OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[Ghetto Gospel]

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I'm trying to buy in...

if you told me this would have happened before the draft started i would have been fine with it. the concern was the compensation that we'd have to give up to get back into the 1st but what we gave up was more than reasonable.

i just didn't expect shedeur to be here who in my opinion is a much better QB and that's what i'm getting hung up on

All that is fair. Can't blame you. I know people that like Sanders better and can't blame them. I know people that like Milroe better and can't blame them.

However I kinda think Dart was going earlier (lot of rumors at some point to the Saints I didn't think we were able to get back in the 1st far enough. I also don't love that Kiffen schemed him so much in that offense (but that also isn't a knock on Dart that is more the unknown when he doesn't have that safety net can he do it).

But you can see why Daboll likes him. He lead CFB in completions behond 15 yards. Led class in completion rate on 5-20 yards. Led the draft class is scramble yards per drop back. And he was great in play action and McShay said he graded as the best college QB in this class vs pressure. All those are interesting things to bank on.

He has good mobility (obviously not even close to Milroe's level) but he is also a far better mobility than Sanders and even more than Cam Ward. I think Daboll values that and its a nice skill set to have in todays NFL to have that scramble ability.

He certainly has some things to clean up...but we basically can **** him a year and he's on 21 years old with a lot of college starts under his belt.

I'm not a good enough evaluator of the QB position to really know. But at this point the reason you hired daboll was his ability to develop and work with QB's...I think you have to get him the one he likes best, no?

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

[MrDollarBills]

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I'm trying to buy in...

Seems like he is gonna need a full year or two to be developed. At least now we can focus on strengthening the lines and adding another skill player

[MrDollarBills]

if you told me this would have happened before the draft started i would have been fine with it. the concern was the compensation that we'd have to give up to get back into the 1st but what we gave up was more than reasonable.

i just didn't expect shedeur to be here who in my opinion is a much better QB and that's what i'm getting hung up on

All that is fair. Can't blame you. I know people that like Sanders better and can't blame them. I know people that like Milroe better and can't blame them.

However I kinda think Dart was going earlier (lot of rumors at some point to the Saints I didn't think we were able to get back in the 1st far enough. I also don't love that Kiffen schemed him so much in that offense (but that also isn't a knock on Dart that is more the unknown when he doesn't have that safety net can he do it).

But you can see why Daboll likes him. He lead CFB in completions behond 15 yards. Led class in completion rate on 5-20 yards. Led the draft class is scramble yards per drop back. And he was great in play action and McShay said he graded as the best college QB in this class vs pressure. All those are interesting things to bank on.

He has good mobility (obviously not even close to Milroe's level) but he is also a far better mobility than Sanders and even more than Cam Ward. I think Daboll values that and its a nice skill set to have in todays NFL to have that scramble ability.

He certainly has some things to clean up...but we basically can **** him a year and he's on 21 years old with a lot of college starts under his belt.

I'm not a good enough evaluator of the QB position to really know. But at this point the reason you hired daboll was his ability to develop and work with QB's...I think you have to get him the one he likes best, no?

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

He absolutely better be good, but I can see this is not a one year thing. Let him sit and learn the system while the staff works on areas that can be easily correct able.

He's a Giant now so I am rooting for him to learn and improve

[Kampuchea]

if you told me this would have happened before the draft started i would have been fine with it. the concern was the compensation that we'd have to give up to get back into the 1st but what we gave up was more than reasonable.

i just didn't expect shedeur to be here who in my opinion is a much better QB and that's what i'm getting hung up on

All that is fair. Can't blame you. I know people that like Sanders better and can't blame them. I know people that like Milroe better and can't blame them.

However I kinda think Dart was going earlier (lot of rumors at some point to the Saints I didn't think we were able to get back in the 1st far enough. I also don't love that Kiffen schemed him so much in that offense (but that also isn't a knock on Dart that is more the unknown when he doesn't have that safety net can he do it).

But you can see why Daboll likes him. He lead CFB in completions behond 15 yards. Led class in completion rate on 5-20 yards. Led the draft class is scramble yards per drop back. And he was great in play action and McShay said he graded as the best college QB in this class vs pressure. All those are interesting things to bank on.

He has good mobility (obviously not even close to Milroe's level) but he is also a far better mobility than Sanders and even more than Cam Ward. I think Daboll values that and its a nice skill set to have in todays NFL to have that scramble ability.

