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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1161 » by Clutch0z24 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:03 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:love the length, moves really good in the open floor. Gaining momentum on his 3's towards end of year.




Everyone saying Giannis.....So many get compared to Giannis but nah this don't look like Giannis to me....Giannis attacks the basket with fury....If i had to compare Noa to anyone it would be Josh Childress back in the Hawks days.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1162 » by Clutch0z24 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:09 pm

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Dylan Harper is the perfect player for Toronto. I might even like him better than Flagg because of the fit as we need a dynamic handler who attacks the paint and can finish.

Also, he seems like a really level-headed guy thanks to his good family. Perfect, hardworking culture player who comes from an NBA family.

He'd be a dream to be selected, but a top two pick would be very lucky as we only have a 7.8% chance.


Harper would be the best outcome for us if its not Flagg....Harper is by far the 2nd best player in this class and maybe could be the best when all is said and done....Im a big believer in his game.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1163 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:13 pm

This team needs a quick penetrating guard that can finish at the rim and in result draw defenders and gain advantages for his teammates. Harper does just that. I think IQ created a total of 4 layup's/dunks this year for his teammates when driving. He would be the perfect fit if we somehow landed at #2. Good luck
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1164 » by TimeForChange » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:24 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:This team needs a quick penetrating guard that can finish at the rim and in result draw defenders and gain advantages for his teammates. Harper does just that. I think IQ created a total of 4 layup's/dunks this year for his teammates when driving. He would be the perfect fit if we somehow landed at #2. Good luck

10 years from now Harper may have a better resume than Cooper
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1165 » by Nature » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:37 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1166 » by bballsparkin » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:17 pm

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A Banton floor? Ouch. We better walk away from this draft with better than that!


That is just a brief comparison, and that would be the floor.
Anyone we draft will have risk, such as Barnes who can have a high ceiling if he work hard in the off season to improve his skills (eg. footwork, shooting, etc.), but if he doesn't, he is stuck at the same skill set and being the floor.


I hear you. I was being a little bit silly. My main concern is I think the team needs to get someone who can shoot. We already have Barnes and Jakob plus Mogbo as a prospect. From the clips I've seen with Noa it looks like perhaps he has potential there. Like you said he shoots 75% from FT and that is promising. I agree with the anyone drafted will have risks. That's why I can't make up my mind.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1167 » by Dalek » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:56 pm

In comparing two lanky forward prospects, why do draft people love Noa Essengue but dislike Asa Newell?

They seem like the same prospect if you look at their per36 numbers / shooting splits. B

oth are 6'9 ish wing/forward types who in theory can shoot it and play inside. Given the American lean of this team, wouldn't Asa be preferred?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1168 » by Indeed » Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:01 am

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Indeed wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:
A Banton floor? Ouch. We better walk away from this draft with better than that!


That is just a brief comparison, and that would be the floor.
Anyone we draft will have risk, such as Barnes who can have a high ceiling if he work hard in the off season to improve his skills (eg. footwork, shooting, etc.), but if he doesn't, he is stuck at the same skill set and being the floor.


I hear you. I was being a little bit silly. My main concern is I think the team needs to get someone who can shoot. We already have Barnes and Jakob plus Mogbo as a prospect. From the clips I've seen with Noa it looks like perhaps he has potential there. Like you said he shoots 75% from FT and that is promising. I agree with the anyone drafted will have risks. That's why I can't make up my mind.


I think the team needs more than someone who can shoot.
Carter Bryant shoots 37% from 3, which is why he is higher than Essengue. Neither of them can create their own shot yet, but their quickness should have that potential. Bryant looks like Giannis at SF to me, so I would not be surprised we pick him even at 7.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1169 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:33 am

Dalek wrote:In comparing two lanky forward prospects, why do draft people love Noa Essengue but dislike Asa Newell?

They seem like the same prospect if you look at their per36 numbers / shooting splits. B

oth are 6'9 ish wing/forward types who in theory can shoot it and play inside. Given the American lean of this team, wouldn't Asa be preferred?


Noah is more of a 3 while Asa is more of a 4 who you wish was a 5
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1170 » by Indeed » Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:39 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Dalek wrote:In comparing two lanky forward prospects, why do draft people love Noa Essengue but dislike Asa Newell?

