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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#341 » by garrick » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:01 am

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Saberestar wrote:Interesting results in the poll at BSOTS:




That way the Suns would go under the 2nd apron next year gaining flexibility and with the salary cap going up around 5% every year those $22M wouldn't be such a big deal in 2028 and 2029.

Not sure if I would do it but it's option to consider for real.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2025/3/18/24388120/phoenix-suns-bradley-beal-waive-stretch-trade-flexibility-roster-rebuild-2025-offseason-ishbia


Seeing how Cody is helping us wing games with defense I would be open to keeping him but of course this means we need to get rid of someone else if we want to get under the 2nd apron. I think Grayson probably is the one that needs to be moved but his contract is no longer a good value with his injury woes and his falling back to earth after a spectacular first season in Phoenix.


Stretching Beal
Keeping Booker
Both are just moves that a desperate owner makes to seem like he is “trying”
Sorry - not falling for it
Maybe the people who like Book more than actually winnning will approve do they can keep his jersey are good with it - but it makes no sense

Stretching Beal just takes future cap space
More activity over accomplishment
Truly not sure why trading Booker is off the table

I can make a rational argument that the team built around Beal after trading for Booker is better than a team built around Booker, stretching Beal would be better


I would be open to trading Booker too but depends what we're getting in return and accepting trash in return doesn't make any sense.

Also if we're keeping Booker it makes more sense to waive and stretch Beal now because Book's drop off in a couple years could be steep if he can't become a more consistent 3 point shooter as he's already below average in terms of speed and athleticism.

Book has probably a 2-3 year window of him playing at a really high level and after that he likely won't be as efficient and probably worse on defense.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#342 » by sunsbum » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:04 am

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Frank Lee wrote:Book wants to stay then Book gets to stay… for now. This is a three yr project to become relevant again. No real rush. Moving KD and a few others will be a better focus and if done right (haha) will make us at least watchable.

Book isn’t going to hurt us, and a handful of picks and whatever players are not necessarily going to make much of a difference. It’s just more trade fodder to WinNowWishbia and crew and these guys aren’t quite batting .500 with their dealings.

Disagree. Booker hasn’t earned the right to not be traded. How many titles does he have.
Booker might be happy making 55m living in PV

The goal is to win a title. Not make the playin game


His value only goes down from here.

Explore his value.
this is barely debatable. Booker has every right to stay here and if he wants to try and turn this thing around It makes me like him even more. Ishbia isn’t trading him and he don’t want to leave. Let go of the wishful thinking and start identifying some talent we can put around him. We need an Alpha on this team badly though. That’s going to be the toughest thing to find.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#343 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:23 am

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Post#344 » by BurningHeart » Fri Mar 21, 2025 5:11 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#345 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Mar 21, 2025 5:22 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#346 » by Puff » Fri Mar 21, 2025 6:18 am

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BobbieL wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Book wants to stay then Book gets to stay… for now. This is a three yr project to become relevant again. No real rush. Moving KD and a few others will be a better focus and if done right (haha) will make us at least watchable.

Book isn’t going to hurt us, and a handful of picks and whatever players are not necessarily going to make much of a difference. It’s just more trade fodder to WinNowWishbia and crew and these guys aren’t quite batting .500 with their dealings.

Disagree. Booker hasn’t earned the right to not be traded. How many titles does he have.
Booker might be happy making 55m living in PV

The goal is to win a title. Not make the playin game


His value only goes down from here.

Explore his value.


You think a bucket of draft picks and some middling players are going to be a ‘contender’ any time soon?

I get it, many have soured on book, but this is a better team with him and a proper cast, than without.

His value isn’t going to change. Yall have gone pick crazy


I agree with you on Book and I also am not convinced that we will be better next year without KD. I really have enjoyed the last couple of games. We will see how the dor in the next couple of weeks. The challenge for Bud is what to do with both Beal and Allen if they ever get healthy.

I love Gillespie and Martin. I hope he does not limit their minutes to play the two high salary guys that always seem to be in street Clothes. If Bud sits either Dunn or Oso, he should be fired at halftime.

If we trade KD I remain not convinced that we are going to get as much as folks think.

I know he is old and makes some really dumb mistakes, but the man can put the ball in the basket and can be a good passer. He just makes too many dumb ass turnovers. If we do trade him, not convinced Ishbia will trade him, we need to get a guy that either is a star or has the potential to be a star in the package.

The two biggest challenges are what to do with Beal and Bud. That will define our off season.
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Post#347 » by Saberestar » Fri Mar 21, 2025 6:28 am

The Bulls won @ Sacramento tonight.

