PG: fake contenders

[Gravy]

You guys do know and understand that when it's Game 1 at Cleveland, that none of these regular season games will matter, right?

And I'm saying it now if JB and Mitch are healthy, we will win that series.

We’re beating Boston ?

Channeling the Giants run, Brunson our Eli

[DOT]

"If"

[Fat Kat]

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[prophet_of_rage]

Mikal allows us to actually play 5 out and can be the secondary ballhandler. He will have the ball in his hands a lot, the same way Josh does when paired with JB.

This roster was put together on the notion that the offensive output will overwhelm most defenses and make up for weak rim protection. The wings were supposed to make sure nobody really pressured the rim all game.

We haven't experimented with doing what it takes to fully validate that theory.

Then what does Deuce do? Deuce will handle the ball more than Mikal. And you can play 5 out with Hart. It isn't just stand and sling 3s. Deuce and Mikal aren't particular spectqcular at that.

You have no dirty work guy or sacrifice guy with that lineup. Mikal.is better as captiqn of the second unit like RJ.

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You can't play 5 out with Hart. Nobody guards Hart on the perimeter and we shouldn't be catering our entire offense around getting Hart into the action in order to get his man away from the rim.

Deuce becomes the sacrifice guy. He doesn't bring the rebounding and transition play, but he doesn't bring much better defense, shooting and
overall team spacing.

This debate is pointless because it is theoretical. No matter where you stand, we should have had the answer to this question one way or another by now.

You absolutely can play 5 out with Hart. 5 ouy isn't every man standing around the 3 point line and their men hugging them. You can use Hart as a weakside cutter or screener and consider his man in help so you can drive and dish yo him cutting in. He can off ball screen so man can get to the middle. He can drive it himself and make a read. He can handoff or hit cutters since there's no pressure on his passing.

There's always going to be bodies in the paint aginst a 5 out offence. The weakside defenders will collapse in the paint on any drive.

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[ctorres]

Knicks aren’t getting out of the first round

Cade turns the ball over almost 5 times a game.

We really don't have better players than Malik Beasley, Tobias Harris, Jalen Duren, Dennis Schroder, Tim Hardaway Jr, and Ausar Thompson?

They have been overachieving all season and then some

[GONYK]

Then what does Deuce do? Deuce will handle the ball more than Mikal. And you can play 5 out with Hart. It isn't just stand and sling 3s. Deuce and Mikal aren't particular spectqcular at that.

You have no dirty work guy or sacrifice guy with that lineup. Mikal.is better as captiqn of the second unit like RJ.

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You can't play 5 out with Hart. Nobody guards Hart on the perimeter and we shouldn't be catering our entire offense around getting Hart into the action in order to get his man away from the rim.

Deuce becomes the sacrifice guy. He doesn't bring the rebounding and transition play, but he doesn't bring much better defense, shooting and
overall team spacing.

This debate is pointless because it is theoretical. No matter where you stand, we should have had the answer to this question one way or another by now.

You absolutely can play 5 out with Hart. 5 ouy isn't every man standing around the 3 point line and their men hugging them. You can use Hart as a weakside cutter or screener and consider his man in help so you can drive and dish yo him cutting in. He can off ball screen so man can get to the middle. He can drive it himself and make a read. He can handoff or hit cutters since there's no pressure on his passing.

There's always going to be bodies in the paint aginst a 5 out offence. The weakside defenders will collapse in the paint on any drive.

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I know what the options are. I don't think I want our offense be centered around Josh being the one doing them.

[3toheadmelo]

KAT and Mikal are both assets

Our top players are all assets

We are very close to having the 4th best record in all of the NBA and even without Brunson we are still winning more games than we lose

Mikal and KAT can win games for us without Brunson having to play. We went from being fully co-dependent on Brunson to now being able to be competitive without him. Mikal and KAT are difference makers for the simple fact that the Knicks have won games without Brunson.

We’re 0-8 against OKC, Cleveland and Boston. Those guys aren’t difference makers against the elite teams. They beat up on trash teams. What is your goal here? To win a championship or be a fake contender?

