2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6

[MainEvent]

When I look at the 4th overall pick, I don't want Kyle Korver as my result. Nor whatever Castle is right now.

We can agree to disagree on the EV for the 4th overall pick, that's fine.

Castle at 4? gimme gimme

Eew, why?

He plays both sides of the ball and if the 3pt shot hits he can be an all-star IMO. ill take that all day with the 4th pick

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Castle at 4? gimme gimme

Eew, why?

He plays both sides of the ball and if the 3pt shot hits he can be an all-star IMO. ill take that all day with the 4th pick

Castle may be the worst ROY since MCW. Think at best he's Tyreke Evans.

I would take Ja'Kobe over Castle based on post-allstar play.

[MainEvent]

Eew, why?

He plays both sides of the ball and if the 3pt shot hits he can be an all-star IMO. ill take that all day with the 4th pick

Castle may be the worst ROY since MCW. Think at best he's Tyreke Evans.

we are talking about him as a 4th pick, do you think he's bad value there?

Evans there are 2 sides to the court and Castle has elite potential on D that you have to weigh in

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He plays both sides of the ball and if the 3pt shot hits he can be an all-star IMO. ill take that all day with the 4th pick

Castle may be the worst ROY since MCW. Think at best he's Tyreke Evans.

we are talking about him as a 4th pick, do you think he's bad value there?

Evans there are 2 sides to the court and Castle has elite potential on D that you have to weigh in

In that bad draft, no.

Same amount of defense as Walter and Ochai. The numbers don't shot that he was good his rookie season; Walter slightly better.

Anyhow, pairing Ja'Kobe, Shead and Carter Bryant, in a few years might be the best defensive guard trio in a while.

[Indeed]

Again, Giannis already got a tight (guard) handle. Did you watch the video I posted?

So what's your bar for "raw"? Who's an example of a raw player that had success?

Giannis does not have a guard like handle either, noteven if we are factoring the height. If Giannis has guard like handles what does players like KD/Tatum/joker handles get compared too who are similar heights as Giannis

This is the link way back on my earlier post that you missed
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V_EhyDI52q4

[tsherkin]

Castle at 4? gimme gimme

Eew, why?

He plays both sides of the ball and if the 3pt shot hits he can be an all-star IMO. ill take that all day with the 4th pick

He looks like hot garbage as a scorer so far. D is nice, and he doesn't have sticky hands, seems to be a decent passer. We'll see what another year or two does for his scoring. The Spurs certainly aren't in a hurry. But yeah, nothing about his scoring game excites me at all. He sucked a lot of ass at 12 FGA/gm, which isn't encouraging.

[OhCanada]

This board trashing Stephon Castle is insane. Spurs are going to make sure that guy is very good. He's a 6'6 athletic PG and he averaged 15 points and 4 assists as a rookie. What pick they used to acquire him doesn't matter. Hes good.

[MainEvent]

Eew, why?

He plays both sides of the ball and if the 3pt shot hits he can be an all-star IMO. ill take that all day with the 4th pick

He looks like hot garbage as a scorer so far. D is nice, and he doesn't have sticky hands, seems to be a decent passer. We'll see what another year or two does for his scoring. The Spurs certainly aren't in a hurry. But yeah, nothing about his scoring game excites me at all. He sucked a lot of ass at 12 FGA/gm, which isn't encouraging.

Dude is a rookie who got better as the season went on even when he had to shoulder more responsibility offensively. His development over the season is really encouraging + you know the defense will be there. He had a better year than most would have thought prior to the season and showed off improved on ball ability the last couple months. lots of reasons to be optimistic

Lebron suck a lot of ass at 19 FGA/gm as a rookie... hot garbage

[DreamTeam09]

So what's your bar for "raw"? Who's an example of a raw player that had success?

Giannis does not have a guard like handle either, noteven if we are factoring the height. If Giannis has guard like handles what does players like KD/Tatum/joker handles get compared too who are similar heights as Giannis

This is the link way back on my earlier post that you missed
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V_EhyDI52q4

This doesn't help your debate, what about that clip says guard like skills. I see a point forward in his rookie or 2nd yr - you don't think Scottie Barnes haven't made those exact same plays ?