He certainly has some things to clean up...but we basically can **** him a year and he's on 21 years old with a lot of college starts under his belt.

I'm not a good enough evaluator of the QB position to really know. But at this point the reason you hired daboll was his ability to develop and work with QB's...I think you have to get him the one he likes best, no?

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

“Better be good” is for top of draft like Carter, not so much for late first.

[Ghetto Gospel]

All that is fair. Can't blame you. I know people that like Sanders better and can't blame them. I know people that like Milroe better and can't blame them.

However I kinda think Dart was going earlier (lot of rumors at some point to the Saints I didn't think we were able to get back in the 1st far enough. I also don't love that Kiffen schemed him so much in that offense (but that also isn't a knock on Dart that is more the unknown when he doesn't have that safety net can he do it).

But you can see why Daboll likes him. He lead CFB in completions behond 15 yards. Led class in completion rate on 5-20 yards. Led the draft class is scramble yards per drop back. And he was great in play action and McShay said he graded as the best college QB in this class vs pressure. All those are interesting things to bank on.

He has good mobility (obviously not even close to Milroe's level) but he is also a far better mobility than Sanders and even more than Cam Ward. I think Daboll values that and its a nice skill set to have in todays NFL to have that scramble ability.

He certainly has some things to clean up...but we basically can **** him a year and he's on 21 years old with a lot of college starts under his belt.

I'm not a good enough evaluator of the QB position to really know. But at this point the reason you hired daboll was his ability to develop and work with QB's...I think you have to get him the one he likes best, no?

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

He absolutely better be good, but I can see this is not a one year thing. Let him sit and learn the system while the staff works on areas that can be easily correct able.

He's a Giant now so I am rooting for him to learn and improve

yeah and of course the concern is if we're bad this year, i can pretty easily see daboll and schoen getting fired.

in that case it could pretty easily be a wasted pick if he sits for a full year and the new regime doesnt like him and decide to pick a new QB in the first round next year. rooting for his success though

[TerrenceClarke]

There is alot of Cope here talking about Daboll.

This is the same dude that doubled down on DJ only for him to be cut in two years. What magic did he work with DJ???

Yall talking about the QB Daboll wanted as if he is guaranteed to be here next year. If thats the logic it was a selfish pick then.

It should have been BPA. SS was BPA fuccck any other bs. Giants did all that dancing only to turn around and not pick the dude.

[mpharris36]

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This was brought up in the video and personally, I think this is why they went Dart over Sanders:

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Shedur couldn't routinely escape Big 12 rushers and Dart was able to move against SEC rushers. Dart also has better arm talent.

Daboll is taking a big gamble on Dart's processing and deep ball accuracy, but Shedur is a good, not elite, processor who also executed a simplified offense, so maybe they saw that as a push.

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and we know Daboll likes to run a lot of playaction. It certainly is a gamble and projection on specific traits that Daboll likes in a QB.

[MrDollarBills]

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

He absolutely better be good, but I can see this is not a one year thing. Let him sit and learn the system while the staff works on areas that can be easily correct able.

He's a Giant now so I am rooting for him to learn and improve

yeah and of course the concern is if we're bad this year, i can pretty easily see daboll and schoen getting fired.

in that case it could pretty easily be a wasted pick if he sits for a full year and the new regime doesnt like him and decide to pick a new QB in the first round next year. rooting for his success though

If they get fired after burning 34 and 99 to get Dart when we are desperate for starter grade talent then Mara needs to sell this team.

Seriously. I see no reason to fire them now.

[mpharris36]

if you told me this would have happened before the draft started i would have been fine with it. the concern was the compensation that we'd have to give up to get back into the 1st but what we gave up was more than reasonable.

i just didn't expect shedeur to be here who in my opinion is a much better QB and that's what i'm getting hung up on

All that is fair. Can't blame you. I know people that like Sanders better and can't blame them. I know people that like Milroe better and can't blame them.

However I kinda think Dart was going earlier (lot of rumors at some point to the Saints I didn't think we were able to get back in the 1st far enough. I also don't love that Kiffen schemed him so much in that offense (but that also isn't a knock on Dart that is more the unknown when he doesn't have that safety net can he do it).

But you can see why Daboll likes him. He lead CFB in completions behond 15 yards. Led class in completion rate on 5-20 yards. Led the draft class is scramble yards per drop back. And he was great in play action and McShay said he graded as the best college QB in this class vs pressure. All those are interesting things to bank on.

