Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Skybox]

Trae Young a possibility in the summer?

Skybox, what would a potential trade look like? Thanks, buddy

NO...Paolo s**t's bigger'n him

[MasterGMer]

Trae Young a possibility in the summer?

Skybox, what would a potential trade look like? Thanks, buddy

NO...Paolo s**t's bigger'n him

I know everyone is crying for a PG. Trae led the league in assist. Plus he is a darn good 3pt shooter.

His weakness is his size and defense.

I float it out there because it seems like an odd situation for him in Atlanta while the front office is trying to rebuild and go young.

Maybe he is on the trading block

[Skybox]

Portis is building up his value as soon as I say the Magic should target him. He does play backup center for the Bucks. He is a better player than Wendell, but I'm not he could be a full-time center.

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In hindsight, me offering Isaac for him is a joke. Maybe Isaac and a 1st.

[basketballRob]

Portis is building up his value as soon as I say the Magic should target him. He does play backup center for the Bucks. He is a better player than Wendell, but I'm not he could be a full-time center.

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In hindsight, me offering Isaac for him is a joke. Maybe Isaac and a 1st.

They may not want to tie up money long-term on Isaac. Goga plus a player and both our 2nd round picks. Portis might opt in and give him a 2 - or 3-year extension.

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[Knightro]

I would be willing to trade for Trae assuming the cost wouldn't be high at all, but I can understand why people WOULDN'T be willing to do that.

[basketballRob]

We could always offer Portis a 4-yr deal with our mle. Then package Goga, plus players for CJ Mccollum as a 1 year rental.

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[mattdelray1220]

I would be willing to trade for Trae assuming the cost wouldn't be high at all, but I can understand why people WOULDN'T be willing to do that.

It would have to be AB KCP JI + 1st

Are we willing to give up on AB and the depth with KCP and JI?

I am on the fence about this one. Plus if they did this they lose all flexibility going forward. But it is what it is they would essentially have

Trae Cole
Suggs Caleb Harris
Franz Tristan
Paolo Moe
WCJ Goga
+ Draft picks

Would have to sign a veteran PF like a Paul Reed or Jae Crowder

[basketballRob]

I would be willing to trade for Trae assuming the cost wouldn't be high at all, but I can understand why people WOULDN'T be willing to do that.

It would have to be AB KCP JI + 1st

Are we willing to give up on AB and the depth with KCP and JI?

I am on the fence about this one. Plus if they did this they lose all flexibility going forward. But it is what it is they would essentially have

Trae Cole
Suggs Caleb Harris
Franz Tristan
Paolo Moe
WCJ Goga
+ Draft picks

Would have to sign a veteran PF like a Paul Reed or Jae Crowder

I wouldn't. Trae is always going to be on mediocre teams. That's just who he is. He doesn't play defense. He reminds me of Vuc. Trae is better than Vuc offensively but even worse defensively.

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[mattdelray1220]

I would be willing to trade for Trae assuming the cost wouldn't be high at all, but I can understand why people WOULDN'T be willing to do that.

It would have to be AB KCP JI + 1st

Are we willing to give up on AB and the depth with KCP and JI?

I am on the fence about this one. Plus if they did this they lose all flexibility going forward. But it is what it is they would essentially have

Trae Cole
Suggs Caleb Harris
Franz Tristan
Paolo Moe
WCJ Goga
+ Draft picks

Would have to sign a veteran PF like a Paul Reed or Jae Crowder

I wouldn't. Trae is always going to be on mediocre teams. That's just who he is. He doesn't play defense. He reminds me of Vuc. Trae is better than Vuc offensively but even worse defensively.

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I highly doubt the Magic make this kind of move. I have a feeling they are VERY HIGH on AB. High enough to make him the starter sooner than later. If that is the case I am not sure how they really find room for a shooter.

[basketballRob]

It would have to be AB KCP JI + 1st

Are we willing to give up on AB and the depth with KCP and JI?

