The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[BobbieL]

For those people clamoring for OG Anunoby in a KD to Knicks trade, I get liking him, but honestly, why pay $40-45 million per year for Anunoby and have to worry about his injury issues too when we could just draft Adou Theiro with an early 2nd round pick in a trade??

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He's currently ranked as the 37th pick of the 2nd round, and could be had fairly easily by acquiring an early 2nd from a trade of either Allen or O'neale.

Charlotte-
Allen/ CLE 27' 1st to Charlotte for G Williams/ 33rd and 34th picks in the 25 draft. ** Grant Williams can replace O'neale.

Brooklyn-
O'neale to Brooklyn for 25' 2nd (36th pick)/ ATL 26' 2nd.

Not giving up a 27 FRP for two current SRPs

Now if you can send Allen and the 2025 FRP - don't the Suns have one and get the two 2nd Round picks this year
that said - I am good with Grant Williams as he expires a year before Allen - well allen has an option

I get there are protections on picks but tired of sending out future FRPs and chasing them....

[BobbieL]

Yeah, i am also infatuated with 'Ro, but there is no man in this organization able to actually evaluate prospects and find gold. I'm not even sure Ishbia and rocks around him even entertain an idea of spending any time on scouting and the draft as a whole. Maybe if we hire a proper GM and he himself insists being surrounded with capable associates he trusts. Can't see that at all, this charade with 'Ishbia is not pulling the trigger' narrative they are feeding the fans now is just hilarious. If Jones is leaving, it will be some random headnodder in his place. Nothing to see here, please disperse.

I can’t root for this team any longer. I’m definitely not as strong as Saberaster. What should I do mate?

I have my own struggle as well. This product is definitely atrocious and made me not care for the first time in my life. Hope dies last, i still dream of divine intervention and our owner realizing he can not run the franchise without top tier executives and that he would eventually take the back seat. Even i am contemplating a hiatus from purple&orange. If this idiot does something stupid again this off-season and there is still no reaction or a concrete initiative from the fandom, i might just give up. If people in AZ are ok with one man toying and ruining the franchise and they are happy with watching this dumpsterfire without raising a finger, then maybe they don't deserve better at all.

I have to see what happens the next 75 days but if they do what has been reported: keep Booker, sign him to an extension, move on from Beal..
my guess, fans will be happy for about 20 games because "thank god Booker is back" but after that - it will be a slow decline as the future of the team is shot to hell

Gambo and Flex can tweet all they want about management playing 3D chess, getting atougher team, blah blah. But the results will just moving on from this average player to another average player.

[Revived]

Spoiler:

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”If you ask people in Phoenix, they would say I’m a great owner”

There’s no fcking way he just said that right? Was this altered by AI or something?

Is Sabestar the only contact that Ishbia has when it comes to “people in Phoenix” who aren’t directly employed by the team?

[schnakenpopanz]

Every FO who will go into trade talks with the suns will know that at the other end there are some clueless people working their magic.

[BobbieL]

Gerald just said Durant would bring back the most value back from the Big 3

He is 100% wrong

Booker would!

[Ghost of Kleine]

For those people clamoring for OG Anunoby in a KD to Knicks trade, I get liking him, but honestly, why pay $40-45 million per year for Anunoby and have to worry about his injury issues too when we could just draft Adou Theiro with an early 2nd round pick in a trade??

Read on Twitter

He's currently ranked as the 37th pick of the 2nd round, and could be had fairly easily by acquiring an early 2nd from a trade of either Allen or O'neale.

Charlotte-
Allen/ CLE 27' 1st to Charlotte for G Williams/ 33rd and 34th picks in the 25 draft. ** Grant Williams can replace O'neale.

Brooklyn-
O'neale to Brooklyn for 25' 2nd (36th pick)/ ATL 26' 2nd.

Not giving up a 27 FRP for two current SRPs

Now if you can send Allen and the 2025 FRP - don't the Suns have one and get the two 2nd Round picks this year
that said - I am good with Grant Williams as he expires a year before Allen - well allen has an option

I get there are protections on picks but tired of sending out future FRPs and chasing them....