We are 2.5 games away from them and we have the last game of the RS against them. We can be 9th yet.
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Post#348 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Mar 21, 2025 9:02 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#349 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Mar 21, 2025 9:23 am

Saberestar wrote:The Bulls won @ Sacramento tonight.

We are 2.5 games away from them and we have the last game of the RS against them. We can be 9th yet.


On a side note, Portland and Sacramento are also still playing each other which means a guaranteed loss for either team. If Portland loses, it strengthens our hold on the 10th spot, if Sacramento loses it inches us closer to the 9th spot.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#350 » by sunsfan1o1 » Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:44 pm

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Saberestar wrote:The Bulls won @ Sacramento tonight.

We are 2.5 games away from them and we have the last game of the RS against them. We can be 9th yet.


On a side note, Portland and Sacramento are also still playing each other which means a guaranteed loss for either team. If Portland loses, it strengthens our hold on the 10th spot, if Sacramento loses it inches us closer to the 9th spot.

This is pathetic. We’re hoping for a play in position which shouldn’t even exist
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Post#351 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:02 pm

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Saberestar wrote:The Bulls won @ Sacramento tonight.

We are 2.5 games away from them and we have the last game of the RS against them. We can be 9th yet.


On a side note, Portland and Sacramento are also still playing each other which means a guaranteed loss for either team. If Portland loses, it strengthens our hold on the 10th spot, if Sacramento loses it inches us closer to the 9th spot.

This is pathetic. We’re hoping for a play in position which shouldn’t even exist


The Suns winning a championship through the playins is just a reality that hasn't manifested itself yet. Quasimodo predicted all of this.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#352 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:08 pm

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Post#353 » by BobbieL » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:25 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:Book wants to stay then Book gets to stay… for now. This is a three yr project to become relevant again. No real rush. Moving KD and a few others will be a better focus and if done right (haha) will make us at least watchable.

Book isn’t going to hurt us, and a handful of picks and whatever players are not necessarily going to make much of a difference. It’s just more trade fodder to WinNowWishbia and crew and these guys aren’t quite batting .500 with their dealings.

Disagree. Booker hasn’t earned the right to not be traded. How many titles does he have.
Booker might be happy making 55m living in PV

The goal is to win a title. Not make the playin game


His value only goes down from here.

Explore his value.
this is barely debatable. Booker has every right to stay here and if he wants to try and turn this thing around It makes me like him even more. Ishbia isn’t trading him and he don’t want to leave. Let go of the wishful thinking and start identifying some talent we can put around him. We need an Alpha on this team badly though. That’s going to be the toughest thing to find.



Again, explain to me what Booker has done to earn the right to stay - how many titles does he have?

This is not about what Devin Booker wants or fans who just have his jersey, the goal is to win a title.

You said it - the team needs an alpha because Booker is not an Alpha. Durant will get you good pieces but Booker can get you better pieces. Its not wishful thinking - wishful thinking is the team can build around Booker and Booker will be a leader who will get this team to a title. Thats fantasy land. This year has proved that. He and Booker can go and I won't miss either one
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Post#354 » by BobbieL » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:26 pm

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If the Hawks really offered this, you take it and run. That's a beast of an offer for Durant.


There might just be good offers for Durant

Houston is still lurking too
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#355 » by sunsbum » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:47 pm

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BobbieL wrote:Disagree. Booker hasn’t earned the right to not be traded. How many titles does he have.
Booker might be happy making 55m living in PV

The goal is to win a title. Not make the playin game


His value only goes down from here.

Explore his value.
this is barely debatable. Booker has every right to stay here and if he wants to try and turn this thing around It makes me like him even more. Ishbia isn’t trading him and he don’t want to leave. Let go of the wishful thinking and start identifying some talent we can put around him. We need an Alpha on this team badly though. That’s going to be the toughest thing to find.



Again, explain to me what Booker has done to earn the right to stay - how many titles does he have?

This is not about what Devin Booker wants or fans who just have his jersey, the goal is to win a title.

You said it - the team needs an alpha because Booker is not an Alpha. Durant will get you good pieces but Booker can get you better pieces. Its not wishful thinking - wishful thinking is the team can build around Booker and Booker will be a leader who will get this team to a title. Thats fantasy land. This year has proved that. He and Booker can go and I won't miss either one
I’m not debating with you about Bookers trade value because Matt has made the rules. The boards vision vs Matt’s are 2 very different pictures and I bet yours and mine are probably pretty parallel. But the fact is Matt runs this universe. So unfortunately we play in his sandbox. The difference between you and I is Im not going to sit here and waste my time tearing down book for fantasy draft simulator purposes. It is what it is. Book is a great player and a good kid that we’ve built a championship team around before.
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Post#356 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:57 pm

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If the Hawks really offered this, you take it and run. That's a beast of an offer for Durant.


