2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[twix2500]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

Missing the floaters doesn't really bother me, it's how they're guarding him off ball Spo has to be able to counter. The entire defense last game was based around Herro ball denial.

There is not one player Herro can beat off the dribble on the Cavs. That is a huge problem. The only thing Spo can do is run a scheme to match him up and puts him in a spot against a player he can score against. Evans, Mobley, Strus, Merrill and Jerome all players Herro struggled against out on the perimeter one on one. He litterally cant dribble pass them, doesnt see the court well, dribbling into bad spots.

[marson]

Mavs are in win now mode and Christie is more of a backup two guard. They were running out PJ Washington at the starting SF spot. Getting Wiggins and Klay back together could be intriguing. Naji Marshall is a solid player but would continue is his backup SF role behind Wiggins.

They have Exum too round up their wings. They will probably throw their assets for KD first. Last thing they want to add is an underperforming player and I'm afraid Wiggs is stuck here for a while. I hope we somehow can trade him though.

Klay is still very close with him and could put in a good word. I'm just saying out of all those names you are throwing out none of them really helped the Mavs at the wing spot other then Marshall coming off the bench. Exum was in a ball handling role as more of a PG. PJ Washington was forced to play out of position at the wing spot. Wiggins presents a better fit for them and though he has struggled with us he does have a good history when put in the right spot. Trying to find that connection he had with Klay in Golden State to put along side Davis with the eventual return of Irving could be of interest to Dallas.

I will worship Riley's statue if he is able to unload an underperfoming player. Playoff games is what catches the eyes of every GM. I hope you are right.

[Kobewade11]

There is not one player Herro can beat off the dribble on the Cavs. That is a huge problem. The only thing Spo can do is run a scheme to match him up and puts him in a spot against a player he can score against. Evans, Mobley, Strus, Merrill and Jerome all players Herro struggled against out on the perimeter one on one. He litterally cant dribble pass them, doesnt see the court well, dribbling into bad spots.

What did we do so well in game 2 and why did we go away from it?

[twix2500]

There is not one player Herro can beat off the dribble on the Cavs. That is a huge problem. The only thing Spo can do is run a scheme to match him up and puts him in a spot against a player he can score against. Evans, Mobley, Strus, Merrill and Jerome all players Herro struggled against out on the perimeter one on one. He litterally cant dribble pass them, doesnt see the court well, dribbling into bad spots.

What did we do so well in game 2 and why did we go away from it?

Didnt really do well. The defense played better in the end. Cavs broke their discipline when Jovic came into the game, and during that time Cavs bets player was sitting on the bench. The Heat tried more of the scheme that got them that late run, that brought out Allen and Mobley up to the top away from the rim. But as you see in the Herro clip, Mobley and Allen shut down Herro when they were forced to go out and defend Herro beyond the three point line. If your best ball handling scorer struggling on the perimeter vs Allen, Wade and Mobley (the BIGS) what can you do?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m not saying don’t expect anything from Bam, he’s the best big in the series and it would be evident if he was playing next to the playmaking Mobley/Allen have to where they basically dont have to create any offense thenselves (it would help Herro a ton too). Herro and Wiggins are the ones that are supposed to have the most favorable matchups is what I’m getting at and they’re getting clamped by Strus and Merrill and dogged on the defensive end to go along with it. Herros not even the biggest disappointment, we’ve known he’s not a playoff player, Wiggins is the one of most disappointed in. I was just pointing out that I wish Herros game would’ve translated to the playoffs and how they may have effected his value in a trade and didn’t even mention Bam lol. Mobleys scored more efficiently (off mostly open assisted baskets) Bam rebounded, made plays, and defended better.

Correct.

79% of Mobley's FGM this series are assisted. 94% of Jarrett Allen's FGM this series are assisted. 50% of Bam's FGM this series are assisted.

40% of Donovan Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted. 31% of Darius Garland's FGM this series are assisted. 52% of Herro's FGM this series are assisted. 45% of Davion Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted.

Donovan Mitchell's assist percentage is at 23% this series after being at 28% this season.
Darius Garland's assist percentage is at 47% this series after being at 35% this season.
Herro's assist percentage is at 17% this series after being at 28% this season.
Davion Mitchell's assist percentage is at 40% this series after being at 31% this season.

Functional offense where perimeter players can generate offense for themselves and their bigs vs the disjointed offense that Miami has been trying to find all season.