They seem like the same prospect if you look at their per36 numbers / shooting splits. B

oth are 6'9 ish wing/forward types who in theory can shoot it and play inside. Given the American lean of this team, wouldn't Asa be preferred?


Noah is more of a 3 while Asa is more of a 4 who you wish was a 5


Newell is more a 5 who maybe the size of 4. Essengue is more a 4 who wants to be a 3.
Unless Newell shows more ball handling and perimeter skill, he would be an undersize 5.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1171 » by Brinbe » Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:47 am

Dalek wrote:In comparing two lanky forward prospects, why do draft people love Noa Essengue but dislike Asa Newell?

They seem like the same prospect if you look at their per36 numbers / shooting splits. B

oth are 6'9 ish wing/forward types who in theory can shoot it and play inside. Given the American lean of this team, wouldn't Asa be preferred?

I've had the same thought because ultimately they're gonna play the same sort of role as tweener bigs but people like the mystery box of essengue and pretending he's ever gonna be strong enough to have an on-ball role in the league, even though he was playing in the german league, which is like the 4th/5th strongest in europe, instead of appreciating the stuff that newell did as a frosh in the SEC.

part and parcel with people also overrating what players do in transition play in terms of athleticism/flashy plays instead of worrying about what they do in the half-court.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1172 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:05 am

Indeed wrote:
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Dalek wrote:In comparing two lanky forward prospects, why do draft people love Noa Essengue but dislike Asa Newell?

They seem like the same prospect if you look at their per36 numbers / shooting splits. B

oth are 6'9 ish wing/forward types who in theory can shoot it and play inside. Given the American lean of this team, wouldn't Asa be preferred?


Noah is more of a 3 while Asa is more of a 4 who you wish was a 5


Newell is more a 5 who maybe the size of 4. Essengue is more a 4 who wants to be a 3.
Unless Newell shows more ball handling and perimeter skill, he would be an undersize 5.


I agree, Asa is the size of a 4, I wish he was 7ft so he could be in play with us at 7 with the other C's
Noa was playing SF like a yr ago, he grew over the last 12months
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1173 » by MainEvent » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:15 am

Indeed wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:
Indeed wrote:
That is just a brief comparison, and that would be the floor.
Anyone we draft will have risk, such as Barnes who can have a high ceiling if he work hard in the off season to improve his skills (eg. footwork, shooting, etc.), but if he doesn't, he is stuck at the same skill set and being the floor.


I hear you. I was being a little bit silly. My main concern is I think the team needs to get someone who can shoot. We already have Barnes and Jakob plus Mogbo as a prospect. From the clips I've seen with Noa it looks like perhaps he has potential there. Like you said he shoots 75% from FT and that is promising. I agree with the anyone drafted will have risks. That's why I can't make up my mind.


I think the team needs more than someone who can shoot.
Carter Bryant shoots 37% from 3, which is why he is higher than Essengue. Neither of them can create their own shot yet, but their quickness should have that potential. Bryant looks like Giannis at SF to me, so I would not be surprised we pick him even at 7.



What makes Bryant like Giannis?

Even going back to watch Carter in some high school tape he rarely can use his dribble to by his man and attack the basket. I think I saw him do it like once or twice total, way more finesse. He wants to shoot the 3 or take a couple dribbles and pull up for a middy.

He gets all his attempts at the rim by cutting, getting put backs, attacking a close out here n there and in transition. Some players get put in a box in college and you can look back at their high school tape to see they have some extra juice that was hidden in certain areas but he played similar to how he was used in college from what I've seen. 3D athletic great size, good in transition and as a cutter. I don't think he has much on ball game
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1174 » by Indeed » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:26 am

MainEvent wrote:
Indeed wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:
I hear you. I was being a little bit silly. My main concern is I think the team needs to get someone who can shoot. We already have Barnes and Jakob plus Mogbo as a prospect. From the clips I've seen with Noa it looks like perhaps he has potential there. Like you said he shoots 75% from FT and that is promising. I agree with the anyone drafted will have risks. That's why I can't make up my mind.


I think the team needs more than someone who can shoot.
Carter Bryant shoots 37% from 3, which is why he is higher than Essengue. Neither of them can create their own shot yet, but their quickness should have that potential. Bryant looks like Giannis at SF to me, so I would not be surprised we pick him even at 7.



What makes Bryant like Giannis?