As always, that’s just the easy thing to say after a loss. Let me ask you: Which true difference maker could we have realistically added instead, where results would’ve certainly been better than Boston’s and Cleveland’s right away? What is your goal here? It’s safe to say your hero was even worse this year than he had been with us already (and that really says something given the pathetic effort and decision making he had displayed or the historically bad playoff resume to go with that), so keeping that bum around certainly wouldn’t have helped edge those teams. Assuming we still had them, what would you do specifically with those five picks that could move us past Cleveland or Boston right away? What is your goal here?

I say the front office absolutely seized and maximized our opportunity and we can still get to the top simply by staying on track. This team is now loaded with talent, and you have to be a real hater to disregard what Bridges and OG have shown or how Towns has outplayed his predecessor this year.
Meanwhile all you have in store is Giannis this, Durant that yada yada yada. That’s just bush league posting to me. Please stop crying after every loss, it’s annoying af. This is a process and we’re only in year one.

You before you typed all of that

[3toheadmelo]

Spoiler:

It's funnier now that the Wolves have a worse record than they did last year, and it's not like Ant has missed a month of basketball like Brunson has.

And last year’s Knicks team has a better net rating than this Knicks team, better defensive rating, able to beat contenders. List goes on

Of course you didn’t mention that Randle was injured for a month and the Timberwolves went 5-8 without him. Since he came back they are 13-3.

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Why is a Wolves h0mer telling me about Randle on a Knicks board, take it to the Ex thread or the Wolves board. They're WORSE than last year, they had a better net rating last season, they won more games last season with KAT.

You can't even help yourself

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Timberwolves and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Then what does Deuce do? Deuce will handle the ball more than Mikal. And you can play 5 out with Hart. It isn't just stand and sling 3s. Deuce and Mikal aren't particular spectqcular at that.

You have no dirty work guy or sacrifice guy with that lineup. Mikal.is better as captiqn of the second unit like RJ.

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You can't play 5 out with Hart. Nobody guards Hart on the perimeter and we shouldn't be catering our entire offense around getting Hart into the action in order to get his man away from the rim.

Deuce becomes the sacrifice guy. He doesn't bring the rebounding and transition play, but he doesn't bring much better defense, shooting and
overall team spacing.

This debate is pointless because it is theoretical. No matter where you stand, we should have had the answer to this question one way or another by now.

You absolutely can play 5 out with Hart. 5 ouy isn't every man standing around the 3 point line and their men hugging them. You can use Hart as a weakside cutter or screener and consider his man in help so you can drive and dish yo him cutting in. He can off ball screen so man can get to the middle. He can drive it himself and make a read. He can handoff or hit cutters since there's no pressure on his passing.

There's always going to be bodies in the paint aginst a 5 out offence. The weakside defenders will collapse in the paint on any drive.

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You can't play 5 out with Josh off the ball if he's not making threes. Good teams put their center on him. This is what an actual 5 out offense looks like -





They're starting their offense 30 feet from the basket, because every single player is behind the 3 point line and the opposing center cannot just leave KP.




This is how good teams treat Hart when he doesn't have the ball





Sengun is below the foul line, not even thinking about him.





Look at how far Mobley is off him, he's got both feet in the paint

If you replaced Hart with a good shooter, the floor balance shifts and guys can't have both feet in the paint if that shooter is in the corner. The Cavs have two bigs, which hurts us because we're small and ontop of that Hart isn't a good / willing shooter. Against other good teams, they continue to put their center on him, and the only way to combat that is have him on the ball a lot or pray that he's willing to take threes. In the playoffs last season he made them, at the start of this season he was making them, since the new year he's shooting 28% on threes.


If Hart doesn't make the three he's a liability against good teams when he's off ball, it's why he's second on the team in touches per game. He has to have the ball to be respected.

[prophet_of_rage]

You can't play 5 out with Hart. Nobody guards Hart on the perimeter and we shouldn't be catering our entire offense around getting Hart into the action in order to get his man away from the rim.

Deuce becomes the sacrifice guy. He doesn't bring the rebounding and transition play, but he doesn't bring much better defense, shooting and
overall team spacing.

