Foul baiting: Do you have a problem with this play?

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Do you think this should be a foul?

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Re: Foul baiting: Do you have a problem with this play? 

Post#81 » by dhsilv2 » Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:27 pm

guynumber45 wrote:My biggest complaint are the body-to-body contact fouls. Guys like Shai, who have a more slender build, will often exaggerate the contact they face on collisions and get the benefit of the doubt. Meanwhile, a stronger player will not receive the same call because they can play through the contact. It's a frustrating double-standard of the game that I wish would be eliminated.


You're 100% right...but also those slender guys do legit sometimes just get knocked down. I don't believe every time these guys fall it's a flop. There's a huge size and weight gap between some of these guys. This was a good example. Brown's significantly bigger. And with how these guys are just launching themselves and trying to dance around players, sometimes a good bump is going to knock you on your butt.
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Post#82 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:32 pm

RunOKC wrote:A lot has been said about SGA being a FT merchant who gets a soft whistle from the officials.

Here's an example from last nights game that was posted to reddit. Link to the thread in the spoiler. You'll find thousands of people commenting in agreement that this shouldn't be a foul.



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You clearly see Brown sticks his arm into Shai's chest/left arm and Shai makes the officials call it by attempting to go up for a shot. This was called as a rip through/foul on the floor, but OKC was in the bonus and got free throws.

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As long as I've been watching the NBA (since 2007~) this has been called a foul on the defense. Shai's quickness and IQ is just on another level and he's able to draw these "cheap" fouls a few times per game, which is understandably frustrating for the opponent and their fans. I have a hard time believing if a player on your favorite team did the same that you wouldn't see this as a foul considering precedent. I'll admit that Shai does get some BS calls (and he likely won't get those in the post season), but then I see people complaining about obvious fouls and wonder if the overall narrative is outpacing reality.

How would you ideally like to see a play like this officiated? Is it as simple as rocking your head back to sell contact equals no foul call? Let's hear it.


brown was reaching, it didn't get called so SGA wisely created more contact and sold it. i have no problem with that. brown's reach should have been called before sga did anything. iow, you described it well.
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Post#83 » by Karate Diop » Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:14 pm

It's frustrating... The league nerfed Trae Young and then gave certain players a free pass to do like OG Trae...

Shai and Brunson are probably the two worst in the league at this.
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Post#84 » by axeman23 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:28 am

Lunartic wrote:Unnatural basketball play by SGA should result in no shooting foul.

Just call the tickytack foul when Tatum originally shoves his hand into SGA to impede his dribble. SGA making some unnatural, shot attempt when a defender is blocking him, should void any chance of it being a shooting foul. (Bonus obv applies)


I mean, I agree with this take, for sure. But as per the OP, the C's were already in the bonus, so SGA would've got the FTs regardless. Just talking about THIS particular case. i do believe OKC's "smaller" wing defenders get away with a lot more extra-curricular stuff vs bigger players, but that's an argument for another thread, another day.
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Post#85 » by og15 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:14 am

Nice timing, someone who has the time in their hands since they make money off this stuff went and combed through the footage:

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Post#86 » by DanEu » Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:50 am

Ehhh don't hate the player hate the game and all that. The rules allow for this kind of play and SGA is super good at exploiting them.
That said....I don't like it. Faul baiting just feels wrong to me.
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Post#87 » by MrGoat » Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:24 am

That's a reach in foul. Jaylen needs to play more fundamentally sound defense
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Post#88 » by RB34 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:28 am

og15 wrote:Nice timing, someone who has the time in their hands since they make money off this stuff went and combed through the footage:




He’s really really good and he plays the foul game.

Part of the issue is exactly what Finch said.
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Post#89 » by Ayt » Sun Mar 16, 2025 3:00 am

Peregrine01 wrote:Your thread title and poll title is diametrically opposed so it may lead to some bad polling FYI.