Even going back to watch Carter in some high school tape he rarely can use his dribble to by his man and attack the basket. I think I saw him do it like once or twice total, way more finesse. He wants to shoot the 3 or take a couple dribbles and pull up for a middy.

He gets all his attempts at the rim by cutting, getting put backs, attacking a close out here n there and in transition. Some players get put in a box in college and you can look back at their high school tape to see they have some extra juice that was hidden in certain areas but he played similar to how he was used in college from what I've seen. 3D athletic great size, good in transition and as a cutter. I don't think he has much on ball game


More with his attitude than his impact.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1175 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:35 am

I think we just need to stop putting Giannis’ name in these comparisons lol no one really fits that bill.

But Carter > Noa easily for me. Again I don’t want a wing that can’t shoot and NE doesn’t look like much of a defender either.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1176 » by Clutch0z24 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:50 am

MainEvent wrote:
Indeed wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:
I hear you. I was being a little bit silly. My main concern is I think the team needs to get someone who can shoot. We already have Barnes and Jakob plus Mogbo as a prospect. From the clips I've seen with Noa it looks like perhaps he has potential there. Like you said he shoots 75% from FT and that is promising. I agree with the anyone drafted will have risks. That's why I can't make up my mind.


I think the team needs more than someone who can shoot.
Carter Bryant shoots 37% from 3, which is why he is higher than Essengue. Neither of them can create their own shot yet, but their quickness should have that potential. Bryant looks like Giannis at SF to me, so I would not be surprised we pick him even at 7.



What makes Bryant like Giannis?

Even going back to watch Carter in some high school tape he rarely can use his dribble to by his man and attack the basket. I think I saw him do it like once or twice total, way more finesse. He wants to shoot the 3 or take a couple dribbles and pull up for a middy.

He gets all his attempts at the rim by cutting, getting put backs, attacking a close out here n there and in transition. Some players get put in a box in college and you can look back at their high school tape to see they have some extra juice that was hidden in certain areas but he played similar to how he was used in college from what I've seen. 3D athletic great size, good in transition and as a cutter. I don't think he has much on ball game


Reminds me of a slight more athletic Kyle Kuzma to me.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1177 » by arbsn » Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:25 am

I would love Harper on the Raps but he needs to cut his hair. I can’t think of one great player with hair like that. It can’t be an asset…
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1178 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:31 am

arbsn wrote:I would love Harper on the Raps but he needs to cut his hair. I can’t think of one great player with hair like that. It can’t be an asset…


Cade?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1179 » by mademan » Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:36 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:
MainEvent wrote:
Indeed wrote:
I think the team needs more than someone who can shoot.
Carter Bryant shoots 37% from 3, which is why he is higher than Essengue. Neither of them can create their own shot yet, but their quickness should have that potential. Bryant looks like Giannis at SF to me, so I would not be surprised we pick him even at 7.



What makes Bryant like Giannis?

Even going back to watch Carter in some high school tape he rarely can use his dribble to by his man and attack the basket. I think I saw him do it like once or twice total, way more finesse. He wants to shoot the 3 or take a couple dribbles and pull up for a middy.

He gets all his attempts at the rim by cutting, getting put backs, attacking a close out here n there and in transition. Some players get put in a box in college and you can look back at their high school tape to see they have some extra juice that was hidden in certain areas but he played similar to how he was used in college from what I've seen. 3D athletic great size, good in transition and as a cutter. I don't think he has much on ball game


Reminds me of a slight more athletic Kyle Kuzma to me.


Defense will be his calling card. Seems like the exact opposite of Kuz
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1180 » by Clutch0z24 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:38 am

mademan wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
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What makes Bryant like Giannis?

Even going back to watch Carter in some high school tape he rarely can use his dribble to by his man and attack the basket. I think I saw him do it like once or twice total, way more finesse. He wants to shoot the 3 or take a couple dribbles and pull up for a middy.

He gets all his attempts at the rim by cutting, getting put backs, attacking a close out here n there and in transition. Some players get put in a box in college and you can look back at their high school tape to see they have some extra juice that was hidden in certain areas but he played similar to how he was used in college from what I've seen. 3D athletic great size, good in transition and as a cutter. I don't think he has much on ball game


Reminds me of a slight more athletic Kyle Kuzma to me.


Defense will be his calling card. Seems like the exact opposite of Kuz


Kyle Kuzma is actually not a bad defender especially in his Lakers days.
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