Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[fansinceforever]

People keep saying this but what exactly does this look like to you guys? We have the 6 players under contract for next season in Giannis, Dame, Kuzma, AJ Green, Pat, Tyler Smith, and zero draft picks (I guess a 2nd round pick in the mid-40's if you wanna get technical). A lot of you guys aren't gonna like the scenario that likely ends up happening, but it's still probably the best scenario.

This is the off-season where the conversation with Giannis that we've all been dreading takes place. Just my prediction.

Ok, but if that's true then we actually do need to worry about how we're gonna retain KPJ and whatever other meager young talent that's on the roster. There's no way around our inability to navigate a full scale rebuild without access to any of our draft picks until 2031.

It's going to be difficult but there's still a way. We all need to be fans of whoever's playing against OKC during the playoffs. They're our ticket.

We don't control our own destiny but it's the best available option. My comment is more aimed at the idea that in the scenario - retaining KPJ is kind of a who GAF.

[paulpressey25]

If there is any sort of silver lining to Dame getting shut down (assuming/praying this doesn't end his career), it's that I don't see how it doesn't severely lessen the odds of Giannis "asking out".

At the end of the day, only Giannis knows if he wants to leave Milwaukee. My guess is no, regardless of Dame. But the media pressure on him will be relentless.

Just be glad he hangs out with his family and not guys like LeBron, Harden, etc. Those dudes would be recruiting him nonstop. I'm just hoping the family is happy living in Milwaukee.

[pifhluk23]

I still wonder why you giannis only fans even post here. This is the bucks forum not the Giannis one. Dudes got a freak medical condition and you post some clown stuff like this. MD should put you in timeout for this one.

The team is cooked now 0% chance Dame is back this year, show me one reasonable path to winning a championship from here? You literally cannot. So we might as well trade Giannis so that A) he can try and win somehwere else and B) Get max value for him. I hung on as long as I could being an optimist about this team having a shot at a title but this Dame news seals the deal.

Poor Giannis on the supermax deal. Dudes a wealthy wealthy man because the bucks organization believed in him. They owe him no favors so he can “win” trading Giannis isn’t gonna happen my dude.

Hes 31 next season.. this is the teams last chance for max value

[fansinceforever]

The team is cooked now 0% chance Dame is back this year, show me one reasonable path to winning a championship from here? You literally cannot. So we might as well trade Giannis so that A) he can try and win somehwere else and B) Get max value for him. I hung on as long as I could being an optimist about this team having a shot at a title but this Dame news seals the deal.

Poor Giannis on the supermax deal. Dudes a wealthy wealthy man because the bucks organization believed in him. They owe him no favors so he can “win” trading Giannis isn’t gonna happen my dude.

Hes 31 next season.. this is the teams last chance for max value

Exactly. If there's any slippage at all in Giannis' game, we're an NBA graveyard for the next 6 years.

I agree you don't trade him unless he asks out but I just have a hard time believing those discussions aren't being entertained on both sides.

[BroncoBuck]

**** it, let’s clear a roster spot and sign Delly. Their season just ended and he’d at least add some fun to this depressing team. Maybe we get another Delly playoff moment.

[Dick Tate]

Kpj situation is complex

You want him to start but you also very much need his creation with Giannis off so it also makes sense to bring him off the bench.

You want him to step up and be able to score 15-20 per game for us with Dame out but if he plays too well we may not be able to afford him.

You have to play him big minutes now that the opportunity is there. If you don't, then you alienate him and he signs elsewhere.

[WiscoKing13]

**** it, let’s clear a roster spot and sign Delly. Their season just ended and he’d at least add some fun to this depressing team. Maybe we get another Delly playoff moment.

I had the opposite reaction when I saw Delly won MVP yesterday for the Australia league. How embarrassing for their league.

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[steger_3434]

Why is Giannis always talked about in regards to leaving but jokic isn’t? Jokic is arguably better than Giannis, hasn’t won any more, and while Denver is bigger than Milwaukee it’s still a smaller market media wise within the nba landscape


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[Ron Swanson]

This is the off-season where the conversation with Giannis that we've all been dreading takes place. Just my prediction.

Ok, but if that's true then we actually do need to worry about how we're gonna retain KPJ and whatever other meager young talent that's on the roster. There's no way around our inability to navigate a full scale rebuild without access to any of our draft picks until 2031.

It's going to be difficult but there's still a way. We all need to be fans of whoever's playing against OKC during the playoffs. They're our ticket.

We don't control our own destiny but it's the best available option. My comment is more aimed at the idea that in the scenario - retaining KPJ is kind of a who GAF.

I mean, why? You're actually hoping to trade Giannis for their collection of picks with next to zero lottery upside?

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/oklahoma-city-thunder/21/draft-picks

[ReasonablySober]

Why is Giannis always talked about in regards to leaving but jokic isn’t? Jokic is arguably better than Giannis, hasn’t won any more, and while Denver is bigger than Milwaukee it’s still a smaller market media wise within the nba landscape


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I think with Jokic he's never really given off that he seriously cares about anything basketball related, whereas with Giannis all you hear from him is winning is the only important thing. So when the Bucks don't win it's easier to think of him wanting out.

