2025 Playoffs: Round 1, Game 4: Cleveland @ Miami - 7:30pm EST on 4/28

[Shewasfly]

We can finally make shots now that we're down 50. I guess all the pressure is off

Bam and Wiggins finally attacking their matchups. It'd be infuriating if this game was basically over as soon as it started.

[RRR3]

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Lebron just choked. The way Drake is getting clowned after the Kendrick beef was how Lebron was getting clowned after the Dallas final loss. I don't think he would sabotage Wade just to be a laughing stock for a full year. That loss was the lowest part of his career and probably one of the lowest in his life. People forget how hated he was, how much pressure he was under and how much the whole NBA fandom celebrated him & Miami getting embarrassed.

I don't know about that. In terms of overall legacy, it was better for him to 1) not have his first ring come with him not being the best player on the team and 2) give his contemporary/competition (friend or not) additional hardware. Think about it. If they never won another championship as a big 3, Wade has 2 championships and 2 FMVPs. Even if they won the next, Wade has 4 championships and 2 FMVPs, an a much better argument against LeBron.

At that point I don't think there is anyway their careers move forward without Lebron having a better career than Wade. Lebron was obviously built for longevity and Wade wasn't. Larry Bird wasn't Finals MVP when he won his first ring and Curry wasn't Finals MVP during one of the Warriors championships. I don't think anyone is saying that has hurt either of their legacies.

Yeah I guess it's possible LeBron threw it but if so he's a complete dumbass. He easily could have just frozen Wade out and shotjacked like Kobe did to Shaq in 2004 if he was that concerned with winning FMVP.

[DayofMourning]

We can finally make shots now that we're down 50. I guess all the pressure is off

Its def mental. Thats why we smoke all that weed. Anxiety. Also why we are a step slow every possession.

[Bishop45]

Let Jaime play and stink it up, let the kids play.

Never embarrassed to watch the team in the offs

[RRR3]

Bam is an absolute Heat icon, where's the respect? This is a **** lottery team versus the 1 seed, don't put that on him.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Loved Wade in 2006. After that I don't know what happened. He had a big 09 I believe? After 2006 I actually thought "Damn that closes to MJ-esque" Basketball I've seen. 2006 I really thought Wade was gonna be the 2nd coming of MJ.

He had his meniscus in his left knee removed in college. That's what stopped him from being the goat.

I'm pretty convinced no one will ever be able to surpass MJ as GOAT in the eyes of the public due to the narrative around him. I'm not saying LeBron did surpass MJ btw, just the crazy standards I see MJ fans hold anyone who threatens him to....yeesh. Besides if LBJ doesn't come here, Wade probably has what like 1 ring? Maybe 2? You can be GOAT with 1-2 rings but no one will admit it, look at Wilt.

I'm assuming KD is talking if Wade doesn't have his meniscus removed. In which case, Riley isn't waiting around for the 2010 offseason, he's reloading after 06-07, and that's assuming we don't go farther that year with a healthy Wade.

In that scenario we definitely could have competed for more chips. In the east the only competition those years is a terrible Cavs squad, the Celtics (who were really only great in 07-08 and had injury problems consistently after that) and Dwight's Magic who were basically nothing but Dwight and bombing 3-pointers. Healthy Wade with any decent talent around him gets out of the east at least one or two of those years and anything can happen in the Finals if he's there. Also can you imagine the hype of a prime Wade/Kobe Finals matchup?

Don't forget, Wade didn't go to Cleveland to win rings (at least not until he was 35 and washed), LeBron came here to win rings.

[Beenie]

I said the same thing after they made it and got attacked.

it is what it is. Most fans just aren't wired to root for their team to lose but take a victory lap I guess

When the team loses 10 in a row, blows a plethora of 4th quarter leads, scores single digit quarters on multiple occasions, most logical fans arent wired to think that losing out on a lottery pick that features a generational talent is worth surrendering for the privilege of getting smoked in the first round.

[carnageta]

I would shoot for Giannis, and if that is not possible I would try and acquire Kevin Durant.

If that fails, I really think it's about time we did the 'smart' thing and trade Bam to a real contender for some assets in return.

[RRR3]

He had his meniscus in his left knee removed in college. That's what stopped him from being the goat.

I'm pretty convinced no one will ever be able to surpass MJ as GOAT in the eyes of the public due to the narrative around him. I'm not saying LeBron did surpass MJ btw, just the crazy standards I see MJ fans hold anyone who threatens him to....yeesh. Besides if LBJ doesn't come here, Wade probably has what like 1 ring? Maybe 2? You can be GOAT with 1-2 rings but no one will admit it, look at Wilt.

I'm assuming KD is talking if Wade doesn't have his meniscus removed. In which case, Riley isn't waiting around for the 2010 offseason, he's reloading after 06-07, and that's assuming we don't go farther that year with a healthy Wade.

In that scenario we definitely could have competed for more chips. In the east the only competition those years is a terrible Cavs squad, the Celtics (who were really only great in 07-08 and had injury problems consistently after that) and Dwight's Magic who were basically nothing but Dwight and bombing 3-pointers. Healthy Wade with any decent talent around him gets out of the east at least one or two of those years and anything can happen in the Finals if he's there. Also can you imagine the hype of a prime Wade/Kobe Finals matchup?