He has good mobility (obviously not even close to Milroe's level) but he is also a far better mobility than Sanders and even more than Cam Ward. I think Daboll values that and its a nice skill set to have in todays NFL to have that scramble ability.

He certainly has some things to clean up...but we basically can **** him a year and he's on 21 years old with a lot of college starts under his belt.

I'm not a good enough evaluator of the QB position to really know. But at this point the reason you hired daboll was his ability to develop and work with QB's...I think you have to get him the one he likes best, no?

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

Thats what we can all hope for.

If he's not and the team isn't good we probably have a new GM/HC making the decisions as soon as next year possibly.

[MrDollarBills]

All that is fair. Can't blame you. I know people that like Sanders better and can't blame them. I know people that like Milroe better and can't blame them.

However I kinda think Dart was going earlier (lot of rumors at some point to the Saints I didn't think we were able to get back in the 1st far enough. I also don't love that Kiffen schemed him so much in that offense (but that also isn't a knock on Dart that is more the unknown when he doesn't have that safety net can he do it).

But you can see why Daboll likes him. He lead CFB in completions behond 15 yards. Led class in completion rate on 5-20 yards. Led the draft class is scramble yards per drop back. And he was great in play action and McShay said he graded as the best college QB in this class vs pressure. All those are interesting things to bank on.

He has good mobility (obviously not even close to Milroe's level) but he is also a far better mobility than Sanders and even more than Cam Ward. I think Daboll values that and its a nice skill set to have in todays NFL to have that scramble ability.

He certainly has some things to clean up...but we basically can **** him a year and he's on 21 years old with a lot of college starts under his belt.

I'm not a good enough evaluator of the QB position to really know. But at this point the reason you hired daboll was his ability to develop and work with QB's...I think you have to get him the one he likes best, no?

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

“Better be good” is for top of draft like Carter, not so much for late first.

I feel like if you're trading into the first to grab someone, they absolutely better pan out. Because we could have grabbed another starter on OL/DL. We also need a WR2.

[MrDollarBills]

There is alot of Cope here talking about Daboll.

This is the same dude that doubled down on DJ only for him to be cut in two years. What magic did he work with DJ???

Yall talking about the QB Daboll wanted as if he is guaranteed to be here next year. If thats the logic it was a selfish pick then.

It should have been BPA. SS was BPA fuccck any other bs. Giants did all that dancing only to turn around and not pick the dude.

I totally understand why you're upset but everyone literally passed on him which says to me the league scouts didn't have a 1st rd grade for him. That's alarming to me and there were rumblings for weeks that he did himself no favors in face to face interviews. I guess the Giants wanted one last look at him...there's no guarantees here.

I am not sold on Dart so I would have preferred not to trade up and another starter at 34. But I can't ignore how teams who actually need a QB also passed on him.

[GONYK]

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

“Better be good” is for top of draft like Carter, not so much for late first.

I feel like if you're trading into the first to grab someone, they absolutely better pan out. Because we could have grabbed another starter on OL/DL. We also need a WR2.

I think we jumped into the 1st to get the 5th year on Dart. He's the youngest QB in the draft.

[GONYK]

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This was brought up in the video and personally, I think this is why they went Dart over Sanders:

Read on Twitter

Shedur couldn't routinely escape Big 12 rushers and Dart was able to move against SEC rushers. Dart also has better arm talent.

Daboll is taking a big gamble on Dart's processing and deep ball accuracy, but Shedur is a good, not elite, processor who also executed a simplified offense, so maybe they saw that as a push.

Read on Twitter

and we know Daboll likes to run a lot of playaction. It certainly is a gamble and projection on specific traits that Daboll likes in a QB.

The traits Dart has are the same exact traits DJ had though. We couldn't make it work because of DJ's processing, which led to him being timid.

Dart is a lot of things, but timid isn't one of them.

Still, I don't think you can teach processing and anticipation. But Daboll is making the bet and its his call.

[TerrenceClarke]

There is alot of Cope here talking about Daboll.

This is the same dude that doubled down on DJ only for him to be cut in two years. What magic did he work with DJ???

Yall talking about the QB Daboll wanted as if he is guaranteed to be here next year. If thats the logic it was a selfish pick then.

It should have been BPA. SS was BPA fuccck any other bs. Giants did all that dancing only to turn around and not pick the dude.

