Return to Sender: The Mark Williams Thread

Rich4114 · Post #1701 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:37 pm

Don't we have a year before we have to pay him? Also, his $$$$ value right now is possibly the lowest it'll ever be if his injuries aren't going to be long term. Might not be a bad idea to lock him in now for something more cost conscious.

Chapelchilla · Post #1702 » by **Chapelchilla** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:47 pm

If he is gonna give us an injury risk/home team discount then sure sign him up. If not, I would explore trades.
I am not sure if he will regain his rookie year foot speed and shot blocking abilities.
Overall- The deal with the Lakers was fair to all and one they are probably regretting not doing now that they are getting exposed by the Twolves.

Rich4114 · Post #1703 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:07 pm

Just a reminder that 7ft centers with a soft touch and 99%tile reach who can reliably shoot free throws and finish around the rim don't grow on trees.

Reference: The entire Hornets/Bobcats existence post Alonzo Mourning

HornetJail · Post #1704 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:24 pm

Chapelchilla wrote:If he is gonna give us an injury risk/home team discount then sure sign him up. If not, I would explore trades.
I am not sure if he will regain his rookie year foot speed and shot blocking abilities.
Overall- The deal with the Lakers was fair to all and one they are probably regretting not doing now that they are getting exposed by the Twolves.

what do you consider a "discount" to be?

Even with the injury concerns, I'm going up to 4/80M or 5/100M with some games played triggered guarantees on years 4 and 5 and see if he bites. And before anyone balks at $20M/year... if Mark doesn't sign any extension, becomes a FA in 2026, the MLE would be 4 years $70M... $17.5M a year.

I think he's comfortably the second most impactful player on the team, and should only improve. He is way ahead of schedule for someone who's only played 106 career games and has had a critical offseason completely lost to injury.

JMAC3 · Post #1705 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:14 pm

HornetJail wrote:what do you consider a "discount" to be?

Vuc, Jarrett Allen, Poeltl all make around 20, I think Mark would come in lower than that even with cap going up.
Somewhere in the 14-17 million range would probably be a fair value, but due to injury concerns I might try to keep it shorter with a team option on the deal. Onyeka, Rob Williams, Wendell Carter, Mitchell Robinson types all make 14-20 million.

So my early offer would be 3/45 with 3rd year as team option. If he declines then okay I will reevaluate if he puts together a good year and stays healthy but locking up 30 million guaranteed for him considering his injury history seems pretty fair.

Post #1706 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:00 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Vuc, Jarrett Allen, Poeltl all make around 20, I think Mark would come in lower than that even with cap going up.
Somewhere in the 14-17 million range would probably be a fair value, but due to injury concerns I might try to keep it shorter with a team option on the deal. Onyeka, Rob Williams, Wendell Carter, Mitchell Robinson types all make 14-20 million.

So my early offer would be 3/45 with 3rd year as team option. If he declines then okay I will reevaluate if he puts together a good year and stays healthy but locking up 30 million guaranteed for him considering his injury history seems pretty fair.

This would be a great deal for the Hornets

Chapelchilla · Post #1707 » by **Chapelchilla** » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:28 pm

3/50 seems like a good offer. If they know he isn't really that hurt 3/60 is ok too.

Post #1708 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:58 pm

I doubt he signs for anything under $18 million per year.

JMAC3 · Post #1709 » by **JMAC3** » Fri May 9, 2025 3:58 pm

Once Mark debuted this year, he played in 44 of 62 games, or 70%. That would have been a 58 game season.

You can make the case that he could have played more and the team handled him with kid gloves most of the year.

If he can average 60-65 games over the next 4 years I can live with that, most guys are going to miss 10-15 games in todays NBA regardless.

Bassman · Post #1710 » by **Bassman** » Fri May 9, 2025 8:29 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Once Mark debuted this year, he played in 44 of 62 games, or 70%. That would have been a 58 game season.

You can make the case that he could have played more and the team handled him with kid gloves most of the year.

If he can average 60-65 games over the next 4 years I can live with that, most guys are going to miss 10-15 games in todays NBA regardless.

Absolutely. I am PRO Mark Williams…give him the opportunity to be a key part of the solution.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1711 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat May 10, 2025 1:07 am

Good news is that he hasn’t had any offseason “clean up surgery” or whatever it’s called. Fully healthy and can’t lift some damn weights for a few months.

SWedd523 · Post #1712 » by **SWedd523** » Sat May 10, 2025 1:28 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Good news is that he hasn’t had any offseason “clean up surgery” or whatever it’s called. Fully healthy and can’t lift some damn weights for a few months.

It's funny you think that

Off-season with Lee ain't gonna be nothing but kombucha and ayahuasca trips

Post #1713 » by **Diop** » Sat May 10, 2025 2:24 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Good news is that he hasn’t had any offseason “clean up surgery” or whatever it’s called. Fully healthy and can’t lift some damn weights for a few months.

in breaking news Mark Williams dropped a dumbbell onto his foot badly fracturing it.
He is expected to be in a moon boot for at least 6 months

Hornet Mania · Post #1714 » by **Hornet Mania** » Sat May 10, 2025 9:39 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Good news is that he hasn’t had any offseason “clean up surgery” or whatever it’s called. Fully healthy and can’t lift some damn weights for a few months.

It's funny you think that

Off-season with Lee ain't gonna be nothing but kombucha and ayahuasca trips

The surest path to manifesting abundance is sitting in the community circle and sharing your personal goals.

KembaWalker · Post #1715 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:19 am

https://youtu.be/SpdR0l2tLxg?si=_HJp2SNwPGK1Yip3

Cast/wrap mysteriously ends up on his hand near the end of the video. Mark can’t even survive watching NHL in the crowd :lol:

Post #1716 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:43 pm

KembaWalker wrote:https://youtu.be/SpdR0l2tLxg?si=_HJp2SNwPGK1Yip3

Cast/wrap mysteriously ends up on his hand near the end of the video. Mark can’t even survive watching NHL in the crowd

wtf? he just somehow ended up adding a thumb splint to his hand in the middle of a hockey game?

HornetJail · Post #1717 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:12 pm

hopefully he just cut his hand on the glass or something lol

Bassman · Post #1718 » by **Bassman** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:22 pm

fatlever wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:https://youtu.be/SpdR0l2tLxg?si=_HJp2SNwPGK1Yip3

Cast/wrap mysteriously ends up on his hand near the end of the video. Mark can’t even survive watching NHL in the crowd

wtf? he just somehow ended up adding a thumb splint to his hand in the middle of a hockey game?

Hope he didn’t tear a ligament while banging on the plexiglass. Geez Mark, all this talk of your value and possible trades, and you didn’t go out with your bubble wrap on :banghead:

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Post #1719 » by **JDR720** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:36 pm

Did he try to catch a puck?

Mark's injuries get found out in the weirdest ways too. The foot thing was discovered when someone randomly saw him walk out of a hospital in a boot or something and now this?

Post #1720 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:46 pm

Where does one even go in the middle of a hockey game to get a splint added to your thumb? Did he go to the hockey arena infirmary during intermission? Does the arena have a minute clinic? Or was this a preexisting thumb injury that he had before he arrived. And maybe halfway through the game he pulled a splint out of his pocket and put it on his thumb because he forgot to wear it. so random.