KD to the Knicks part 2?

[Spree2Houston]

we're clearly not good enough. they're gonna have to make a change besides just the coach. so could be.

Yeah if we don’t make it to the ecf (we aren’t), I can see the Knicks trading for KD.

we really f*cked up with the trades we made this summer because giannis is clearly gone this summer. I'll never understand why we were so patient waiting for the big star to then turn around and empty the war chest for mikal/kat. the kat trade was obviously made out of desperation because they didn't have a healthy center. and when you're desperate you make bad decisions. but what was the desperation for mikal about ? to reunite jalen with his friend ? the f*ck are we doing

Getting Mikal here was probably Jalen’s requirement into getting him to take a discounted contract. I don’t agree with it but it’s probably why we overpaid for Mikal. But I don’t think he knew about the KAT trade. That felt like a Leon move.

[god shammgod]

Yeah if we don’t make it to the ecf (we aren’t), I can see the Knicks trading for KD.

we really f*cked up with the trades we made this summer because giannis is clearly gone this summer. I'll never understand why we were so patient waiting for the big star to then turn around and empty the war chest for mikal/kat. the kat trade was obviously made out of desperation because they didn't have a healthy center. and when you're desperate you make bad decisions. but what was the desperation for mikal about ? to reunite jalen with his friend ? the f*ck are we doing

Getting Mikal here was probably Jalen’s requirement into getting him to take a discounted contract. I don’t think agree with it but it’s probably why we overpaid for Mikal. But I don’t think he knew about the KAT trade. That felt like a Leon move.

i understand that it helped keep us under the 2nd apron which gave us some flexibility. but what did we do with it that made it worth it ?

[Spree2Houston]

we really f*cked up with the trades we made this summer because giannis is clearly gone this summer. I'll never understand why we were so patient waiting for the big star to then turn around and empty the war chest for mikal/kat. the kat trade was obviously made out of desperation because they didn't have a healthy center. and when you're desperate you make bad decisions. but what was the desperation for mikal about ? to reunite jalen with his friend ? the f*ck are we doing

Getting Mikal here was probably Jalen’s requirement into getting him to take a discounted contract. I don’t think agree with it but it’s probably why we overpaid for Mikal. But I don’t think he knew about the KAT trade. That felt like a Leon move.

i understand that it helped keep us under the 2nd apron which gave us some flexibility. but what did we do with it that made it worth it ?

No it was definitely not worth it lol awful deal..but Jalen calls the shots. We would’ve been better off overpaying Brunson and keeping the picks. KAT wouldn’t be here either then. Double win win

[3toheadmelo]

we're clearly not good enough. they're gonna have to make a change besides just the coach. so could be.

Yeah if we don’t make it to the ecf (we aren’t), I can see the Knicks trading for KD.

we really f*cked up with the trades we made this summer because giannis is clearly gone this summer. I'll never understand why we were so patient waiting for the big star to then turn around and empty the war chest for mikal/kat. the kat trade was obviously made out of desperation because they didn't have a healthy center. and when you're desperate you make bad decisions. but what was the desperation for mikal about ? to reunite jalen with his friend ? the f*ck are we doing

If you told me 2 years ago that the big fish that the Knicks will get are KAT and Mikal I would tell you go fk urself. passing up Donovan Mitchell, missing out on Giannis for two mid players is classic Knicks.

The KAT trade is looking even worse now since Randle is balling in the playoffs. The mikal trade will definitely be up there in one of the worst trades of all time.

[3toheadmelo]

Yeah if we don’t make it to the ecf (we aren’t), I can see the Knicks trading for KD.

we really f*cked up with the trades we made this summer because giannis is clearly gone this summer. I'll never understand why we were so patient waiting for the big star to then turn around and empty the war chest for mikal/kat. the kat trade was obviously made out of desperation because they didn't have a healthy center. and when you're desperate you make bad decisions. but what was the desperation for mikal about ? to reunite jalen with his friend ? the f*ck are we doing

Getting Mikal here was probably Jalen’s requirement into getting him to take a discounted contract. I don’t think agree with it but it’s probably why we overpaid for Mikal. But I don’t think he knew about the KAT trade. That felt like a Leon move.

If you wanna get messy, just read this. The KAT trade wasn’t even a Leon move. It was that Timberwolves guy Rosas that pushed this deal to happen. The moment we hired him, KAT has been our #1 target over waiting for a superstar like Giannis. We were doomed the moment we hired him.

Per Marc stein

The Knicks going all-in for Towns, before newly acquired Mikal Bridges could even play a game alongside his fellow Villanova alumni Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart and the suddenly discarded DiVincenzo, is the latest example of the strong influence former Timberwolves executive Gersson Rosas has in New York's front office. In February 2022, you'll recall, we broke the story here of the Knicks' hiring of Rosas as a consultant in the wake of his incredibly messy exit as Minnesota's lead decision-maker ... which also, like this trade, took place right before training camp began. Rosas was elevated to senior vice president of basketball operations before last season and, according to league sources, is Towns' foremost fan in the Knicks' organization. Yes: Even ahead of Towns' former agent Leon Rose. Rosas is said to have been pushing for a Towns trade even before this summer's free agent departure of Isaiah Hartenstein and Mitchell Robinson's subsequent slow recovery from an ankle injury heightened the Knicks' need for immediate help at center.