This is not a new issue.

Dang, If only he made some of those corner threes in Game 2. The FGM assisted would've bumped up a lil bit.

The grenades he was tossed with a couple seconds left on the clock? Yea that would’ve been nice

[marson]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

No driving lanes. Look how Mobley and Allen are basically camping the paint.

Could've passed it to Ware though. Was wide open.

[Kobewade11]

There is not one player Herro can beat off the dribble on the Cavs. That is a huge problem. The only thing Spo can do is run a scheme to match him up and puts him in a spot against a player he can score against. Evans, Mobley, Strus, Merrill and Jerome all players Herro struggled against out on the perimeter one on one. He litterally cant dribble pass them, doesnt see the court well, dribbling into bad spots.

What did we do so well in game 2 and why did we go away from it?

Didnt really do well. The defense played better in the end. Cavs broke their discipline when Jovic came into the game, and during that time Cavs bets player was sitting on the bench. The Heat tried more of the scheme that got them that late run, that brought out Allen and Mobley up to the top away from the rim. But as you see in the Herro clip, Mobley and Allen shut down Herro when they were forced to go out and defend Herro beyond the three point line. If your best ball handling scorer struggling on the perimeter vs Allen, Wade and Mobley (the BIGS) what can you do?

I guess what I’m getting at is; is putting Herro in iso situations at the top of the perimeter against longer defenders the best use of his talents?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Correct.

79% of Mobley's FGM this series are assisted. 94% of Jarrett Allen's FGM this series are assisted. 50% of Bam's FGM this series are assisted.

40% of Donovan Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted. 31% of Darius Garland's FGM this series are assisted. 52% of Herro's FGM this series are assisted. 45% of Davion Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted.

Donovan Mitchell's assist percentage is at 23% this series after being at 28% this season.
Darius Garland's assist percentage is at 47% this series after being at 35% this season.
Herro's assist percentage is at 17% this series after being at 28% this season.
Davion Mitchell's assist percentage is at 40% this series after being at 31% this season.

Functional offense where perimeter players can generate offense for themselves and their bigs vs the disjointed offense that Miami has been trying to find all season.

This is not a new issue.

Dang, If only he made some of those corner threes in Game 2. The FGM assisted would've bumped up a lil bit.

That would be nice (if he made 2 more 3s, it would have bumped his assisted % of FGM to 54%). Bam's shooting 35% from 3 for the series (level with his regular season), so it shouldn't be expected. If any team makes 100% of their open 3s, they're probably winning the series.

What really stood out to me and shows an even bigger lack of legit playmaking is the 70% of his 2 pointers are unassisted. Pretty much if we want any offense from Bam that isn’t a 3 we just have to throw him the ball and make him go to work over their bigs and the defense that is also collapsing on him when he gets touches inside the arc. That’s not consistent effective offense for 98% of the league

[insfo]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

What surprises me the most is the level of complete disrespect they are showing Bam as a scorer. They are treating him like he is Anthony Carter or Kidd without the passing. This season, the second Jimmy was traded, heck even before that should have been focus on making Bam more of a scorer. Our coaching staff and its philosophy failed us big time this year. Then to add insult to injury they double down when we trade for Wiggins and try to make him a first option pushing Bam further down the scoring ladder. At least this abomination of a season is almost over for us.

When I started reading this, I thought you were referring to the disrespect that the Cavs are showing Bam

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[twix2500]

What did we do so well in game 2 and why did we go away from it?

Didnt really do well. The defense played better in the end. Cavs broke their discipline when Jovic came into the game, and during that time Cavs bets player was sitting on the bench. The Heat tried more of the scheme that got them that late run, that brought out Allen and Mobley up to the top away from the rim. But as you see in the Herro clip, Mobley and Allen shut down Herro when they were forced to go out and defend Herro beyond the three point line. If your best ball handling scorer struggling on the perimeter vs Allen, Wade and Mobley (the BIGS) what can you do?

I guess what I’m getting at is; is putting Herro in iso situations at the top of the perimeter against longer defenders the best use of his talents?