This is a very solid package for a 37 yr old expiring KD! But I'm just not sure there's any way they'd opt to do this, especially without guarantees from KD that he'd resign there. Just seems like a lot for a 1 year rental which is probably what Atlanta would become for him?
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Post#357 » by Frank Lee » Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:29 pm

That’s Atlanta offer is just some Jass doing what posters do here…..he just has a different forum to post it. Fn click bait from a chatterhead. We get enough of that with GDeKleins’ dream deals 8-)

I’m not 100% certain how the second apron reads. I believe we can not do a sign and trade….but can we extend KD then trade him?

The Slim Weeper could get in the way of any deal if he does not agree to stay with his new team. If we can’t extend him and then trade him, he might as well have a NO Trade clause.
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Post#358 » by BobbieL » Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:37 pm

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sunsbum wrote: this is barely debatable. Booker has every right to stay here and if he wants to try and turn this thing around It makes me like him even more. Ishbia isn’t trading him and he don’t want to leave. Let go of the wishful thinking and start identifying some talent we can put around him. We need an Alpha on this team badly though. That’s going to be the toughest thing to find.



Again, explain to me what Booker has done to earn the right to stay - how many titles does he have?

This is not about what Devin Booker wants or fans who just have his jersey, the goal is to win a title.

You said it - the team needs an alpha because Booker is not an Alpha. Durant will get you good pieces but Booker can get you better pieces. Its not wishful thinking - wishful thinking is the team can build around Booker and Booker will be a leader who will get this team to a title. Thats fantasy land. This year has proved that. He and Booker can go and I won't miss either one
I’m not debating with you about Bookers trade value because Matt has made the rules. The boards vision vs Matt’s are 2 very different pictures and I bet yours and mine are probably pretty parallel. But the fact is Matt runs this universe. So unfortunately we play in his sandbox. The difference between you and I is Im not going to sit here and waste my time tearing down book for fantasy draft simulator purposes. It is what it is. Book is a great player and a good kid that we’ve built a championship team around before.


What Ishbia said through the meda, doesn't really matter
It is what he does in July that matters..
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#359 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Mar 21, 2025 5:19 pm

sunsbum wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Book wants to stay then Book gets to stay… for now. This is a three yr project to become relevant again. No real rush. Moving KD and a few others will be a better focus and if done right (haha) will make us at least watchable.

Book isn’t going to hurt us, and a handful of picks and whatever players are not necessarily going to make much of a difference. It’s just more trade fodder to WinNowWishbia and crew and these guys aren’t quite batting .500 with their dealings.

Disagree. Booker hasn’t earned the right to not be traded. How many titles does he have.
Booker might be happy making 55m living in PV

The goal is to win a title. Not make the playin game


His value only goes down from here.

Explore his value.
this is barely debatable. Booker has every right to stay here and if he wants to try and turn this thing around It makes me like him even more. Ishbia isn’t trading him and he don’t want to leave. Let go of the wishful thinking and start identifying some talent we can put around him. We need an Alpha on this team badly though. That’s going to be the toughest thing to find.

Sorry but you are wrong. Booker is equivalent to Gilbert Arenas stat wise. They both did the same things. Booker isn’t a pilar of the community. I live in Phx, he’s NEVER around except for some token photo ops. He doesn’t have the love that Fitzgerald has or Majerle, or even Doan has within Phx. He’s been more interested in himself.

He’s not a “role model” or “humble” (see his bitching about not being picked by the fans, coaches or the league to be an All-Star”. He’s not even an example setter.

Me and you have very different views on Booker. I think you are just a fan boy and you think I’m just a hater. Problem is I’ve see. Plenty of “Booker” type players come and go over the last 25 years. All stats no substance.

To me, to earn that “I get a say in if I stay or go” has to be earned from the heart you put into an organization, the heart you put into a community, the leadership example you have been to a team from day one, being completely humble, and being able to carry a team on your back. Booker is none of that.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#360 » by King4Day » Fri Mar 21, 2025 5:30 pm

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Sunsdeuce wrote:Who were the opponents during that stretch of games?

Sacramento Kings
LA Lakers
Toronto Raptors
Chicago Bulls


W, L, W, W?


Seeing as even just a month ago, we would have been swept, I still take it as a positive.
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