Don't forget, Wade didn't go to Cleveland to win rings (at least not until he was 35 and washed), LeBron came here to win rings.

Which is why they got to the finals lol. They were playing a more advanced version of basketball.

[contract]

The biggest playoff loss is 121-63 Denver Nuggets vs New Orleans Hornets, they are on pace to beat it.

Nah, our guys have too much pride.

[DayofMourning]

DPOY got 17 points.

[RRR3]

Durant is 37 that's the wrong move.

[oreon]

Jeez why do both coaches still have the starters in. Let the kids get some run

[Tim_Hardawayy]

You know Wade and LeBron were making a big deal shilling their stupid 08 redeem team documentary. But I'd pay any amount of money to get the real story behind the 2011 Finals collapse, all of it, every juicy detail. Of course we'll never hear that because LeBron's image is way too well protected now, but that's the scoop I want.

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Lebron just choked. The way Drake is getting clowned after the Kendrick beef was how Lebron was getting clowned after the Dallas final loss. I don't think he would sabotage Wade just to be a laughing stock for a full year. That loss was the lowest part of his career and probably one of the lowest in his life. People forget how hated he was, how much pressure he was under and how much the whole NBA fandom celebrated him & Miami getting embarrassed.

I don't know about that. In terms of overall legacy, it was better for him to 1) not have his first ring come with him not being the best player on the team. He would have never lived that down, but he knew that winning in the future would erase that. Which it effectively has. And 2) not give his contemporary/competition (friend or not) additional hardware. Think about it. If they never won another championship as a big 3, Wade has 2 championships and 2 FMVPs. Even if they won the next, Wade has 4 championships and 2 FMVPs, an a much better argument against LeBron.

LeBron is obsessed with his image and legacy, that's why he went back to Cleveland (he understood a ring there was the only thing that could get him in the talks vs MJ besides winning 10 rings and it was always gonna be easier winning 1 in Cleveland than 10 overall), that's why Klutch so carefully works the media now. He's exactly the type of personality I can see rationalizing it would be better to just not win than have his first ring come on Wade's coattails, especially since he saw the narrative built up around Kobe after the Shaq rings.

[Kobewade11]

When the team loses 10 in a row, blows a plethora of 4th quarter leads, scores single digit quarters on multiple occasions, most logical fans arent wired to think that losing out on a lottery pick that features a generational talent is worth surrendering for the privilege of getting smoked in the first round.

Most logical fans looked at the nuance in those 10 losses, along with the other losses on the season. Not getting into a dick swinging contest with you, I don't know the prize for being right but hey you called it we got swept. Congrats

[Enso]

You know Wade and LeBron were making a big deal shilling their stupid 08 redeem team documentary. But I'd pay any amount of money to get the real story behind the 2011 Finals collapse, all of it, every juicy detail. Of course we'll never hear that because LeBron's image is way too well protected now, but that's the scoop I want.

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Lebron just choked. The way Drake is getting clowned after the Kendrick beef was how Lebron was getting clowned after the Dallas final loss. I don't think he would sabotage Wade just to be a laughing stock for a full year. That loss was the lowest part of his career and probably one of the lowest in his life. People forget how hated he was, how much pressure he was under and how much the whole NBA fandom celebrated him & Miami getting embarrassed.

Sure & the only woman he's slept with during his NBA career is his wife

I think the fact that Wade took over the series bothered him and contributed to him getting stuck in his own head + checking out. The moment was also too big for him it seemed. I agree no way he threw the series purposefully that makes no sense.

[DayofMourning]

Go Jo!

[jbsays]

I don't know about that. In terms of overall legacy, it was better for him to 1) not have his first ring come with him not being the best player on the team and 2) give his contemporary/competition (friend or not) additional hardware. Think about it. If they never won another championship as a big 3, Wade has 2 championships and 2 FMVPs. Even if they won the next, Wade has 4 championships and 2 FMVPs, an a much better argument against LeBron.

At that point I don't think there is anyway their careers move forward without Lebron having a better career than Wade. Lebron was obviously built for longevity and Wade wasn't. Larry Bird wasn't Finals MVP when he won his first ring and Curry wasn't Finals MVP during one of the Warriors championships. I don't think anyone is saying that has hurt either of their legacies.

Yeah I guess it's possible LeBron threw it but if so he's a complete dumbass. He easily could have just frozen Wade out and shotjacked like Kobe did to Shaq in 2004 if he was that concerned with winning FMVP.

I don't think he threw it... I think he just played like s**t and was a non-factor.

BTW.... just looked up Birds stats in 1981 Finals. Before my time, but he averaged 15ppg, 15rpg, 7 apg, 2.3spg in that series. He played the most minutes and took the most shots on the team. His FG % sucked (42%), but it seems like he was playing to win.

[carnageta]

Jeez why do both coaches still have the starters in. Let the kids get some run

Spo probably still thinks we have a chance lol

[RRR3]

Why are we even talking about LeBron he's completely irrelevant to this team? Some of yall are deranged about him.