I am on the fence about this one. Plus if they did this they lose all flexibility going forward. But it is what it is they would essentially have

Trae Cole
Suggs Caleb Harris
Franz Tristan
Paolo Moe
WCJ Goga
+ Draft picks

Would have to sign a veteran PF like a Paul Reed or Jae Crowder

I wouldn't. Trae is always going to be on mediocre teams. That's just who he is. He doesn't play defense. He reminds me of Vuc. Trae is better than Vuc offensively but even worse defensively.

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I highly doubt the Magic make this kind of move. I have a feeling they are VERY HIGH on AB. High enough to make him the starter sooner than later. If that is the case I am not sure how they really find room for a shooter.

We also aren't going to have 3 max players.

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[basketballRob]

Portis with 25 and 12 in 27 minutes.

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[KillMonger]

Some will say coby white but, what about ayo dosunmu? Seems affordable...... Free agent

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[zaymon]

Some will say coby white but, what about ayo dosunmu? Seems affordable...... Free agent

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He would be upgrade but not a whole lot. We are going nowhere if he starts.

[Skybox]

Yeah to above...not sure Ayo is enough of a PG and pretty sure Trae is too much of a PG.

Whether we like AB or not...1. he's a flea in context to the decision of whether or not to invest in Trae and, 2) They already have a much better version of AB in Dyson Daniels...it's not like they'd make for a good backcourt pairing...too much like our present KCP/Suggs/AB defense-first combo, imo.

I could certainly be wrong about Ayo...I seem to remember him being kind of a nice surprise as a rookie, has had some nice 3pt shooting years and good assist/turnover ratio. Good size, I believe solid defender. I can't say I've really watched him to see what degree of PG he is...but interesting and maybe gettable.

I guess my concern is that he's more of the same...not really a PG, but has 4 assists per game, more of a PG than AB and KCP, but not enough like, say Payton Pritchard. After seeing how CoJo contributed, it's making me wonder whether a combo guard is enough.

If ORL traded for Trae, I'd be psyched and supportive for the (hopefully) offensive explosion...but I don't think that's the way. I want to marginalize Paolo's iso play somewhat, but not that much. If there was a new GM and new coach, that could be the kind of re-working of the whole team concept - but I don't think that's the way we go. It would also be nearly impossible to get Trae without one of our big 3...unless it's all of our picks forever

[pepe1991]

Ayo is more similar to Black than he is to actual NBA PG.

Pretty much all contenders have elite ball handler(s) who are at worst fringe all star level players. And no, Banchero and Franz aren't "playmakers".

[drsd]

I know everyone is crying for a PG. Trae led the league in assist. Plus he is a darn good 3pt shooter.

Orlando cannot afford three max players. The new CBA won't allow that. Even trading Suggs for Young is unaffordable.

[Skybox]

If Portis feels like MIL is a dead end, he could theoretically opt out and sign with us for MLE, assuming ORL is his big target (maybe his kids love Disney, he clicks with Mose, etc). It could be a Grant Hill situation, where we politely threaten MIL - "Look, he's coming either way...do you want to do a SnT and get a player you can use back?" Then - maybe you can pull off Isaac and a srp for Portis (and still have your MLE to work with on a different FA like Ty Jerome). Or, maybe you trade Isaac to CHI for Ayo and then MLE Portis. Theoretically, these options don't involve any of our frps.

I know it's a lot, but...I don't think any are individually unrealistic

1) Goga to CHI for Ayo Dosunmu (CHI betting on Lonzo & frp behind Coby and Giddey and looks ahead to moving off Vuc while he's still got some game)

2) WCJ to DAL for Daniel Gafford (DAL sees WCJ as a more versatile fit next to Lively, who's a younger, bigger Gafford, and Anthony Davis)

3) Isaac and srp to MIL for opt out & re-upped Bobby Portis (MIL chooses to add potentially upgraded defensive player rather than lose Portis for zip)

4) KCP to CLE for re-upped Ty Jerome (say, $18 per?) (same situation as Portis, sign in ORL for MLE or SnT, so he can get paid, KCP is a strong add)

5) Maybe BRK welcomes home Cole Anthony & Jett (largely into cap space) for a one year tryout...Cole and Jett for a top 55 protected srp? I actually like Cole enough that I'd rather move him to a better opportunity than bury him as a towel-waver.