This debate is pointless because it is theoretical. No matter where you stand, we should have had the answer to this question one way or another by now.

You absolutely can play 5 out with Hart. 5 ouy isn't every man standing around the 3 point line and their men hugging them. You can use Hart as a weakside cutter or screener and consider his man in help so you can drive and dish yo him cutting in. He can off ball screen so man can get to the middle. He can drive it himself and make a read. He can handoff or hit cutters since there's no pressure on his passing.

There's always going to be bodies in the paint aginst a 5 out offence. The weakside defenders will collapse in the paint on any drive.

The Warriors play 5 out and nobody had to play Draymond Green.

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You can't play 5 out with Josh off the ball if he's not making threes. Good teams put their center on him. This is what an actual 5 out offense looks like -





They're starting their offense 30 feet from the basket, because every single player is behind the 3 point line and the opposing center cannot just leave KP.




This is how good teams treat Hart when he doesn't have the ball





Sengun is below the foul line, not even thinking about him.





Look at how far Mobley is off him, he's got both feet in the paint

If you replaced Hart with a good shooter, the floor balance shifts and guys can't have both feet in the paint if that shooter is in the corner. The Cavs have two bigs, which hurts us because we're small and ontop of that Hart isn't a good / willing shooter. Against other good teams, they continue to put their center on him, and the only way to combat that is have him on the ball a lot or pray that he's willing to take threes. In the playoffs last season he made them, at the start of this season he was making them, since the new year he's shooting 28% on threes.


If Hart doesn't make the three he's a liability against good teams when he's off ball, it's why he's second on the team in touches per game. He has to have the ball to be respected.

You don't. You have Hart as a cutter finisher. Start the action away from him. The centre is then a regular help defender. You drive and dish to a slashing Hart who finishes i the 60 per cents around the rim.

You.won't see anybody defemd the Knicks 5 out with Deuce like that. Who here hits 25 footers regularly.

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[FrozenEnvelope]

You guys do know and understand that when it's Game 1 at Cleveland, that none of these regular season games will matter, right?

And I'm saying it now if JB and Mitch are healthy, we will win that series.

We’re beating Boston ?

Yes.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Spoiler:

And last year’s Knicks team has a better net rating than this Knicks team, better defensive rating, able to beat contenders. List goes on

Of course you didn’t mention that Randle was injured for a month and the Timberwolves went 5-8 without him. Since he came back they are 13-3.

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Why is a Wolves h0mer telling me about Randle on a Knicks board, take it to the Ex thread or the Wolves board. They're WORSE than last year, they had a better net rating last season, they won more games last season with KAT.

You can't even help yourself

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Timberwolves and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Randle and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.


See, I can also just "I'm rubber you're glue" method as well, we can get ourselves into a nice feedback loop where you copy what I say, and I just copy what you say. And no, the whole point of dishing out things is so that you don't have to take it, that's the entire point of MMA and Boxing, to hit without getting hit and you got a warning yet again, cause you can't help it.

[FrozenEnvelope]

You guys do know and understand that when it's Game 1 at Cleveland, that none of these regular season games will matter, right?

And I'm saying it now if JB and Mitch are healthy, we will win that series.

We’re beating Boston ?

Channeling the Giants run, Brunson our Eli

Cleveland are the Dallas Cowboys and Boston are the New England Patriots.

[GONYK]

Why is a Wolves h0mer telling me about Randle on a Knicks board, take it to the Ex thread or the Wolves board. They're WORSE than last year, they had a better net rating last season, they won more games last season with KAT.

You can't even help yourself

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Timberwolves and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Randle and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.


See, I can also just "I'm rubber you're glue" method as well, we can get ourselves into a nice feedback loop where you copy what I say, and I just copy what you say. And no, the whole point of dishing out things is so that you don't have to take it, that's the entire point of MMA and Boxing, to hit without getting hit and you got a warning yet again, cause you can't help it.

