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Re: Cole "MF'in" Anthony. 

Post#41 » by Bensational » Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:17 am

MasterGMer wrote:I still hold my opinion that I think Cole is underrated by many here. He is not a star but he could be a factor in the game especially with his shot making. He should easily be our sixth man of the team. Cole's biggest problem is not his skill or talent, it is his consistency especially from game to game. But I think he should be fine. IMO he is a bigger offensive thread than AB and KCP on the floor. So he is the sixth man. I can even make a wild claim here. He could be a star. Don't hack me... :wink:


His splits say a lot. In W’s and L’s he averages the same stats, and with our record this season the sample sizes are even. Same pts, rbs, asts, USG%, but the big difference is his efficiency. TS% in W’s was 57%, and in L’s it was 50%. His Netrtg is a 25 point negative swing between his efficient games and his bad games. So whilst the consistency is a problem, the delta between good and bad games is probably a bigger problem.

Coin-toss Ross if he were a ball handler. He’s not at ‘bad’ player, and when he’s cooking he’s pretty unstoppable. But as you can see from the averages the nights he’s cooking aren’t frequent enough to shift his average win or lose.

Either way, for the playoffs we’re gonna need Ice Cole the absolute villain and I’m here for it. 26 points in 20 minutes is Lou Will good.
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Re: Cole "MF'in" Anthony. 

Post#42 » by MasterGMer » Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:33 am

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MasterGMer wrote:I still hold my opinion that I think Cole is underrated by many here. He is not a star but he could be a factor in the game especially with his shot making. He should easily be our sixth man of the team. Cole's biggest problem is not his skill or talent, it is his consistency especially from game to game. But I think he should be fine. IMO he is a bigger offensive thread than AB and KCP on the floor. So he is the sixth man. I can even make a wild claim here. He could be a star. Don't hack me... :wink:


His splits say a lot. In W’s and L’s he averages the same stats, and with our record this season the sample sizes are even. Same pts, rbs, asts, USG%, but the big difference is his efficiency. TS% in W’s was 57%, and in L’s it was 50%. His Netrtg is a 25 point negative swing between his efficient games and his bad games. So whilst the consistency is a problem, the delta between good and bad games is probably a bigger problem.

Coin-toss Ross if he were a ball handler. He’s not at ‘bad’ player, and when he’s cooking he’s pretty unstoppable. But as you can see from the averages the nights he’s cooking aren’t frequent enough to shift his average win or lose.

Either way, for the playoffs we’re gonna need Ice Cole the absolute villain and I’m here for it. 26 points in 20 minutes is Lou Will good.



If we need to have a chance to beat Boston, we need a fired up Cole. Especially the first two road games, we need to steal one in order for us to have a shot
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Post#43 » by yoyojw17 » Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:26 am

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MasterGMer wrote:I still hold my opinion that I think Cole is underrated by many here. He is not a star but he could be a factor in the game especially with his shot making. He should easily be our sixth man of the team. Cole's biggest problem is not his skill or talent, it is his consistency especially from game to game. But I think he should be fine. IMO he is a bigger offensive thread than AB and KCP on the floor. So he is the sixth man. I can even make a wild claim here. He could be a star. Don't hack me... :wink:


His splits say a lot. In W’s and L’s he averages the same stats, and with our record this season the sample sizes are even. Same pts, rbs, asts, USG%, but the big difference is his efficiency. TS% in W’s was 57%, and in L’s it was 50%. His Netrtg is a 25 point negative swing between his efficient games and his bad games. So whilst the consistency is a problem, the delta between good and bad games is probably a bigger problem.

Coin-toss Ross if he were a ball handler. He’s not at ‘bad’ player, and when he’s cooking he’s pretty unstoppable. But as you can see from the averages the nights he’s cooking aren’t frequent enough to shift his average win or lose.

Either way, for the playoffs we’re gonna need Ice Cole the absolute villain and I’m here for it. 26 points in 20 minutes is Lou Will good.



If we need to have a chance to beat Boston, we need a fired up Cole. Especially the first two road games, we need to steal one in order for us to have a shot

"Fired up Focused" Cole makes a huge difference. Last game he did not try to dominate the ball and got others involved... choosing his spots and moving the ball for the easier shot. Once this team realizes.... "We are enough" is not just a saying.... we can beat a lot more teams than our recent records have shown.