Didn't realize until now that they're both FA's after the '27 season. Can you imagine if, after a couple years of not seriously contending, that both indicate they're going to test free agency?

[Profound23]

Why is Giannis always talked about in regards to leaving but jokic isn’t? Jokic is arguably better than Giannis, hasn’t won any more, and while Denver is bigger than Milwaukee it’s still a smaller market media wise within the nba landscape


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I think with Jokic he's never really given off that he seriously cares about anything basketball related, whereas with Giannis all you hear from him is winning is the only important thing. So when the Bucks don't win it's easier to think of him wanting out.

Didn't realize until now that they're both FA's after the '27 season. Can you imagine if, after a couple years of not seriously contending, that both indicate they're going to test free agency?

and join forces, in Milwaukee

[fansinceforever]

Ok, but if that's true then we actually do need to worry about how we're gonna retain KPJ and whatever other meager young talent that's on the roster. There's no way around our inability to navigate a full scale rebuild without access to any of our draft picks until 2031.

It's going to be difficult but there's still a way. We all need to be fans of whoever's playing against OKC during the playoffs. They're our ticket.

We don't control our own destiny but it's the best available option. My comment is more aimed at the idea that in the scenario - retaining KPJ is kind of a who GAF.

I mean, why? You're actually hoping to trade Giannis for their collection of picks with next to zero lottery upside?

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/oklahoma-city-thunder/21/draft-picks

What does Utah and Philly pick protection become in 2026? The Dallas and Clippers swap rights in 2028/2027 are also intriguing.

We're also getting players coming back in this situation too.

It's not optimal but we're no longer in optimal position.

[ReasonablySober]

Ok, but if that's true then we actually do need to worry about how we're gonna retain KPJ and whatever other meager young talent that's on the roster. There's no way around our inability to navigate a full scale rebuild without access to any of our draft picks until 2031.

It's going to be difficult but there's still a way. We all need to be fans of whoever's playing against OKC during the playoffs. They're our ticket.

We don't control our own destiny but it's the best available option. My comment is more aimed at the idea that in the scenario - retaining KPJ is kind of a who GAF.

I mean, why? You're actually hoping to trade Giannis for their collection of picks with next to zero lottery upside?

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/oklahoma-city-thunder/21/draft-picks

Houston's the answer. They've got young talent, pick swap rights to Brooklyn's '27, Phoenix's unprotected '27, and the two most favorable '29 picks between Houston, Dallas, and Phoenix.

[Bernman]

Our own picks or gtfo.

[Ron Swanson]

Mentioned it a few weeks back, but if you're trading him this summer, then I have no idea why you'd call up anyone besides New Orleans and have the offer start at Zion, #4, and the rest of our future picks/swaps back. You can be mad that the front office put is in this position (it was still worth it for the championship), but if you're gonna pre-emptively nuke the Giannis era for assets, tanking for the next 2-years only to give up a couple Top-10 picks to the Pelicans seems like a pretty awful rebuild strategy.

[MickeyDavis]

Yeah trying to do any kind of meaningful rebuild without having picks or controlling our picks for the next 6 years would be tough.

[JayMKE]

Sad news about Dame and I don’t know what it means going forward but I do agree it doesn’t significantly alter the trajectory of the team this season just the expectations. I guess this means there might be reason to try it again next season, not ever seeing Giannis and Dame together in the playoffs is obviously a big time miss for this team. I’d lean towards change but what are the options really. Let KPJ cook, maybe the D improves we’ll probably see more Rollins too. Maybe Giannis can go superhuman is not ran into the ground.

[paulpressey25]

Yeah trying to do any kind of meaningful rebuild without having picks or controlling our picks for the next 6 years would be tough.

The NOP picks and swaps are somewhat compromised by future deals NOP made with those picks.

I want our Portland picks back. And Portland has a bucketload of interesting young players as well. That said, I don't think he'd want to go to Portland.

[paulpressey25]

Mentioned it a few weeks back, but if you're trading him this summer, then I have no idea why you'd call up anyone besides New Orleans and have the offer start at Zion, #4, and the rest of our future picks/swaps back. You can be mad that the front office put is in this position (it was still worth it for the championship), but if you're gonna pre-emptively nuke the Giannis era for assets, tanking for the next 2-years only to give up a couple Top-10 picks to the Pelicans seems like a pretty awful rebuild strategy.

Zion, Flagg (if they got #1) and our what they can actually deal of our picks/swaps back would be interesting. I'm far less interested if the pick is #4.

[Bernman]

We're committed to having it work w/ Giannis thru 2027 at least, and that's what we should tell him. Give us 2 years on a plan B, then we'll trade him, to Portland, or w/ them as the 3rd team in the deal, while we get all our remaining picks back so we actually benefit from sucking.