2025 Playoffs: Round 1, Game 1: Heat @ Cavs - 7pm EST on 4/20

[Shewasfly]

Who are we talking about as the Wiggins stan?

Something with Canuck in it.

I'm clearly open to a discussion of what I saw was incorrect about Tyler's defense in this game. If he was good

But no one has said this, so what would we be discussing with you?

[Kobewade11]

Herro getting hunted on defense has been happening since day one. Not sure why everyone’s suddenly doing the surprised Pikachu face.

It’s on Spo to scheme around it, his offense is way too valuable to have him sitting. Same thing happened with Curry during the Warriors' run, they found ways to make it work.

And I am going to go out on a limb and say that this is not something I expect to be a repeat performance for Tyler when we have more rest. This was an anomaly imo.

I'm not saying Herro is a good defender. I'm not even saying he's an average one yet, although he absolutely MUST grow on that end. But he has not been as bad as he was tonight all year. I hope he takes it personally. Because that game film is going to be embarrassing af for him.

He's also expending a lot of energy on offense. That's something we've heard about other players on the team is that they expend so much on the defensive end it takes away from the offense, well same applies here. We could use another player on offense that has some wiggle with the ball in his hands. Such a player is on the roster but may be too far gone to be played now.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Need Wiggins to have a good series for us to win.

He is what he is.

If he gets the touches early, it gets his rhythm going. It's why early shot volume is important for him. Even if he misses, you need him with 15+ attempts

When he takes a back seat early, he'll just settle into the background and let others do their thing or he'll take an out of rhythm shot just because he feels he has too. He's more than content to just defend and not have any offense run through him.

That's the yin and yang of the wiggins experience

[Shewasfly]

Herro getting hunted on defense has been happening since day one. Not sure why everyone’s suddenly doing the surprised Pikachu face.

It’s on Spo to scheme around it, his offense is way too valuable to have him sitting. Same thing happened with Curry during the Warriors' run, they found ways to make it work.

And I am going to go out on a limb and say that this is not something I expect to be a repeat performance for Tyler when we have more rest. This was an anomaly imo.

I'm not saying Herro is a good defender. I'm not even saying he's an average one yet, although he absolutely MUST grow on that end. But he has not been as bad as he was tonight all year. I hope he takes it personally. Because that game film is going to be embarrassing af for him.

He's also expending a lot of energy on offense. That's something we've heard about other players on the team is that they expend so much on the defensive end it takes away from the offense, well same applies here. We could use another player on offense that has some wiggle with the ball in his hands. Such a player is on the roster but may be too far gone to be played now.

Which player on the roster do you mean?

[MettaWorldPanda]

I would start mitchell next game.

Put him on spider.
Put herro on garland
Put wiggins on strus. Let him and bam be the help.
I'd rather let the cavs iso herro and have your best defenders in help mode than have to put herro into any kind of movement to shift the defense.

Don't play highsmith at 4.
Ware or slomo when the cavs play 2 bigs.

This team has nothing at backup PG to start Mitchell. You essentially have to bump up Rozier. The team solidified itself when Mitchell became the backup. Robbing peter to pay paul. Better off just starting Larrson over Burks.

I'm good with Larson too, but wasnt sure if he could stand up to the physicality of spider.

Wiggins needs to be on Spider

[Rapaz]

I think we had a good game overall considering we just had to play two games on the road to even make it into this position. We still have the better coach on our side, too.

People in this thread really have no clue who Kenny Atkinson is? He’s literally a coach of the year finalist and has a shot to win it.

Gotta leave your bubbles if you think his coaching is some fluke.

[Slot Machine]

And I am going to go out on a limb and say that this is not something I expect to be a repeat performance for Tyler when we have more rest. This was an anomaly imo.

I'm not saying Herro is a good defender. I'm not even saying he's an average one yet, although he absolutely MUST grow on that end. But he has not been as bad as he was tonight all year. I hope he takes it personally. Because that game film is going to be embarrassing af for him.

He's also expending a lot of energy on offense. That's something we've heard about other players on the team is that they expend so much on the defensive end it takes away from the offense, well same applies here. We could use another player on offense that has some wiggle with the ball in his hands. Such a player is on the roster but may be too far gone to be played now.

Which player on the roster do you mean?

Rozier im guessing

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ty good sir, you know we go way back

Yes sir! The good ole days, glad to see you’re still going strong!

What was your username on PSD? I was SportsFanatic10.

I’ll PM you, if I tell you here it’ll give it away that I’m not just a Bam only Stan and tarnish my legacy.

I’ll give you a hint, I was HeatNations finest Wade supporter and bodied “more-than-most” daily on the nba forum

[Kobewade11]

And I am going to go out on a limb and say that this is not something I expect to be a repeat performance for Tyler when we have more rest. This was an anomaly imo.

I'm not saying Herro is a good defender. I'm not even saying he's an average one yet, although he absolutely MUST grow on that end. But he has not been as bad as he was tonight all year. I hope he takes it personally. Because that game film is going to be embarrassing af for him.

He's also expending a lot of energy on offense. That's something we've heard about other players on the team is that they expend so much on the defensive end it takes away from the offense, well same applies here. We could use another player on offense that has some wiggle with the ball in his hands. Such a player is on the roster but may be too far gone to be played now.

