/anQbqj0rgXI?si=rxWqd46jILuThOzF

[dougthonus]

I love this board. Giddey either sucks or he's worth 150 mil.

$25 million per for this production would be one of the biggest steals in the NBA. The only question is whether it is sustainable. I think it is other than the 50 percent 3 point shooting. I think that normalizes around 37 percent. Which is fine and higher than plenty of “stars”.

I think this is true, but it's also true that it feels overwhelmingly likely that it is not sustainable (to me). However, if he can average 62.5% TS% for a year, Giddey's a very good player, defensive warts and all.

[zimpy27]

Giddey was 17/8/7 @ 52% TS on OKC without SGA
Giddey has been 17/8/7 @ 60% TS on Bulls without LaVine

What's also notable with the Bulls is the improves defensive stats and 3 shooting.

Giddey has improved every year in his scoring. I think at peak he will have a 20 point triple double season.

Surrounding him with 3+D players does provide Bulls a path towards playoffs and maybe contention depending on the quality of the 3+D players.

,

An outsider that believes in The Giddler!

Peak 20pt trip dub season… has anyone ever done that?

Well Westbrook did in Washington the season before he joined Lakers. But he did on 51% TS.

That wizards team went to the playoffs and Westbrook got MVP votes.

[DASMACKDOWN]

We just have to be cost efficient no matter what.

But besides all that, what I notice so far, is we keep moving the goal post for Giddey.

Because he basically has improved on every metrics we asked over the course of the season. But some people still want to crap on it for whatever reason and say things like he deserves no more than 15 mil. That is absurd.

[Jvaughn]

We just have to be cost efficient no matter what.

But besides all that, what I notice so far, is we keep moving the goal post for Giddey.

Because he basically has improved on every metrics we asked over the course of the season. But some people still want to crap on it for whatever reason and say things like he deserves no more than 15 mil. That is absurd.

Yeah, this is what scares me. FO already threw huge (undeserved) money at PAW when it was clear to anyone watching, we were going into a rebuilding process. Tying an additional $25-30 million into Giddey would mean we'd have over a quarter of our cap spoken for in 2 players when we're nowhere near ready to compete. I think Giddey can be one of the most important pieces on a contender, but we have to make sure we navigate this cap correctly b

[RSP83]

Can we give Giddey Zach's old contract (4 yr, 78 million)?

I just realized Pat is making roughly the same. Which means Giddey will probably receive more, 4 yr 92 million should be a fair value no?

[sco]

Can we give Giddey Zach's old contract (4 yr, 78 million)?

I just realized Pat is making roughly the same. Which means Giddey will probably receive more, 4 yr 92 million should be a fair value no?

If I'm guessing right now, it will come in at 4/85.

[sco]

Giddey’s clips are always 3+ mins because they show his assists too.

https://youtu.be/anQbqj0rgXI?si=rxWqd46jILuThOzF

The things that stand out to me in what he does that makes a team better are that:

1) He is actually able to penetrate deep into the paint off the dribble in the half court and create gravity.
2) He drives in the paint with his head up and consistently finds both cutters and open 3pt shooters
3) He is able to keep defenders on his back when driving

Those are things that the really good big playmakers do, and something I haven't seen on the Bulls this century.