When Paolo was out... took a couple games.... but ball movement is what got us to excel... and that took a downshift when Paolo came back.Wendell can't become a proper lob threat if He doesn't even think he was getting the ball in the first place. hahah.... effort levels can't be that high too.

But... cole wants to win.... and as long as he take good shots and finds the open man.... never forcing to be the hero.... he's a much different player!
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Post#44 » by Skybox » Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:49 am

I’m honestly not in as big a rush to get rid of him as his deal is expiring/TO…I would like to upgrade his spot but also let him keep fighting for minutes…if he ever found consistency & efficiency - he’s still one of the most exciting, likable players on the team. He’s not “better” than KCP or Isaac, but he’s got a lot less guaranteed money and his type of player (when he’s on) is just what we need…I’m not defending his proven inconsistency, I just don’t feel as shackled to his contract anymore.
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Post#45 » by eyriq » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:20 pm

Skybox wrote:I’m honestly not in as big a rush to get rid of him as his deal is expiring/TO…I would like to upgrade his spot but also let him keep fighting for minutes…if he ever found consistency & efficiency - he’s still one of the most exciting, likable players on the team. He’s not “better” than KCP or Isaac, but he’s got a lot less guaranteed money and his type of player (when he’s on) is just what we need…I’m not defending his proven inconsistency, I just don’t feel as shackled to his contract anymore.


I’ll be sick to my stomach if he’s on the team next season. Weltman HAS to make some roster upgrades and Cole is the most obvious starting point.
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Post#46 » by Skybox » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:40 pm

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Skybox wrote:I’m honestly not in as big a rush to get rid of him as his deal is expiring/TO…I would like to upgrade his spot but also let him keep fighting for minutes…if he ever found consistency & efficiency - he’s still one of the most exciting, likable players on the team. He’s not “better” than KCP or Isaac, but he’s got a lot less guaranteed money and his type of player (when he’s on) is just what we need…I’m not defending his proven inconsistency, I just don’t feel as shackled to his contract anymore.


I’ll be sick to my stomach if he’s on the team next season. Weltman HAS to make some roster upgrades and Cole is the most obvious starting point.


I’m 100% desperate to upgrade his spot…my point is, for fiscal reasons, unloading an Isaac, KCP, or WCJ, with their future guaranteed $$$ makes a bigger dent in our looming payroll crunch. Depends on whose role is shrinking the most based on availability, draftees, trades etc…we have too many 8 figure guys that are deep in a tighter rotation. Have to consider Moe too…although Goga seems like the odd man out at $9m per and getting DNPs. Will Isaac ever play more (or better than this season)? If not- a Collin Murray-Boyles or Sorber or Carter Bryant might take his spot and save us a lot of money and availability concerns.
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Post#47 » by KillMonger » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:05 am

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Post#48 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon Apr 21, 2025 9:26 pm

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Post#49 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:33 am

People mad at Cole for not scoring 20 in 10 minutes time played is hilarious. Paolo and Franz just chuck so many shots nobody else was allowed to do anything.
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Post#50 » by KillMonger » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:31 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:People mad at Cole for not scoring 20 in 10 minutes time played is hilarious. Paolo and Franz just chuck so many shots nobody else was allowed to do anything.
Yeah they just chucking shots

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Post#51 » by fendilim » Tue Apr 22, 2025 4:30 am

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MasterGMer wrote:I still hold my opinion that I think Cole is underrated by many here. He is not a star but he could be a factor in the game especially with his shot making. He should easily be our sixth man of the team. Cole's biggest problem is not his skill or talent, it is his consistency especially from game to game. But I think he should be fine. IMO he is a bigger offensive thread than AB and KCP on the floor. So he is the sixth man. I can even make a wild claim here. He could be a star. Don't hack me... :wink:


His splits say a lot. In W’s and L’s he averages the same stats, and with our record this season the sample sizes are even. Same pts, rbs, asts, USG%, but the big difference is his efficiency. TS% in W’s was 57%, and in L’s it was 50%. His Netrtg is a 25 point negative swing between his efficient games and his bad games. So whilst the consistency is a problem, the delta between good and bad games is probably a bigger problem.

Coin-toss Ross if he were a ball handler. He’s not at ‘bad’ player, and when he’s cooking he’s pretty unstoppable. But as you can see from the averages the nights he’s cooking aren’t frequent enough to shift his average win or lose.