Which player on the roster do you mean?

Scary I know but what are our options

[Shewasfly]

He's also expending a lot of energy on offense. That's something we've heard about other players on the team is that they expend so much on the defensive end it takes away from the offense, well same applies here. We could use another player on offense that has some wiggle with the ball in his hands. Such a player is on the roster but may be too far gone to be played now.

Which player on the roster do you mean?

Rozier im guessing

I thought that's who, but wasn't sure. It's really a shame how terrible he turned out to be. Never was worth a first round pick, but him being as atrocious as he is really took a whole rotation player out of the mix for us.

[marson]

Which player on the roster do you mean?

Rozier im guessing

I thought that's who, but wasn't sure. It's really a shame how terrible he turned out to be. Never was worth a first round pick, but him being as atrocious as he is really took a whole rotation player out of the mix for us.

That's 25 mil that would've gone to two quality role players.

[Shewasfly]

He's also expending a lot of energy on offense. That's something we've heard about other players on the team is that they expend so much on the defensive end it takes away from the offense, well same applies here. We could use another player on offense that has some wiggle with the ball in his hands. Such a player is on the roster but may be too far gone to be played now.

Which player on the roster do you mean?

Scary I know but what are our options

He's too dumb of a player for me to ever agree lol. I could stand it if he just suddenly was terrible offensively and defensively. But to be as low iq of a player as he is plus his offensive struggles made me give up on him. We already have Duncan who Spo refuses to not play making at least 3 boneheaded, momentum killing plays every game. Can't add Rozier too.

My hope is we start Mitchell and give Larsson minutes.

Davion/Larsson (yes, I know he's not a PG, but what can we do?)
Tyler/Burks
Wiggins/Duncan
Bam/Highsmith
Ware/Bam

[DayofMourning]

Next game already in the bag. Bouncing back.

[Crazy-Canuck]

This team has nothing at backup PG to start Mitchell. You essentially have to bump up Rozier. The team solidified itself when Mitchell became the backup. Robbing peter to pay paul. Better off just starting Larrson over Burks.

I'm good with Larson too, but wasnt sure if he could stand up to the physicality of spider.

Wiggins needs to be on Spider

Wiggins is a much better help defender than an on ball defender.

Under M. Brown and when they won the chip, wiggins was used as the off ball defender. Poole and klay Thompson actually played more poa defense than Wiggins did. The entire premise of the brown defense was to make sure wiggs and dray cleaned up the defense. They were a top 5 defense under brown, and that's with 3 bad defenders in steph, klay, and poole.

Under Atkinson, wiggs was primarily poa. But the team defense suffered because now it was guys like klay, kuminga, and steph being the help. The tracking data was even better for wiggins defensively, but the team defense struggled. It's the role.

I see bam as the closest thing to draymond in this league. Not as smart and vocal, but alot more athletic.

Great offense will beat great on ball defense, it's why I don't put too much emphasis on it in the playoffs. Help/team defense is much more important. So, by putting wiggins on spider, you essentially put one of herro or burk as the primary roamer (switchy perimeter defender).

Mike brown is actually a genius at creating defensive schemes to hide players. He's the guy that came up with the tagging changed the 2022 playoffs. The problem is, u need very specific personnel to use it(he tried in sacramento), which the heat have.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I also would like to see more ware. He had a deer in headlights type of game which isn't surprising since he's a rookie.

But him being a rim protector and rebounder will allow bam to confidently roam more rather than having to do too much..

[marson]

I also would like to see more ware. He had a deer in headlights type of game which isn't surprising since he's a rookie.

But him being a rim protector and rebounder will allow bam to confidently roam more rather than having to do too much..

Have you watched the 1st half? He is getting switched on and can't guard the perimeter. It's his developing season, no need to rush him.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I'm good with Larson too, but wasnt sure if he could stand up to the physicality of spider.

He's arguably our most physical defender, actually. Assuming he's healthy, anyways.

And I didn't mean for anyone to attack the poster, I'm just a bit weary (as others are as well I'm sure) of player stans who come and go. Maybe you will be one of the ones who actually becomes a Heat fan, we'll see.

[Beenie]

Jimmy playing chess per usual tonight and Mia's dumb dumbs losing at tic tac toe

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I think we had a good game overall considering we just had to play two games on the road to even make it into this position. We still have the better coach on our side, too.

People in this thread really have no clue who Kenny Atkinson is? He’s literally a coach of the year finalist and has a shot to win it.

Gotta leave your bubbles if you think his coaching is some fluke.

lol

The irony of this is other teams' fans never know any of our players.

Oh, and for any lurkers out there....

People in this thread really have no clue who Rapaz is? He's literally troll of the year finalist and has a shot to win it.

Gotta leave your bubbles if you think his trolling is some fluke.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I also would like to see more ware. He had a deer in headlights type of game which isn't surprising since he's a rookie.

But him being a rim protector and rebounder will allow bam to confidently roam more rather than having to do too much..

Have you watched the 1st half? He is getting switched on and can't guard the perimeter. It's his developing season, no need to rush him.

I see that as more of a scheming issue which should be corrected before game 2. The heat should not be switching everything, they just don't have the personnel for it. Too much reactionary defense.