I totally understand why you're upset but everyone literally passed on him which says to me the league scouts didn't have a 1st rd grade for him. That's alarming to me and there were rumblings for weeks that he did himself no favors in face to face interviews. I guess the Giants wanted one last look at him...there's no guarantees here.

I am not sold on Dart so I would have preferred not to trade up and another starter at 34. But I can't ignore how teams who actually need a QB also passed on him.

Nobody had first round grade on Jalen Hurt based on where he was picked so what does that really mean. And plenty of scouts had a first round grade on him, it was not some unanimous choice.

Also pick 25 and pick 34. Whats the difference? nothing in terms of who they could pick this year.

This is the same NFL that allowed Lamar Jackson to slip. If it was not for a Black GM in Baltimore we could be talking about him as a second round pick.

Its all BS.

You do realize that alot of those reports can be a smear campaign right? I would not assume just because its a report that its accurate.

The Giants did the same schit with Flores. EXTREME INTEREST only to walk away at the end. I look at patterns here.

what did SS do to the Giants ? Nothing. They KEPT Scouting him KEPT talking to him. so I dont want to hear about face to face interviews with them when they had like 50 of them already.

People can argue SS at 3. But passing on him at 25 is just BS. There is no way around it to me. Fuccck the Giants. Like even fans of other teams are saying the Giants are on some BS. Twitter is flooded with this sentiment by NFL fans in general not just Giants fans.

Makes all the sense in the world that a New York Team was the LAST team to starta Black QB.

The fucccking Jets done drafted black QBs. Done Hired Black Coaches and here we are with Giants never doing it in they history.

[MrDollarBills]

There is alot of Cope here talking about Daboll.

This is the same dude that doubled down on DJ only for him to be cut in two years. What magic did he work with DJ???

Yall talking about the QB Daboll wanted as if he is guaranteed to be here next year. If thats the logic it was a selfish pick then.

It should have been BPA. SS was BPA fuccck any other bs. Giants did all that dancing only to turn around and not pick the dude.

I totally understand why you're upset but everyone literally passed on him which says to me the league scouts didn't have a 1st rd grade for him. That's alarming to me and there were rumblings for weeks that he did himself no favors in face to face interviews. I guess the Giants wanted one last look at him...there's no guarantees here.

I am not sold on Dart so I would have preferred not to trade up and another starter at 34. But I can't ignore how teams who actually need a QB also passed on him.

Nobody had first round grade on Jalen Hurt based on where he was picked so what does that really mean. And plenty of scouts had a first round grade on him, it was not some unanimous choice.

Also pick 25 and pick 34. Whats the difference? nothing in terms of who they could pick this year.

This is the same NFL that allowed Lamar Jackson to slip. If it was not for a Black GM in Baltimore we could be talking about him as a second round pick.

Its all BS.

You do realize that alot of those reports can be a smear campaign right? I would not assume just because its a report that its accurate.

The Giants did the same schit with Flores. EXTREME INTEREST only to walk away at the end. I look at patterns here.

what did SS do to the Giants ? Nothing. They KEPT Scouting him KEPT talking to him. so I dont want to hear about face to face interviews with them when they had like 50 of them already.

People can argue SS at 3. But passing on him at 25 is just BS. There is no way around it to me. Fuccck the Giants. Like even fans of other teams are saying the Giants are on some BS. Twitter is flooded with this sentiment by NFL fans in general not just Giants fans.

Makes all the sense in the world that a New York Team was the LAST team to starta Black QB.

The fucccking Jets done drafted black QBs. Done Hired Black Coaches and here we are with Giants never doing it in they history.

Literally all 32 teams passed on the kid. I'm not sure why ppl think that the Giants are supposed to guarantee a draft slot for any player because they did their due diligence on him. Did you think that he was going to get drafted by us because of that last interview/workout? That's really naive if so.

Not everything is a conspiracy and the notion that this is racial when the team tried for two straight years two trade up to draft Black QBs doesn't add up. Daboll and Schoen are incompetent but that doesn't equate to racism. You think they would have passed on Daniels or Ward if WAS and TEN agreed to trading down? I don't.

I don't even wanna defend these guys but there was never a guarantee that Sanders was gonna be a Giant. You may wanna ask why other teams who needed QBs also passed. That's what stands out to me the most. No one else wanted him either. Why?

Regarding Twitter, meh. The Giants were under no obligation to draft anyone. People fall in the draft every year so I'm not sure what makes Shedeur any different.