I mean if you are a guard, you should be licking your chops if a 7 footer comes out on the perimeter to defend you. Max Strus is defending Herro fullcourt and Herro is struggling to get by him. What is the matchup that Herro can dominate? You see Cavs goes right at Herro on defense with almost all their players. Is there anyone Herro can beat on the Cavs? He is your best ball handler scorer/playmaker.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

What surprises me the most is the level of complete disrespect they are showing Bam as a scorer. They are treating him like he is Anthony Carter or Kidd without the passing. This season, the second Jimmy was traded, heck even before that should have been focus on making Bam more of a scorer. Our coaching staff and its philosophy failed us big time this year. Then to add insult to injury they double down when we trade for Wiggins and try to make him a first option pushing Bam further down the scoring ladder. At least this abomination of a season is almost over for us.

It’s been a major disappointment seeing the shiny new toys pushed ahead of Bam scoring wise on this team despite being much worse players (Terry last year and Wiggins this year) but Spos gonna Spo. He’s won a ton and has the resume to back him but we have neutered Bam reaching his max potential on both ends because of nonsense like this. I will say again; a lot of this falls on having no high level playmaker which is why I was telling people yesterday to just see the quality of shots those elite playmakers were getting for their guys compared to what we see watching Heat games.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Houston going all in for GA might gift wrap us Durant on the cheap

[Kobewade11]

Didnt really do well. The defense played better in the end. Cavs broke their discipline when Jovic came into the game, and during that time Cavs bets player was sitting on the bench. The Heat tried more of the scheme that got them that late run, that brought out Allen and Mobley up to the top away from the rim. But as you see in the Herro clip, Mobley and Allen shut down Herro when they were forced to go out and defend Herro beyond the three point line. If your best ball handling scorer struggling on the perimeter vs Allen, Wade and Mobley (the BIGS) what can you do?

I guess what I’m getting at is; is putting Herro in iso situations at the top of the perimeter against longer defenders the best use of his talents?

I mean if you are a guard, you should be licking your chops if a 7 footer comes out on the perimeter to defend you. Max Strus is defending Herro fullcourt and Herro is struggling to get by him. What is the matchup that Herro can dominate? You see Cavs goes right at Herro on defense with almost all their players. Is there anyone Herro can beat on the Cavs? He is your best ball handler scorer/playmaker.

Again, this is kind of skating around the question. If you’re a ball handling guard you are probably licking your chops at a big in space. I dont consider Herro to be an elite ball handler.

[marson]

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Houston going all in for GA might gift wrap us Durant on the cheap

Just say the magic word Giannis.

"South bisssshhh"

[twix2500]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

What surprises me the most is the level of complete disrespect they are showing Bam as a scorer. They are treating him like he is Anthony Carter or Kidd without the passing. This season, the second Jimmy was traded, heck even before that should have been focus on making Bam more of a scorer. Our coaching staff and its philosophy failed us big time this year. Then to add insult to injury they double down when we trade for Wiggins and try to make him a first option pushing Bam further down the scoring ladder. At least this abomination of a season is almost over for us.

When I started reading this, I thought you were referring to the disrespect that the Cavs are showing Bam

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I already discussed Bam earlier and didnt mention Herro. Now I am analyzing Herro. This is not about who playing better, Wiggins, Bam or Herro. They all are struggle, the entire team as a whole is struggling.

[greg4012]

I guess what I’m getting at is; is putting Herro in iso situations at the top of the perimeter against longer defenders the best use of his talents?

I mean if you are a guard, you should be licking your chops if a 7 footer comes out on the perimeter to defend you. Max Strus is defending Herro fullcourt and Herro is struggling to get by him. What is the matchup that Herro can dominate? You see Cavs goes right at Herro on defense with almost all their players. Is there anyone Herro can beat on the Cavs? He is your best ball handler scorer/playmaker.

Again, this is kind of skating around the question. If you’re a ball handling guard you are probably licking your chops at a big in space. I dont consider Herro to be an elite ball handler.

Everyone is really on the same point, but is just discussing it differently--Herro is at his best when he can be a secondary playmaker with a lot more off-ball action. He's not an offensive engine. The problem is Miami doesn't have a first option. It's the same issue with Bam. He's at his best doing the big man work that is typically called for from a BIG while functioning as a playmaking hub and play finisher, but again, Miami doesn't have a first option. So everyone is relied on to do more than what they can/should do (and thus has less opportunity to do what they do best). Offense lacks a foundation. You can't build without a foundation.