Giannis was just on a media table mentioning guys like Scottie & Paulo who are in the point fwd mold like himself

[Los_29]

Who are those “skill” guys we passed on?

I didn't posit we had.

You said you wouldn’t mind some “skill over physical” guys here and there. Our track record has been very good when we draft these “physical guys.” In fact, our skilled guys haven’t panned out nearly as well. I just want the best player available and to our FO’s credit, we will take these skilled guys if they are on the board.

I can see your point if we’ve been missing out on significant talent by drafting these physical guys. But these guys have ended up being the BPA and having great careers.

We haven’t passed up on any notable skilled players in favour of physical guys. Unless you wanted a more skilled but worse overall player. That won’t make us a better team though. So not sure I understand this criticism.

[Indeed]

Giannis does not have a guard like handle either, noteven if we are factoring the height. If Giannis has guard like handles what does players like KD/Tatum/joker handles get compared too who are similar heights as Giannis

This is the link way back on my earlier post that you missed
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V_EhyDI52q4

This doesn't help your debate, what about that clip says guard like skills. I see a point forward in his rookie or 2nd yr - you don't think Scottie Barnes haven't made those exact same plays ?

Giannis was just on a media table mentioning guys like Scottie & Paulo who are in the point fwd mold like himself

Is Barnes raw? He has been starting on a playoffs team, or he at least would be coming off the bench for a good team.

I admit that Giannis isn't as polished, but I think Maluach would be hardly seeing meaningful minutes in the NBA in terms of raw.

[tsherkin]

Dude is a rookie who got better as the season went on even when he had to shoulder more responsibility offensively. His development over the season is really encouraging + you know the defense will be there. He had a better year than most would have thought prior to the season and showed off improved on ball ability the last couple months. lots of reasons to be optimistic

I mean, I love his D. His scoring was terrible. He isn't an elite athlete and he is a poor shooter. That doesn't mix well.

Lebron suck a lot of ass at 19 FGA/gm as a rookie... hot garbage

Sure. He had a greater share of scoring responsibility and it was 03-04, the nadir of offense in the league of the past half-century or so. And yeah, Lebron had a lot of work to do on his jumper. I don't think equating Castle to Lebron is an effective argument, though, most especially with the differences in physical tools and volume. I don't think anyone sane is expecting Castle to turn into Lebron, of course.

And yes, it's possible he'll improve. But when a guy starts out that badly, on low volume, and doesn't have tier-1 physical tools, skepticism is normal and fair.

[TNRaps4life]

https://youtu.be/pVZa8bMvsR4

2nd round if we get top 4 pick

[Dalek]

People are being way to harsh on Castle. He is not a focal point of any offense - that's Wemby's role.

He is a driver and solid defender and is a strong kid who with reps should end up an adequate outside shooter. That's like Derrick White or Jrue Holiday. That is a very good complimentary piece on championship team. Nothing wrong with that.

[Yallbecrazy]

my issue with Kalkbrenner is he never really got better from his 2nd year in college to his 5th.

[Consequence]

I've come around on enough other prospects that I think I would be a little disappointed with Fears being the pick. I don't worry as much about the outside shooting with him as much as the finishing-great at getting into the paint, not loving a lot of the process around actually scoring there.

[WuTang_CMB]

That Carter Bryant breakdown vid I posted is def worth a watch. He's gotta be super high on our board

[TNRaps4life]

Watch on YouTube

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I've come around on enough other prospects that I think I would be a little disappointed with Fears being the pick. I don't worry as much about the outside shooting with him as much as the finishing-great at getting into the paint, not loving a lot of the process around actually scoring there.

I see him more like a Trae Young that can't shoot from 3 yet. He might be scoring but will probably demand a max contract but not be worth it.

I see Queen being the same way but as a big.

[Psubs]

my issue with Kalkbrenner is he never really got better from his 2nd year in college to his 5th.

He looks like a solid 10 year vet like Mason Plumlee that might be able to shoot 3's (30-35%). Solid back-up that could start if needed.