[Ghetto Gospel]

All that is fair. Can't blame you. I know people that like Sanders better and can't blame them. I know people that like Milroe better and can't blame them.

However I kinda think Dart was going earlier (lot of rumors at some point to the Saints I didn't think we were able to get back in the 1st far enough. I also don't love that Kiffen schemed him so much in that offense (but that also isn't a knock on Dart that is more the unknown when he doesn't have that safety net can he do it).

But you can see why Daboll likes him. He lead CFB in completions behond 15 yards. Led class in completion rate on 5-20 yards. Led the draft class is scramble yards per drop back. And he was great in play action and McShay said he graded as the best college QB in this class vs pressure. All those are interesting things to bank on.

He has good mobility (obviously not even close to Milroe's level) but he is also a far better mobility than Sanders and even more than Cam Ward. I think Daboll values that and its a nice skill set to have in todays NFL to have that scramble ability.

He certainly has some things to clean up...but we basically can **** him a year and he's on 21 years old with a lot of college starts under his belt.

I'm not a good enough evaluator of the QB position to really know. But at this point the reason you hired daboll was his ability to develop and work with QB's...I think you have to get him the one he likes best, no?

i agree with you that we should draft the guy that daboll wants, i get it, i'm just disappointed. he better be good is all i'm saying

“Better be good” is for top of draft like Carter, not so much for late first.

how many chances do you give these 2? they paid daniel jones, wasn't good and if jaxson dart isn't good, you giving them another chance?

if shedeur is good and jaxson dart is trash, i'm crashing out

[MrDollarBills]

“Better be good” is for top of draft like Carter, not so much for late first.

I feel like if you're trading into the first to grab someone, they absolutely better pan out. Because we could have grabbed another starter on OL/DL. We also need a WR2.

I think we jumped into the 1st to get the 5th year on Dart. He's the youngest QB in the draft.

Makes sense.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would be surprised if Daboll is still here next year so we really shouldn't draft based on what he may prefer

[Luv those Knicks]

There is alot of Cope here talking about Daboll.

This is the same dude that doubled down on DJ only for him to be cut in two years. What magic did he work with DJ???

Yall talking about the QB Daboll wanted as if he is guaranteed to be here next year. If thats the logic it was a selfish pick then.

It should have been BPA. SS was BPA fuccck any other bs. Giants did all that dancing only to turn around and not pick the dude.

I totally understand why you're upset but everyone literally passed on him which says to me the league scouts didn't have a 1st rd grade for him. That's alarming to me and there were rumblings for weeks that he did himself no favors in face to face interviews. I guess the Giants wanted one last look at him...there's no guarantees here.

I am not sold on Dart so I would have preferred not to trade up and another starter at 34. But I can't ignore how teams who actually need a QB also passed on him.

Nobody had first round grade on Jalen Hurt based on where he was picked so what does that really mean. And plenty of scouts had a first round grade on him, it was not some unanimous choice.

Also pick 25 and pick 34. Whats the difference? nothing in terms of who they could pick this year.

This is the same NFL that allowed Lamar Jackson to slip. If it was not for a Black GM in Baltimore we could be talking about him as a second round pick.

Its all BS.

You do realize that alot of those reports can be a smear campaign right? I would not assume just because its a report that its accurate.

The Giants did the same schit with Flores. EXTREME INTEREST only to walk away at the end. I look at patterns here.

what did SS do to the Giants ? Nothing. They KEPT Scouting him KEPT talking to him. so I dont want to hear about face to face interviews with them when they had like 50 of them already.

People can argue SS at 3. But passing on him at 25 is just BS. There is no way around it to me. Fuccck the Giants. Like even fans of other teams are saying the Giants are on some BS. Twitter is flooded with this sentiment by NFL fans in general not just Giants fans.

Makes all the sense in the world that a New York Team was the LAST team to starta Black QB.

The fucccking Jets done drafted black QBs. Done Hired Black Coaches and here we are with Giants never doing it in they history.

I'm just going to ask, how many teams that need a QB passed on Sanders? 8? 10? That's not just on the Giants.

That said, It'll be interesting to see if Sanders proves everyone wrong. What's the over/under on Cleveland taking him with the first pick in round 2 Or pick 36 if there's a guy they really want at 32.

[GONYK]

I would be surprised if Daboll is still here next year so we really shouldn't draft based on what he may prefer

You can say that about all of the decision makers. If they are here, they have to make decisions. Who else is supposed to make them?