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[Ron Swanson]

How would you all feel about kristaps?

If we had problems with Khris’s injuries, we’re going to have the same problem with Kristaps, but when he’s played, he’s been able to play heavier minutes than Lhris.

I think we could get him without giving up a 1st or Dame.

He’s a heck of a lot better than Kuzma, and he’s a better spacer than brook while providing defensive value. If he could be acquired cheaply, we could still use the 1st in a different deal to bolster the rest of the roster.

I'd be all for it, but I don't see how we're getting him with just Kuzma and Pat's contracts. Would need a 3rd team to eat salary and that would then necessitate moving either the 2031 1st or a 2032 pick swap.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I’m not sure there ever was a great time to trade Khris.

This is the truth that a lot of people just aren't willing or able to accept.

[ReasonablySober]

The last time I think he was genuinely tradable would have been the spring of 2022. He'd been having a typical nice Middleton season. Bucks were in their title defense season and Middleton was a year away from FA. It would have taken a seriously bold move to send him out at that time.

[Siefer]

I continue to be flabbergasted by the Middleton for Kuzma trade, and I think Middleton is mostly washed! We locked into a longer contract, for a 29 year old JaVale McGee type guy who plays the same position as our future hall of famer.

[soxperry]

Yeah you cant trade Khris right after the title.

Would love to have Jrue with Dame but that doesn't save us right now either.

[Ron Swanson]

If a singular graph told the entire story....

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The shooting talent on this roster is absolutely carrying this moronic offensive scheme/coaching staff, and has been all season. Punt Doc into the Sun and this team instantly becomes a Top-8 offense again.

[Matches Malone]

I feel like haslam could say the same exact thing with the Bucks, just insert Dame/Doc for Deshaun. These idiots are all about the "Big Swing" brand name players/coaches with zero clue what they are scouting/looking for to help their teams.

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[yannisk]

I have not seen anything this (and last) season to convince me that we had any chance against Celtics or Cavaliers. That was before Dame's thrombosis. So the most likely scenario was that after get eliminated we would have traded Dame and tried to compete with Giannis and what we got for Dame.

I don't believe Dame will play in the playoffs. He is going to get anticoagulants for three months and you cannot do contact sports while on those. His trade value during the summer will be close to zero. So will have to start the season with basically the same team, maybe we will have another Forbes, Beasley etc in place of Trent. We don't have the assets or cap space to do something drastic.

Scenario 1. We trade Dame mid season and try to do a rebuild around Giannis. Giannis will be 31 next year we won't manage to build a contender till he declines. Even now that he has great stats his impact is not what it used to be.

Scenario 2. Trade Giannis this summer, let Dame rebuild his trade value and trade him as well. We should be getting many assets for Giannis and reasonable assets for Dame. At least there will be some interest with the picks and young players we will get.

[Dick Tate]

Bucks have a tasty schedule the rest of the way, Detroit the last 2 games of the season is the only team we play that’s not either in a play-in scenario or completely eliminated. Suns, Philly, Pelicans twice, Heat, Wolves and Detroit twice to end the year, @ Detroit and then home the final game. Would be awfully nice to end the year on a nice winning streak and take back control of the 5 seed for a better matchup vs Indiana. As much as I hate it, I’m unable to not be optimistic about the Bucks. A part of me will always believe as long as Giannis is healthy we have a fighters chance to do the unthinkable. BUCKS IN 6!

5 seed? Were headed for the play in. Which is honestly preferable, get this season over with as quick as possible.

Losing the play-in, winning the lottery and seeing Flagg go to New Orleans would be the perfect capper to this crapper.

[soxperry]

What would happen with Lillard's contract if he has to retire this off season

I guess retire is the wrong word. What if the prognosis just isn't good and his long-term health is in jeopardy but he doesn't want to give up the money. What happens then?

[soxperry]

Bucks have a tasty schedule the rest of the way, Detroit the last 2 games of the season is the only team we play that’s not either in a play-in scenario or completely eliminated. Suns, Philly, Pelicans twice, Heat, Wolves and Detroit twice to end the year, @ Detroit and then home the final game. Would be awfully nice to end the year on a nice winning streak and take back control of the 5 seed for a better matchup vs Indiana. As much as I hate it, I’m unable to not be optimistic about the Bucks. A part of me will always believe as long as Giannis is healthy we have a fighters chance to do the unthinkable. BUCKS IN 6!

5 seed? Were headed for the play in. Which is honestly preferable, get this season over with as quick as possible.

Losing the play-in, winning the lottery and seeing Flagg go to New Orleans would be the perfect capper to this crapper.

At this point that would probably be the best possible outcome.

The Holiday trade was great and every one of us would do it over again. This season looks to be over so why not gift New Orleans a stud prospect after Zion completely **** all over them for the last 5 years

[soboMP3]

As much as where we’ve now landed sucks, it was still all worth it for the 2021 title. It sucks that it seems we’ll prob never have another deep run with Giannis on the roster but we at least went for it and made it to the summit.

There have been a lot of great teams that never made it over the hump so will try not to take the 2021 title for granted and the work it took from the franchise to get there.

I think we’re in the natural decline all great teams eventually face. It’s hard to retool a once great team. Can anyone think of a team that has done it outside of the Spurs and Bulls?

I don't think it was worth it.

Firstly, I value something like 10 years of contention or belief in it, over 1 title. Because you go thru all those down years. We did for 26 of 27 years, and that was not fun.

Secondly, we were 1 shot away (in 3 different quarters) from probably winning a title in '18-19, & that was as a green playoff team. Then we give away 7 1st rd picks & more prospects for Dame who helps us win nothing, & Jrue who was terrible on O in the playoffs. We'd have had nearly as good of a shot to win w/out them. And even if we didn't, we'd have been consistent contenders, then not tanked our future for almost a decade.