If Miami had a #1 on offense, then suddenly Herro's offball work can be maximized and both Herro and Bam's secondary playmaking and creation will be seen as found money rather than something that the team desperately needs on every possession.

Davion Mitchell checks some role-player PG boxes, but you cannot run a quality NBA offense with him as the high usage guy.

[greg4012]

What surprises me the most is the level of complete disrespect they are showing Bam as a scorer. They are treating him like he is Anthony Carter or Kidd without the passing. This season, the second Jimmy was traded, heck even before that should have been focus on making Bam more of a scorer. Our coaching staff and its philosophy failed us big time this year. Then to add insult to injury they double down when we trade for Wiggins and try to make him a first option pushing Bam further down the scoring ladder. At least this abomination of a season is almost over for us.

When I started reading this, I thought you were referring to the disrespect that the Cavs are showing Bam

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I already discussed Bam earlier and didnt mention Herro. Now I am analyzing Herro. This is not about who playing better, Wiggins, Bam or Herro. They all are struggle, the entire team as a whole is struggling.

This is it. No one should be surprised--or act like its some revelation--to see the 21st ranked offense that was the 10th seed in the Eastern Conference struggle against the #1 seed (8th ranked defense). What we're seeing is 100% consistent with what we've seen all season.

It doesn't mean that there aren't avenues for improvement or development, but it just means that such is not coming in the playoffs off the back of a regular season full of drama and instability.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Needs seem pretty clear, a true 1st option, a legit playmaker, and then fill in whatever holes open to acquire those 2 things with veteran 3 and D players on minimum contracts. We have the chance for a major bounce back season, 37-45 but several losses within 3 points and a league leading 20+ losses after leading by double digits. Shore up the clutch and sustainability for leads and we become a much more promising team

[Hallstar]

Didnt really do well. The defense played better in the end. Cavs broke their discipline when Jovic came into the game, and during that time Cavs bets player was sitting on the bench. The Heat tried more of the scheme that got them that late run, that brought out Allen and Mobley up to the top away from the rim. But as you see in the Herro clip, Mobley and Allen shut down Herro when they were forced to go out and defend Herro beyond the three point line. If your best ball handling scorer struggling on the perimeter vs Allen, Wade and Mobley (the BIGS) what can you do?

I guess what I’m getting at is; is putting Herro in iso situations at the top of the perimeter against longer defenders the best use of his talents?

I mean if you are a guard, you should be licking your chops if a 7 footer comes out on the perimeter to defend you. Max Strus is defending Herro fullcourt and Herro is struggling to get by him. What is the matchup that Herro can dominate? You see Cavs goes right at Herro on defense with almost all their players. Is there anyone Herro can beat on the Cavs? He is your best ball handler scorer/playmaker.

There are several plays in the vid where he beat people off the dribble and ran into a wall at the rim. He didn't score 50 by accident the 1st 2 games. It's the ball denial that is causing us the problems since no one else can score reliably

[Shewasfly]

Didnt really do well. The defense played better in the end. Cavs broke their discipline when Jovic came into the game, and during that time Cavs bets player was sitting on the bench. The Heat tried more of the scheme that got them that late run, that brought out Allen and Mobley up to the top away from the rim. But as you see in the Herro clip, Mobley and Allen shut down Herro when they were forced to go out and defend Herro beyond the three point line. If your best ball handling scorer struggling on the perimeter vs Allen, Wade and Mobley (the BIGS) what can you do?

I guess what I’m getting at is; is putting Herro in iso situations at the top of the perimeter against longer defenders the best use of his talents?

I mean if you are a guard, you should be licking your chops if a 7 footer comes out on the perimeter to defend you. Max Strus is defending Herro fullcourt and Herro is struggling to get by him. What is the matchup that Herro can dominate? You see Cavs goes right at Herro on defense with almost all their players. Is there anyone Herro can beat on the Cavs? He is your best ball handler scorer/playmaker.

Idk twix. Are you sure you're not just ignoring what's right in front of you, just for the sake of criticizing everyone equally? The video shows in the first play that Herro gets by and is met with the entire Cavs team at every point of the paint. A picture perfect box and 1.

Tyler was bad last game, but it wasn't a result of him not being able to get past anybody. They are focusing their entire defense around denying him the ball (which for some reason we played into), and when he has it, creating a wall. That is giving ample space to the others on the team. But Bam and Wiggins can do nothing to make them pay for it. That was our problem on offense.