The CLE 27' 1st is actually the worst (least favorable of) Cleveland/ Minnesota/ Utah. So most likely Cleveland, and a pick in the late 20s' (probably) the 27-30 range, just like this one, honestly, man! So I'm really not sweating it because i can see us offload other assets around then for alternative picks. And the CLE 29' 1st is also the least favorable of Cleveland, Minnesota, and Utah. So, most likely Minnesota.
(Phoenix will receive the least / less favorable of these; if the Minnesota picks falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Minnesota will instead convey its 2029 2nd round pick to Utah (via Cleveland and Minnesota to Utah) [Minnesota-Utah, 7/6/2022; Cleveland-Utah, 9/3/2022; Phoenix-Utah, 1/21/2025]

Again, not at all a good pick outcome. I wouldn't at all send the 25 pick out UNLESS we got back a much higher 25' lottery pick back in a KD trade. This draft is fairly loaded with premium, very solid rotation-caliber talent. But it's important to understand that we'd be taking back G Williams (currently not positive value) from Charlotte for Allen, who has greater value. So, possibly the CLE late 1st might not be necessary. But I just added it as a sweetener to pull the additional high 2nd. Because that would allow us to actually address 3 key positions for defensive needs around Booker and whatever package we'd get back from the KD trade.

29- Hoping for Carter Bryant (PJ Washington) or else Clifford ( 6'6 Mikal Bridges) to fall, otherwise I'm taking Alex Condon. ( 6'11 Isaiah Hartenstein).
33- Rocco Zisarsky (7'3 Rudy Gobert) or Ryan Kalkbrenner. (7'1 poor man's Brook Lopez)
34- Adou Theiro. ( OG Anunoby 2.0)
53- John Tonje. (Devin Booker 2.0)
** G Williams would come off the books the same time as Beal, giving us upwards of $70 million for the loaded 27' free agency.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Gerald just said Durant would bring back the most value back from the Big 3

He is 100% wrong

Booker would!

Bourget is unfortunately a media schill for the Suns like Gambo and numerous other Suns media writers/ podcasters who capitulate to them for job security and to maintain access/ credentials.

[Slim Charless]

More Zion stuff that I just saw on The Ringer:

His assist rate bests that of Tyrese Haliburton, his steal rate mirrors Chris Paul’s, and he has the block rate of Jarrett Allen and the usage rate of Giannis Antetokounmpo—all career-high marks. He also averaged about a point per minute of action back when he was at his peak earlier in the year.

Those are wild stats.

[BobbieL]

For those people clamoring for OG Anunoby in a KD to Knicks trade, I get liking him, but honestly, why pay $40-45 million per year for Anunoby and have to worry about his injury issues too when we could just draft Adou Theiro with an early 2nd round pick in a trade??

Read on Twitter

He's currently ranked as the 37th pick of the 2nd round, and could be had fairly easily by acquiring an early 2nd from a trade of either Allen or O'neale.

Charlotte-
Allen/ CLE 27' 1st to Charlotte for G Williams/ 33rd and 34th picks in the 25 draft. ** Grant Williams can replace O'neale.

Brooklyn-
O'neale to Brooklyn for 25' 2nd (36th pick)/ ATL 26' 2nd.

Not giving up a 27 FRP for two current SRPs

Now if you can send Allen and the 2025 FRP - don't the Suns have one and get the two 2nd Round picks this year
that said - I am good with Grant Williams as he expires a year before Allen - well allen has an option

I get there are protections on picks but tired of sending out future FRPs and chasing them....

The CLE 27' 1st is actually the worst (least favorable of) Cleveland/ Minnesota/ Utah. So most likely Cleveland, and a pick in the late 20s' (probably) the 27-30 range, just like this one, honestly, man! So I'm really not sweating it because i can see us offload other assets around then for alternative picks. And the CLE 29' 1st is also the least favorable of Cleveland, Minnesota, and Utah. So, most likely Minnesota.
(Phoenix will receive the least / less favorable of these; if the Minnesota picks falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Minnesota will instead convey its 2029 2nd round pick to Utah (via Cleveland and Minnesota to Utah) [Minnesota-Utah, 7/6/2022; Cleveland-Utah, 9/3/2022; Phoenix-Utah, 1/21/2025]

Again, not at all a good pick outcome. I wouldn't at all send the 25 pick out UNLESS we got back a much higher 25' lottery pick back in a KD trade. This draft is fairly loaded with premium, very solid rotation-caliber talent. But it's important to understand that we'd be taking back G Williams (currently not positive value) from Charlotte for Allen, who has greater value. So, possibly the CLE late 1st might not be necessary. But I just added it as a sweetener to pull the additional high 2nd. Because that would allow us to actually address 3 key positions for defensive needs around Booker and whatever package we'd get back from the KD trade.