ORL drafts Thomas Sorber at #16 (unless Murray-Boyles drops) and Walter Clayton at #25, BPA prospects with srps (I like Raynaud, Proctor)

ORL declines Team Options on Gary Harris, CoJo
ORL retains Caleb Houstan and Trev Queen (for very little) or, after much consideration, signs AJ Griffin to vet min salvage experiment

Gafford, Portis, Sorber, (Moe)
Paolo, Portis, Sorber
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Griffin
Jerome, Dosunmu, Clayton

*Much more balanced backcourt, but still exceptional defensively. Better-fitting, hopefully reliable bigs to work with Paolo & Franz. Better bench offense and defensive potential, even more solid when Moe returns. Unreliable bigs and ill-advised KCP signing undone. Salaries are balanced and we even save some cap space (assuming Jerome < KCP and Portis around Isaac's $15m, although Ayo and Gafford will be expirings to be dealt with going into next summer. Concerns are whether Ayo adds enough offense to pair with AB in backcourt vs more of a scorer/sniper.

[Skybox]

If Portis feels like MIL is a dead end, he could theoretically opt out and sign with us for MLE, assuming ORL is his big target (maybe his kids love Disney, he clicks with Mose, etc). It could be a Grant Hill situation, where we politely threaten MIL - "Look, he's coming either way...do you want to do a SnT and get a player you can use back?" Then - maybe you can pull off Isaac and a srp for Portis (and still have your MLE to work with on a different FA like Ty Jerome). Or, maybe you trade Isaac to CHI for Ayo and then MLE Portis. Theoretically, these options don't involve any of our frps.

I know it's a lot, but...I don't think any are individually unrealistic

1) Goga to CHI for Ayo Dosunmu (CHI betting on Lonzo & frp behind Coby and Giddey and looks ahead to moving off Vuc while he's still got some game)

2) WCJ to DAL for Daniel Gafford (DAL sees WCJ as a more versatile fit next to Lively, who's a younger, bigger Gafford, and Anthony Davis)

3) Isaac and srp to MIL for opt out & re-upped Bobby Portis (MIL chooses to add potentially upgraded defensive player rather than lose Portis for zip)

4) KCP to CLE for re-upped Ty Jerome (say, $18 per?) (same situation as Portis, sign in ORL for MLE or SnT, so he can get paid, KCP is a strong add)

5) Maybe BRK welcomes home Cole Anthony & Jett (largely into cap space) for a one year tryout...Cole and Jett for a top 55 protected srp?

ORL drafts Thomas Sorber at #16 (unless Murray-Boyles drops) and Walter Clayton at #25, BPA prospects with srps (I like Raynaud, Proctor)

ORL declines Team Options on Gary Harris, CoJo
ORL retains Caleb Houstan and Trev Queen (for very little) or, after much consideration, signs AJ Griffin to vet min salvage experiment

Gafford, Portis, Sorber, (Moe)
Paolo, Portis, Sorber
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Griffin
Jerome, Dosunmu, Clayton

*Much more balanced backcourt, but still exceptional defensively. Better-fitting, hopefully reliable bigs to work with Paolo & Franz. Better bench offense and defensive potential, even more solid when Moe returns. Unreliable bigs and ill-advised KCP signing undone. Salaries are balanced and we even save some cap space (assuming Jerome < KCP and Portis around Isaac's $15m, although Ayo and Gafford will be expirings to be dealt with going into next summer. Concerns are whether Ayo adds enough offense to pair with AB in backcourt vs more of a scorer/sniper.

I guess we can close this thread now...all problems solved

[KillMonger]

AJ Griffin retired

[Skybox]

AJ Griffin retired

I know..."salvage" for a vet min. He had mental health issues, not his knee. Maybe he's better back with his old running mate, Paolo.

The guy was a Top 10 prospect for much of the season and fell to ATL at 16...big, solid body. Knockdown 3pt shooter. Actually showed more playmaking when given the minutes.

I have no idea of his current health status, but that's a low risk/huge upside bargain swing if he's feeling it. Currently 21yo.

Just an add on...to a stacked roster with no pressure to deliver.

I'd trade recent #11 Jett for him right now - without an exam.