It is always hilarious when people do this.
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Post#90 » by Ayt » Sun Mar 16, 2025 3:04 am

That was an obvious foul by Brown with his right arm.
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Post#91 » by AussieCeltic » Sun Mar 16, 2025 4:06 am

2 opposition coaches in a row calling out the officiating vs OKC.

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Post#92 » by lakerz12 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 4:32 am

Yes it is a foul - on SGA. He initiated the contact.
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Post#93 » by Xatticus » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:22 am

AussieCeltic wrote:2 opposition coaches in a row calling out the officiating vs OKC.

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Bickerstaff was a clown tonight. He was inciting his players and the crowd instead of doing his job. Had he been doing his job, Cunningham wouldn't have gotten thrown out for not knowing what the hell was going on. Or perhaps Isaiah Stewart could've informed his teammates that he had committed a stupid foul that put Williams at the free throw line.

Ultimately, Bickerstaff got what he wanted as Detroit was getting away with some very physical play down the stretch which allowed them to get back into the game. Their downfall was their inability to score from their half-court offense.
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Post#94 » by Ayt » Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:52 am

lakerz12 wrote:Yes it is a foul - on SGA. He initiated the contact.


SGA forced Brown to push his forearm into him before SGA went up for the shot? Dude is a **** magician.
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Post#95 » by BadMofoPimp » Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:09 am

Bockerstaff had every right to be angry when his team was the victim of the worst officiating I have witnessed this season. The Ref's gifted the Thunder that game. Just about every drive Cade made he was fouled and most were not called yet SGA was able to get calls sometimes without even being touched. It sure appears the NBA definitely has an agenda. That is all on Silver and his goon refs..
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Post#96 » by DrModesty » Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:31 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:Bockerstaff had every right to be angry when his team was the victim of the worst officiating I have witnessed this season. The Ref's gifted the Thunder that game. Just about every drive Cade made he was fouled and most were not called yet SGA was able to get calls sometimes without even being touched. It sure appears the NBA definitely has an agenda. That is all on Silver and his goon refs..


Tonight Shai shot 10 free throws.

5 were free throws off techs because the Pistons got themselves on the ref's bad side. 2 were an intentional foul at the end of the game. He got 2 free throws on a drive where Holland hooked his arm around Shai's. He got a 1 on an And1 where Ausar put his arm out in front of him as he was driving.

So he got free throws twice while shooting 26 times.
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Post#97 » by BadMofoPimp » Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:44 am

DrModesty wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Bockerstaff had every right to be angry when his team was the victim of the worst officiating I have witnessed this season. The Ref's gifted the Thunder that game. Just about every drive Cade made he was fouled and most were not called yet SGA was able to get calls sometimes without even being touched. It sure appears the NBA definitely has an agenda. That is all on Silver and his goon refs..


Tonight Shai shot 10 free throws.

5 were free throws off techs because the Pistons got themselves on the ref's bad side. 2 were an intentional foul at the end of the game. He got 2 free throws on a drive where Holland hooked his arm around Shai's. He got a 1 on an And1 where Ausar put his arm out in front of him as he was driving.

So he got free throws twice while shooting 26 times.


Did you watch the same game, this wasn't just SGA, but the Ref's doing a horrible job overall. Go on Reddit and you will see everyone except OKC fans screaming about the Biased Ref's. Ref called flagrant foul for someone landing on SGA's foot then called one when nobody touched SGA. It was that blatant. Bickerstaff is justified in his response.
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Post#98 » by Statlanta » Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:45 am

Exaggerating contact(shooting in conditions you would never shoot because you are feeling illegal defense) is akin to snitching and nobody likes tattle-tales. Gilgeous-Alexander doesn't complain much to the refs(Luka Doncic) but he might as well be a serial whistleblower with his displays of jumping around the court the second a defender gains advantage.

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Post#99 » by AussieCeltic » Sun Mar 16, 2025 9:36 am

DrModesty wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Bockerstaff had every right to be angry when his team was the victim of the worst officiating I have witnessed this season. The Ref's gifted the Thunder that game. Just about every drive Cade made he was fouled and most were not called yet SGA was able to get calls sometimes without even being touched. It sure appears the NBA definitely has an agenda. That is all on Silver and his goon refs..