Both of you....stop. This is what Hamsterdam is for.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You absolutely can play 5 out with Hart. 5 ouy isn't every man standing around the 3 point line and their men hugging them. You can use Hart as a weakside cutter or screener and consider his man in help so you can drive and dish yo him cutting in. He can off ball screen so man can get to the middle. He can drive it himself and make a read. He can handoff or hit cutters since there's no pressure on his passing.

There's always going to be bodies in the paint aginst a 5 out offence. The weakside defenders will collapse in the paint on any drive.

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You can't play 5 out with Josh off the ball if he's not making threes. Good teams put their center on him. This is what an actual 5 out offense looks like -





They're starting their offense 30 feet from the basket, because every single player is behind the 3 point line and the opposing center cannot just leave KP.




This is how good teams treat Hart when he doesn't have the ball





Sengun is below the foul line, not even thinking about him.





Look at how far Mobley is off him, he's got both feet in the paint

If you replaced Hart with a good shooter, the floor balance shifts and guys can't have both feet in the paint if that shooter is in the corner. The Cavs have two bigs, which hurts us because we're small and ontop of that Hart isn't a good / willing shooter. Against other good teams, they continue to put their center on him, and the only way to combat that is have him on the ball a lot or pray that he's willing to take threes. In the playoffs last season he made them, at the start of this season he was making them, since the new year he's shooting 28% on threes.


If Hart doesn't make the three he's a liability against good teams when he's off ball, it's why he's second on the team in touches per game. He has to have the ball to be respected.

You don't. You have Hart as a cutter finisher. Start the action away from him. The centre is then a regular help defender. You drive and dish to a slashing Hart who finishes i the 60 per cents around the rim.

You.won't see anybody defemd the Knicks 5 out with Deuce like that. Who here hits 25 footers regularly.

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The opposing big is playing off him so much they may as well be in a zone, the Celtics defend him with their big, the Thunder as well, almost every game against good teams where we've been blitzkrieged involves Hart having a C on him and our offense grinding to a halt.

[3toheadmelo]

Why is a Wolves h0mer telling me about Randle on a Knicks board, take it to the Ex thread or the Wolves board. They're WORSE than last year, they had a better net rating last season, they won more games last season with KAT.

You can't even help yourself

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Timberwolves and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Randle and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.


See, I can also just "I'm rubber you're glue" method as well, we can get ourselves into a nice feedback loop where you copy what I say, and I just copy what you say. And no, the whole point of dishing out things is so that you don't have to take it, that's the entire point of MMA and Boxing, to hit without getting hit and you got a warning yet again, cause you can't help it.

I didn’t get hit with any warning just seeing you play victim when you started it is soft as hell though. Out here looking like

[NoDopeOnSundays]

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Timberwolves and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Randle and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.


See, I can also just "I'm rubber you're glue" method as well, we can get ourselves into a nice feedback loop where you copy what I say, and I just copy what you say. And no, the whole point of dishing out things is so that you don't have to take it, that's the entire point of MMA and Boxing, to hit without getting hit and you got a warning yet again, cause you can't help it.

I didn’t get hit with any warning just seeing you play victim when you started it is soft as hell though. Out here looking like

Both of you....stop. This is what Hamsterdam is for.

[3toheadmelo]

All I did was quote you because you couldn’t help yourself and talk about the Randle and here you are trying to backseat moderate cause you can’t take what you can’t dish.


See, I can also just "I'm rubber you're glue" method as well, we can get ourselves into a nice feedback loop where you copy what I say, and I just copy what you say. And no, the whole point of dishing out things is so that you don't have to take it, that's the entire point of MMA and Boxing, to hit without getting hit and you got a warning yet again, cause you can't help it.

I didn’t get hit with any warning just seeing you play victim when you started it is soft as hell though. Out here looking like

Both of you....stop. This is what Hamsterdam is for.

I was typing up my response when he posted that. Nice try tho

[Iron Mantis]

WTH are they talking about?

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[Spree2Houston]

You guys do know and understand that when it's Game 1 at Cleveland, that none of these regular season games will matter, right?

And I'm saying it now if JB and Mitch are healthy, we will win that series.

We’re beating Boston ?

Yes.