[Reign23]

the KAT trade does not look bad at all. stop this nonsense. you do this trade every day of the week and twice on sundays.

[3toheadmelo]

Getting Mikal here was probably Jalen’s requirement into getting him to take a discounted contract. I don’t think agree with it but it’s probably why we overpaid for Mikal. But I don’t think he knew about the KAT trade. That felt like a Leon move.

i understand that it helped keep us under the 2nd apron which gave us some flexibility. but what did we do with it that made it worth it ?

No it was definitely not worth it lol awful deal..but Jalen calls the shots. We would’ve been better off overpaying Brunson and keeping the picks. KAT wouldn’t be here either then. Double win win

Yeah that discount didn’t do sht should’ve just gave Brunson $200 mill or whatever he wanted at that point

[HopelessKnick]

Pairing KAT and Durant upfront is bond to fail miserably. You add in Brunson and that **** has zero chance of success. Reeks of desperation. I personally don't dismiss the idea of Durant but it would only make sense in a context where you play Durant at the 4 next to a defensive Center.

If the idea is to trade OG in any Durant trade then I will stop watching the Knicks altogether.

[3toheadmelo]

Pairing KAT and Durant upfront is bond to fail miserably. You add in Brunson and that **** has zero chance of success. Reeks of desperation. I personally don't dismiss the idea of Durant but it would only make sense in a context where you play Durant at the 4 next to a defensive Center.

If the idea is to trade OG in any Durant trade then I will stop watching the Knicks altogether.

Yeah you have to trade KAT for KD.

[god shammgod]

Pairing KAT and Durant upfront is bond to fail miserably. You add in Brunson and that **** has zero chance of success. Reeks of desperation. I personally don't dismiss the idea of Durant but it would only make sense in a context where you play Durant at the 4 next to a defensive Center.

If the idea is to trade OG in any Durant trade then I will stop watching the Knicks altogether.

yeah, you can't trade OG. he's the only starter who plays defense consistently.

[St Knick]

the KAT trade does not look bad at all. stop this nonsense. you do this trade every day of the week and twice on sundays.

agreed.

and lets play a hypothetical....
* Giannis asks out of the Bucks
* Giannis has Knicks as one of his teams he uses leverage to go to.

Now, what do we have to trade?
* All the negative nancies correctly state we gave up our "warchest" of draft picks...
* However, they act as it both Towns and Mikal don't have value themselves as is!
* Didn't we just see Luka get traded for (primarily) Anthony Davis?
* Isn't it possible we could put together an offer of (some combo of)
----- Towns (direct "replacement" to Giannis, both in terms of position and contracts)
----- Mikal
----- Mitch
----- Deuce
------ Kolek/Hukporti/other rooks
------ any other draft capital that frees up this offseason?

Potentialy leaving us with: Giannis/Brunson/Hart/OG/any pieces not dealt from above... then hope Leon can scrap together the rest? Yes, we'd be thin at first, but you don't get Giannis for nothing.

You can also make this 3-way trade (or multiple trades), get picks for some of the above players, and flip those back into a Giannis deal? I'm sure TOwns/Mikal/others could be traded for a collection of 1st rounders around the league. Everyone acts as if it Towns/Mikal don't still have very good value. Draft picks arent the ONLY assets in trades.

Everyone just assumes Giannis would be dealt for just picks. I'm not saying its going to happen or even liekly, but the Knicks aren't as boxed in as many are pegging them to be. Towns just had a literal All-NBA year (prob 3rd team?) and despite his defensive flaws, is still a very valuable trade chip. We can afford to reship out Bridges if need be (many don't like him to begin with!), or (gasp) maybe OG is the piece here (I'd prefer to keep OG, his defensive eliteness is a key ingredient to playoff succes).

Don't sleep on a KAT-for-Giannis type deal, especially should (when?) the Knicks disappoint this playoffs. I predict they beat Detroit in 6, then lose to Celts in 5 or 6 next round.

Have faith in Leon, despite the relative disappointment of the Mikal deal, this isn't a sunk cost; we will have ability to flip valuable "win now" players ina deal, and as we saw, not every team is looking to do a total rebuild when their superstar demands out (see Dallas).

[St Knick]

PS: Don't pursue Durant. Unless its Mikal/Deuce/one draft pick type of deal. Even then, he's both an injury risk and a culture risk... and f k u c him for shade in the past!

[St Knick]

Random: Is Bam Adebayo gettable? Down year for him and Miami. Doubt it, but he'd be a nice fit next to Towns (defensive presence).

[ctorres]

KD likely hits the same three that Mikal missed last night with 15 seconds to go.

[RHODEY]

Random: Is Bam Adebayo gettable? Down year for him and Miami. Doubt it, but he'd be a nice fit next to Towns (defensive presence).

With the salary cap and CBA restrictions we would have a hard time getting Richaun Homes let alone Bam.

[RHODEY]

PS: Don't pursue Durant. Unless its Mikal/Deuce/one draft pick type of deal. Even then, he's both an injury risk and a culture risk... and f k u c him for shade in the past!

You'd still need more salary to make it work..... The dream scenario would be Durant gettng bought out and us signing him for scraps. I know that's a pipe dream....

[knicksstuff]

We are going to see a KD for KAT trade imo if we flame out in the first round. Booker and KAT have been wanting to play with each other for a while now. They'll go hard after Kessler again after that to go with a more traditional 5.