Either way, for the playoffs we’re gonna need Ice Cole the absolute villain and I’m here for it. 26 points in 20 minutes is Lou Will good.

Cole is the type of dynamic scorer who will win you games when he is hot, unfortunately, he is negative on majority of the season.

He is not a reliable 6th man, and is a liability on defense making him unplayable.
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Post#52 » by drsd » Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:18 am

eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:I’m honestly not in as big a rush to get rid of him as his deal is expiring/TO…I would like to upgrade his spot but also let him keep fighting for minutes…if he ever found consistency & efficiency - he’s still one of the most exciting, likable players on the team. He’s not “better” than KCP or Isaac, but he’s got a lot less guaranteed money and his type of player (when he’s on) is just what we need…I’m not defending his proven inconsistency, I just don’t feel as shackled to his contract anymore.


I’ll be sick to my stomach if he’s on the team next season. Weltman HAS to make some roster upgrades and Cole is the most obvious starting point.


As a trade: he or Caldwell-Pope must be moved. Persoanly I think they can both be shipped off. But there is not space for roster cosnolidation that has both Anthony and Caldwell-Pope on the roster.

The roster will probably look something like this (feeling free to "move" Suggs to SG if a PG is brought in)
Suggs/Black/some-dude
new-starter/some-dude/some-dude
F-Wagner/some-dude/da Silva
Banchero/M-Wagner/some-dude
Carter/Bitadze/some-dude

Maybe Isaac and Houstan come back. Depends on the trade(s). Howard could be brought back in an "Okeke-last-year" type, "what can we do".
Not agaist Joseph as the 3rd string PG. Harris must be allowed to leave.

In conclusion: the only thing we fans know is that Suggs/F-Wagner/Banchero will be brought back as starters. Every other player can be traded in the right deal.
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Post#53 » by CarraT » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:49 am

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Your numbers are just wrong. In April, Black was shooting 41/33/78 (including play in game. RS only would be 23% 3P)
And my case is a fact. Not a single month he shot better 3P% than last years average. Him "improving every month" is nothing you can back up statwise.
April stats. I like the 1.6 spg and 1.3 bpg

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/anthony-black-stats-over-last-7-games

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Got it, yours includes the play-in game, while the 33% I mentioned is just regular season. Let’s see how it holds up this month. So far, in all six completed months, he’s been below last season’s average.

That said, I honestly don’t put much weight into stats from the final month of the regular season. Most teams aren’t really trying anymore. I still remember RJ putting up like 15 PPG and getting Rookie of the Month, people around here were convinced he was a future star and our starting SG for years to come :P


So, despite Anthony Black "improving every month", in playoffs, when it matters, he shot 2-13 3P. Thats disastrous, but not a surprise.
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Re: Cole "MF'in" Anthony. 

Post#54 » by cedric76 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:29 am

drsd wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:I’m honestly not in as big a rush to get rid of him as his deal is expiring/TO…I would like to upgrade his spot but also let him keep fighting for minutes…if he ever found consistency & efficiency - he’s still one of the most exciting, likable players on the team. He’s not “better” than KCP or Isaac, but he’s got a lot less guaranteed money and his type of player (when he’s on) is just what we need…I’m not defending his proven inconsistency, I just don’t feel as shackled to his contract anymore.


I’ll be sick to my stomach if he’s on the team next season. Weltman HAS to make some roster upgrades and Cole is the most obvious starting point.


As a trade: he or Caldwell-Pope must be moved. Persoanly I think they can both be shipped off. But there is not space for roster cosnolidation that has both Anthony and Caldwell-Pope on the roster.

The roster will probably look something like this (feeling free to "move" Suggs to SG if a PG is brought in)
Suggs/Black/some-dude
new-starter/some-dude/some-dude
F-Wagner/some-dude/da Silva
Banchero/M-Wagner/some-dude
Carter/Bitadze/some-dude

Maybe Isaac and Houstan come back. Depends on the trade(s). Howard could be brought back in an "Okeke-last-year" type, "what can we do".
Not agaist Joseph as the 3rd string PG. Harris must be allowed to leave.

In conclusion: the only thing we fans know is that Suggs/F-Wagner/Banchero will be brought back as starters. Every other player can be traded in the right deal.