Tonight Shai shot 10 free throws.

5 were free throws off techs because the Pistons got themselves on the ref's bad side. 2 were an intentional foul at the end of the game. He got 2 free throws on a drive where Holland hooked his arm around Shai's. He got a 1 on an And1 where Ausar put his arm out in front of him as he was driving.

So he got free throws twice while shooting 26 times.



The issue is when the opposition drives, OKC can be more physical and gets away with more contact.

SGA does flop, but he also gets fouled a lot. The problem is down the other end when refs don’t call the same fouls.
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Post#100 » by DrModesty » Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:06 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
DrModesty wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Bockerstaff had every right to be angry when his team was the victim of the worst officiating I have witnessed this season. The Ref's gifted the Thunder that game. Just about every drive Cade made he was fouled and most were not called yet SGA was able to get calls sometimes without even being touched. It sure appears the NBA definitely has an agenda. That is all on Silver and his goon refs..


Tonight Shai shot 10 free throws.

5 were free throws off techs because the Pistons got themselves on the ref's bad side. 2 were an intentional foul at the end of the game. He got 2 free throws on a drive where Holland hooked his arm around Shai's. He got a 1 on an And1 where Ausar put his arm out in front of him as he was driving.

So he got free throws twice while shooting 26 times.


Did you watch the same game, this wasn't just SGA, but the Ref's doing a horrible job overall. Go on Reddit and you will see everyone except OKC fans screaming about the Biased Ref's. Ref called flagrant foul for someone landing on SGA's foot then called one when nobody touched SGA. It was that blatant. Bickerstaff is justified in his response.



Yes I watched the game.

The Pistons were giving up a lot of undisciplined fouls.

The first call you are talking about is when Dort landed on SGA's foot and hurt his groin. It never got called a flagrant foul. On that play Cade pushed Dort back with his forearm as he was driving (but not full arm extension so no foul) and unfortunately Dort landed on SGA's foot. The foul actually called on the play was called was against Beef Stew because he grabbed J-Will and /spun/threw him under the basket so he couldn't rebound. They reviewed the play to check if what happened to Dort was a hostile act, and it ended up staying a common foul against Beef Stew as it should have, because Cade didn't actually commit a hostile act.

That was actually the same play that led to Cade being thrown out. The Thunder were in the bonus and J-Will was to shoot free throws because of the foul by Beef Stew. The refs almost let J-Will shoot a technical style free throw. Cade called the refs out about it, so the refs let everyone line up, but Cade kept yapping at them as J-Will was about to shoot the free throw. Soft technical against Cade, but he brought it on himself. Then he and Schroeder kept complaining to the refs, even with one of the Pistons support staff trying to stop Cade. Soft ejection that spoiled the game a bit, but it was all self inflicted.

I am not sure which specific play you are talking about for the second one. At one point in the game there was a foul called for Shai that got overturned by challenge. That play was Ausar extending his arm and putting his hand in Shai's gut while Shai pushed off Ausar and they also banged knees. The ref that called the foul could only see Ausar put his hand on Shai from her angle.

Shai drew 2 other fouls in the game. One was Tobias grabbing at Shai as he got beaten by the drive. Shai immediately threw up a shot and didn't get the shooting foul (He was doing the 'Look refs, I got fouled, call it' routine). I can see how that one would annoy people because it isn't a natural shooting motion, but the issue is that it took throwing up the shot to prompt the refs in to calling the foul at all. The second one was a Shai drive where Duren jumped from A-B near the rim taking Shai out on his pass out to J-Will (who hit the 3 and had the shot wiped away because of the foul).

By the way, Reddit is a terrible place to try and source viewpoints from. The entire website makes a hobby of getting swept up in narratives and searching out for things to complain about. They very rarely give examples of the perceived grievances they have and often when they do, they are flatly wrong. Case in point is the Jaylen Brown foul on Shai from a few days ago that spawned this very thread, where everyone on reddit was saying it was no foul.

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