29- Hoping for Carter Bryant (PJ Washington) or else Clifford ( 6'6 Mikal Bridges) to fall, otherwise I'm taking Alex Condon. ( 6'11 Isaiah Hartenstein).
33- Rocco Zisarsky (7'3 Rudy Gobert) or Ryan Kalkbrenner. (7'1 poor man's Brook Lopez)
34- Adou Theiro. ( OG Anunoby 2.0)
53- John Tonje. (Devin Booker 2.0)
** G Williams would come off the books the same time as Beal, giving us upwards of $70 million for the loaded 27' free agency.

Okay, fair enough... I see your logic now
My mistake

I was watching the PHNX_SUNS with Gerald Stephen P and Erik Ruby and again Ruby mentions "trading Bradley Beal"

He must be taking the edibles he is promoting on the show as there is NOT a trade market for Bradley Beal unless the Suns use picks they don't have to dump a contract for more sh**ty contracts.

[thamadkant]

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”If you ask people in Phoenix, they would say I’m a great owner”

There’s no fcking way he just said that right? Was this altered by AI or something?

Is Sabestar the only contact that Ishbia has when it comes to “people in Phoenix” who aren’t directly employed by the team?

F#%^ Ishiba.

The nerve with this guy is insane.. he's the king of Real Estate Agents and Car Sales Men bull crap talk.

Always marketing himself through lies.

[sunsfan1o1]

Spoiler:

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”If you ask people in Phoenix, they would say I’m a great owner”

There’s no fcking way he just said that right? Was this altered by AI or something?

Is Sabestar the only contact that Ishbia has when it comes to “people in Phoenix” who aren’t directly employed by the team?

F#%^ Ishiba.

He’s right. Worst owner in professional sports history is wild.

The nerve with this guy is insane.. he's the king of Real Estate Agents and Car Sales Men bull crap talk.

Always marketing himself through lies.

[Revived]

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Seems like every offseason, Ishbia wants to say some dumbass s***t.

I wonder what he says next season year.

[BobbieL]

More Zion stuff that I just saw on The Ringer:

His assist rate bests that of Tyrese Haliburton, his steal rate mirrors Chris Paul’s, and he has the block rate of Jarrett Allen and the usage rate of Giannis Antetokounmpo—all career-high marks. He also averaged about a point per minute of action back when he was at his peak earlier in the year.

Those are wild stats.

I like the Houston trade better still but just have to play it out

Go Warriors!!

[lilfishi22]

Sure that's a fair perspective man. Although there are two important considerations here:

1st- Even at 26 or 27, Zion would just be entering his prime years, and could evolve in a multitude of ways that would sustain his value and trade interest. And depending upon the give up for him in buying low, and again, the basically nearly zero financial risk involved, the value gap still might end up being minimal at best!
2nd- The bulk of influence on our decision to trade KD for Zion or another package will be heavily predicated upon what level of value is offered by various teams. If the value from other teams is really solid, then I wouldn't lose sleep passing on Zion as a target, but if it ends up low ball and lousy, then eeff them all and give me Zion over a craptastic meediocre value outcome!

Given his injuries, his build and all of the medical concerns about his longevity, he very likely won't age like your average NBA player. I have no doubt he's already in his physical prime and I do think he'll have a pretty short prime as well given his play style, injury history and again, the longevity concerns most analysts already had before he even step foot on the NBA court. The fact that he's played under 50% of possible games in his short NBA career should tell you those pre-draft concerns are still very much valid and he's done very little to refute that.

For me, it's not the financial risk I'm concerned with because I knew there are non-guarantees in his contract. It's the opportunity costs you're giving up to muck around with Zion. Sure you could cut him after really giving him a go but then you're left with nothing.

Which follows onto your 2nd point about value. We value Zion differently and I just don't see even a 1 for 1 trade for KD good value. I don't know what teams would give up for for KD but I would presume most trades would be better than just one Zion. I just don't understand the point of Zion UNLESS it's to stay competitive and we continue to throw caution to the wind, which I hope we don't.

Maybe a 3 team deal with Rockets, Pelicans and Suns. I just hope we get some picks back for taking on Zion.

The good news is if Rockets trade for Durant Udoka might be available a year from now.

I mean.......

If (BIG IF) Zion works out, we get our picks back in order to tank....to get a guy as good as Zion could be? Actually his comps comign out were elite so probably less of a prospect than him.

More importantly, I just do not think Ish has the stomach to tank. We all can hope and wish for it and a complete tear down of moving Book, KD then letting Beal run the tank but reality seems to say Ish will not tank. More to the point, he wants superstars here. I'm starting to talk myself into this (big surprise, I know)

If we can somehow send KD to HOU and maybe they send our pick this year to NOP with some filler then send our other 2 picks back to us, along with NOP giving us Zion that would be a great outcome. We get some of picks back and roll the dice on a guy who can be a true #1 scorer and MVP level play.