We won't trade KCP
Suggs, AB, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, TDS , Jett
Franz, TDS, Panda
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Post#55 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Apr 30, 2025 11:23 am

cedric76 wrote:
drsd wrote:
eyriq wrote:
I’ll be sick to my stomach if he’s on the team next season. Weltman HAS to make some roster upgrades and Cole is the most obvious starting point.


As a trade: he or Caldwell-Pope must be moved. Persoanly I think they can both be shipped off. But there is not space for roster cosnolidation that has both Anthony and Caldwell-Pope on the roster.

The roster will probably look something like this (feeling free to "move" Suggs to SG if a PG is brought in)
Suggs/Black/some-dude
new-starter/some-dude/some-dude
F-Wagner/some-dude/da Silva
Banchero/M-Wagner/some-dude
Carter/Bitadze/some-dude

Maybe Isaac and Houstan come back. Depends on the trade(s). Howard could be brought back in an "Okeke-last-year" type, "what can we do".
Not agaist Joseph as the 3rd string PG. Harris must be allowed to leave.

In conclusion: the only thing we fans know is that Suggs/F-Wagner/Banchero will be brought back as starters. Every other player can be traded in the right deal.


We won't trade KCP

We should we have cheap KCP at home in AB. Screw the veteran presence mantra and all that. That’s why you sign 1 year guys like CoJo who you could argue had more value to us the last 3 months than KCPoop
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#56 » by SloNick Russia » Wed Apr 30, 2025 6:09 pm

I like Cole as a person and he is and OK basketball player. However playoffs again show that he is not a contender 8 man rotation playoff material dude. Thats probably a fact for now. You don't hold to such guys if there is a chance to up the roster at his cost.

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Post#57 » by VFX » Wed Apr 30, 2025 6:39 pm

cedric76 wrote:
drsd wrote:
eyriq wrote:
I’ll be sick to my stomach if he’s on the team next season. Weltman HAS to make some roster upgrades and Cole is the most obvious starting point.


As a trade: he or Caldwell-Pope must be moved. Persoanly I think they can both be shipped off. But there is not space for roster cosnolidation that has both Anthony and Caldwell-Pope on the roster.

The roster will probably look something like this (feeling free to "move" Suggs to SG if a PG is brought in)
Suggs/Black/some-dude
new-starter/some-dude/some-dude
F-Wagner/some-dude/da Silva
Banchero/M-Wagner/some-dude
Carter/Bitadze/some-dude

Maybe Isaac and Houstan come back. Depends on the trade(s). Howard could be brought back in an "Okeke-last-year" type, "what can we do".
Not agaist Joseph as the 3rd string PG. Harris must be allowed to leave.

In conclusion: the only thing we fans know is that Suggs/F-Wagner/Banchero will be brought back as starters. Every other player can be traded in the right deal.


We won't trade KCP


Why?

We can just start Jett Howard in this place. Right?
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Post#58 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 30, 2025 6:50 pm

VFX wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
drsd wrote:
As a trade: he or Caldwell-Pope must be moved. Persoanly I think they can both be shipped off. But there is not space for roster cosnolidation that has both Anthony and Caldwell-Pope on the roster.

The roster will probably look something like this (feeling free to "move" Suggs to SG if a PG is brought in)
Suggs/Black/some-dude
new-starter/some-dude/some-dude
F-Wagner/some-dude/da Silva
Banchero/M-Wagner/some-dude
Carter/Bitadze/some-dude

Maybe Isaac and Houstan come back. Depends on the trade(s). Howard could be brought back in an "Okeke-last-year" type, "what can we do".
Not agaist Joseph as the 3rd string PG. Harris must be allowed to leave.

In conclusion: the only thing we fans know is that Suggs/F-Wagner/Banchero will be brought back as starters. Every other player can be traded in the right deal.


We won't trade KCP


Why?

We can just start Jett Howard in this place. Right?
Howard can't guard anyone. They've only let him play a couple hundred meaningful minutes in 2 years because they can't.

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Post#59 » by VFX » Wed Apr 30, 2025 6:53 pm

basketballRob wrote:
VFX wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
We won't trade KCP


Why?

We can just start Jett Howard in this place. Right?
Howard can't guard anyone. They've only let him play a couple hundred meaningful minutes in 2 years because they can't.

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Post#60 » by drsd » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:50 pm

VFX wrote:We can just start Jett Howard in this place. Right?


Working on your stand-up routine are you?


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