WAT. Insanely worth it. I was bawling like a baby after the championship. I was almost bawling at the parade when I walked up to Wisconsin/Water and witnessed it in person. I have pictures of the championship run in my office facing me right now. Nothing will ever come close to that. Good Lord, what an absolutely AWFUL take. LMAO

[Bernman]

WAT. Insanely worth it. I was bawling like a kid after the championship. I was almost bawling at the parade I witnessed in person. I have pictures of the championship run in my office facing me right now. Nothing will ever come close to that. Good Lord, awful take.

Good Lord what a stupid thing to say. It's subjective & people's personal experience. Some value the journey more than the destination, cuz the former's exponentially longer. If you could have both you'd take that obviously, but it's not the dilemma.

The Pistons won a 'ship. Then in part cuz they went all in they didn't win a playoff game for 15 yrs. That's a rough journey. We had 1 for 27 yrs. W/out creativity we'll be down bad again. 15 yrs from now, some perspectives would undoubtedly change. Unlike you though IDGAF others differed.

[RRyder823]

WAT. Insanely worth it. I was bawling like a kid after the championship. I was almost bawling at the parade I witnessed in person. I have pictures of the championship run in my office facing me right now. Nothing will ever come close to that. Good Lord, awful take.

Good Lord what a stupid thing to say. It's subjective & people's personal experience. Some value the journey more than the destination, cuz the former's exponentially longer. If you could have both you'd take that obviously, but it's not the dilemma.

The Pistons won a 'ship. Then in part cuz they went all in they didn't win a playoff game for 15 yrs. That's a rough journey. We had 1 for 27 yrs. W/out creativity we'll be down bad again. 15 yrs from now, some perspectives would undoubtedly change. Unlike you though IDGAF others differed.

Hold up.

Didn't you say you'd rather have 10 years of contention (or even just belief on contention) versus just a single championship?

What about 6-7 years of that contention with a championship thrown in or would you say that championship isn't worth the extra 3 years?

Or is your entire argument pretty much never go all in because you might be sacrificing the NEXT 5-10 years?

I can understand the point of the latter in say the NFL as the PO format is much more volatile and it's get in and see what happens most years but in the NBA even the marquee franchises generally(not always) have to take out at least slight mortgages on their futures to win it all and this is Milwaukee we're talking about



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[Dick Tate]

5 seed? Were headed for the play in. Which is honestly preferable, get this season over with as quick as possible.

Losing the play-in, winning the lottery and seeing Flagg go to New Orleans would be the perfect capper to this crapper.

At this point that would probably be the best possible outcome.

The Holiday trade was great and every one of us would do it over again. This season looks to be over so why not gift New Orleans a stud prospect after Zion completely **** all over them for the last 5 years

I'd prefer they stay bad so they don't swap picks with the Bucks next year.

[Wooderson]

I feel like haslam could say the same exact thing with the Bucks, just insert Dame/Doc for Deshaun. These idiots are all about the "Big Swing" brand name players/coaches with zero clue what they are scouting/looking for to help their teams.

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[Bernman]

Hold up.

Didn't you say you'd rather have 10 years of contention (or even just belief on contention) versus just a single championship?

What about 6-7 years of that contention with a championship thrown in or would you say that championship isn't worth the extra 3 years?

Or is your entire argument pretty much never go all in because you might be sacrificing the NEXT 5-10 years?

I can understand the point of the latter in say the NFL as the PO format is much more volatile and it's get in and see what happens most years but in the NBA even the marquee franchises generally(not always) have to take out at least slight mortgages on their futures to win it all and this is Milwaukee we're talking about

Obviously I'd say the 6-7 yrs of contention w/ a championship over 10 w/out one. The 10 yrs of contention v. 1 random yr winning a championship is a hypothetical, speaking more to my philosophy. It doesn't exactly describe our situation or a typical one.

Our situation was, we were already slightly lower-tiered contenders. Then for a few years, to be slightly higher-tiered contenders, we dealt away picks (& assets) 7 years into the future. After that you might need 5-7 more to be very good again. Sacrificing 12-14 years for a slightly higher chance of winning a championship. Now, we did in that span (who knows if we'd have in the alternative route). But I'd have rather taken my chances in the other route, preserved the future, and lived w/ the results in the interim.

The Bucks could dig their way out of this in a plan B win now, or a rebuild. But I don't think the average front office would pull it off w/ what they have to work w/, let alone the one the Bucks have had during this time. So I'm not optimistic. Not where you want to be as a fan.

[BroncoBuck]

I continue to be flabbergasted by the Middleton for Kuzma trade, and I think Middleton is mostly washed! We locked into a longer contract, for a 29 year old JaVale McGee type guy who plays the same position as our future hall of famer.

Middleton isn’t mostly washed, he’s well done. Kuzma takes up a fraction of the cap and most importantly got the Bucks out of the aprons so they have flexibility this Summer. Again, the returning value in the Khris trade was the cap space and flexibility this offseason. The Wizards are paying Khris 65 million dollars to not play basketball.

[fansinceforever]

Ignoring the fact that Middleton should've been moved long before he was for much better value.
Other than the ability to aggregate players in a trade, what other flexibility did we gain?

We're still ****.

[BroncoBuck]

Ignoring the fact that Middleton should've been moved long before he was for much better value.
Other than the ability to aggregate players in a trade, what other flexibility did we gain?

We're still ****.

Full MLE, aggregate players, more picks available to trade. Full MLE should be about 4yrs/60 million dollars. That’s a pretty damn good player.