I can get on board if we get picks in the transaction.

[sunskerr]

I think things are so bad I don't have much of an issue taking a chance on Zion. If we can trade a 37 year old KD for him it's a W. Although I'd much prefer to just nuke the whole team and get our picks back.

I'm guessing if KD has more value than Zion then there's a chance Zions body is done by the time he's 30. But that's the type of move we need to risk to get a super high upside young guy. They don't come around often.

Just blows that we still have the Beal contract. Gonna be hard to do anything to improve the team if we're building around Booker/Zion.

So I guess sign me up for 70 combined games of Zion and Beal. 30 for Zion? 40 for Beal? Sounds about right.

Oh and I still can't believe we gave away that 2031 pick and did nothing else at the deadline. That was crazy. Lol.

[BobbieL]

Given his injuries, his build and all of the medical concerns about his longevity, he very likely won't age like your average NBA player. I have no doubt he's already in his physical prime and I do think he'll have a pretty short prime as well given his play style, injury history and again, the longevity concerns most analysts already had before he even step foot on the NBA court. The fact that he's played under 50% of possible games in his short NBA career should tell you those pre-draft concerns are still very much valid and he's done very little to refute that.

For me, it's not the financial risk I'm concerned with because I knew there are non-guarantees in his contract. It's the opportunity costs you're giving up to muck around with Zion. Sure you could cut him after really giving him a go but then you're left with nothing.

Which follows onto your 2nd point about value. We value Zion differently and I just don't see even a 1 for 1 trade for KD good value. I don't know what teams would give up for for KD but I would presume most trades would be better than just one Zion. I just don't understand the point of Zion UNLESS it's to stay competitive and we continue to throw caution to the wind, which I hope we don't.

Maybe a 3 team deal with Rockets, Pelicans and Suns. I just hope we get some picks back for taking on Zion.

The good news is if Rockets trade for Durant Udoka might be available a year from now.

I mean.......

If (BIG IF) Zion works out, we get our picks back in order to tank....to get a guy as good as Zion could be? Actually his comps comign out were elite so probably less of a prospect than him.

More importantly, I just do not think Ish has the stomach to tank. We all can hope and wish for it and a complete tear down of moving Book, KD then letting Beal run the tank but reality seems to say Ish will not tank. More to the point, he wants superstars here. I'm starting to talk myself into this (big surprise, I know)

If we can somehow send KD to HOU and maybe they send our pick this year to NOP with some filler then send our other 2 picks back to us, along with NOP giving us Zion that would be a great outcome. We get some of picks back and roll the dice on a guy who can be a true #1 scorer and MVP level play.

I can get on board if we get picks in the transaction.

I just don't see the Suns getting Zion without giving up picks to the Pelicans - meaning the GOOD picks from the Rockets

[Sunsdeuce]

Gerald just said Durant would bring back the most value back from the Big 3

He is 100% wrong

Booker would!

That’s a fact. Booker is younger and has a good 7-10 years left. While KD has maybe 2-3 maybe 4 good years left. For that fact alone, Booker gets you the most value back.

[Sunsdeuce]

Spoiler:

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”If you ask people in Phoenix, they would say I’m a great owner”

There’s no fcking way he just said that right? Was this altered by AI or something?

Is Sabestar the only contact that Ishbia has when it comes to “people in Phoenix” who aren’t directly employed by the team?

The more and more Ishbia opens his mouth, the more and more less likable he is. Ishbia has shown who he is (turd) and I believe him.

[dremill24]

For those people clamoring for OG Anunoby in a KD to Knicks trade, I get liking him, but honestly, why pay $40-45 million per year for Anunoby and have to worry about his injury issues too when we could just draft Adou Theiro with an early 2nd round pick in a trade??

Read on Twitter

He's currently ranked as the 37th pick of the 2nd round, and could be had fairly easily by acquiring an early 2nd from a trade of either Allen or O'neale.
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I mean...do you really not know the answer to that question?

[bullsaficianado]

Gerald just said Durant would bring back the most value back from the Big 3

He is 100% wrong

Booker would!

KD is 37 years old. Booker is 28 years old. Of course he is wrong, Booker will bring back the most value.

One problem though if you trade Booker than Durant will most likely want out anyway.

Booker is our franchise player. He is staying.