2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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First time having 2 of the top playoff droppers since 2021 which wasn’t really a good test of their playoff impact considering we just had the shortest offseason ever.

I figured Wiggins would be even worse than he is tbh

[MettaWorldPanda]

Unless Pat steps down and Spolestra goes into the front office with Quinn stepping in there will be absolutely no tear down no matter how much you may think it’s the right thing to do. The realistic move this summer is Kevin Durant in Riley’s final swing whether we like it or not.

[oreon]

Unless Pat steps down and Spolestra goes into the front office with Quinn stepping in there will be absolutely no tear down no matter how much you may think it’s the right thing to do. The realistic move this summer is Kevin Durant in Riley’s final swing whether we like it or not.

I'd rather run it back then waste picks on KD and have to extend him for 60 mil a year. One bad injury and you are the Bucks, capped out with a bad contract and limited picks. If its KD, do nothing instead

[Rapaz]

If someone here really believes we're getting ANY superstar this offseason - I'm jealous of your oblivious state of mind.

We're getting Chit. We'll be lucky to keep Davion. Next season will be another desperate run for a plan-in spot.

Delusional level optimism is not a working plan. Things won't change until our approach changes.

Pat Riley has a strange fetish for the Chit family. He’s been landing a Chit every offseason for years. First it was Jack Chit, then Bull Chit, then Horse Chit, and most recently Deep Chit. Let’s see which member of the Chit family he lands this year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Jay Williams is faded, he said Jimmy carried lesser teams to the finals than this warriors team minus Steph and then mentioned the bubble run Heat

That roster **** on the Warriors roster minus Steph not to mention Jimmy was better then.

[wade44]

Unless Pat steps down and Spolestra goes into the front office with Quinn stepping in there will be absolutely no tear down no matter how much you may think it’s the right thing to do. The realistic move this summer is Kevin Durant in Riley’s final swing whether we like it or not.

That may be true but at least people have to acknowledge you need a 1a or 1b (butler) to compete in this league. KD is a 2a or 2b let’s get real when’s the last time he’s won in the playoffs while even on some stacked teams

[greg4012]

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Jay Williams is faded, he said Jimmy carried lesser teams to the finals than this warriors team minus Steph and then mentioned the bubble run Heat

That roster **** on the Warriors roster minus Steph not to mention Jimmy was better then.

I believe Jimmy wasn't even the leading scorer thru the ECF in the bubble run

[Hoops3355]

We aren't getting Giannis.

I don't even think they move him unless something crazy happens with Pelicans and they blow it up UP. The return they'd have to get to move him with the current outstanding draft picks it just doesn't get them in a place where they can reload. I'm laughing still though because Pat low key really ended the Bucks window with them jumping in the Dame trade to beat us. Looking back they'd have been better off going for just about anyone else. Figure with the new CBA they'll be taking back salary with their expirings.

We're giving Pat credit for other teams making dumb decisions now?

Not so much just Pat (Miami Heat) our interest more so. Dame never fit their system and never made sense for them given the way they played defensive and the personnel. Our interest in Dame forced their hand a bit and they ended up just destroying their entire future by trading Jrue and not moving off Lopez.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Jay Williams is faded, he said Jimmy carried lesser teams to the finals than this warriors team minus Steph and then mentioned the bubble run Heat

That roster **** on the Warriors roster minus Steph not to mention Jimmy was better then.

I believe Jimmy wasn't even the leading scorer thru the ECF in the bubble run

You’re correct, it was Dragic, Jimmy, Bam in that order. Then he went crazy in the finals when Bam/Dragic got hurt

[MettaWorldPanda]

Unless Pat steps down and Spolestra goes into the front office with Quinn stepping in there will be absolutely no tear down no matter how much you may think it’s the right thing to do. The realistic move this summer is Kevin Durant in Riley’s final swing whether we like it or not.

I'd rather run it back then waste picks on KD and have to extend him for 60 mil a year. One bad injury and you are the Bucks, capped out with a bad contract and limited picks. If its KD, do nothing instead

One bad injury and we have a 2026 lottery pick or a protected one in 2027. It’s not as bad as it seems. It’s a worthy gamble to make us relevant in a two year window with Bam and Herro.

[VaDe255]

Unless Pat steps down and Spolestra goes into the front office with Quinn stepping in there will be absolutely no tear down no matter how much you may think it’s the right thing to do. The realistic move this summer is Kevin Durant in Riley’s final swing whether we like it or not.

I very much doubt it, for the following reasons:

i) They don't have the assets. Yes, I know they can match with expirings, but the problem is giving Phoenix actual value in the deal and players who help win, otherwise KD must really force his way out of there and to Miami, why else exchange him for a bunch of guys who make you worse
ii) They just chose not to extend Jimmy. It would have been far easier to make some smaller trades and continue with Jimmy than to trade for KD now (if Riles wanted his last hurrah, it would have been with Jimmy)
iii) The KD move would put them in a very difficult position with their cap (something like 9 players if it's Duncan + Wiggins + Jović + 20th pick), meaning they'd have to sign 5 more with only ~$12M left and Terry still on the roster. They also wouldn't be able to re-sign Davion.
iv) KD + Bam + Herro + minimum contracts and a bunch of projects doesn't make them contenders.

I think the FO will just duck the repeater tax and see how they can improve around the edges, while keeping flexibility open.
They have a very simple way of doing it: just waiving Duncan would leave them $23M under the luxury tax with 11 players under contract (plus the 20th pick to be paid), which makes it easy to re-sign Davion and still have space. They can still make moves with the Wiggins/Terry/Kyle contracts if a difference-maker becomes available to round out the roster.

[Vertical Limit]

Lol if anyone thinks Butler on this Heat team would have beaten the Cavs.. we lost that series by an NBA record 122 points which is absurd. butler is not closing that gap..

We would have still gotten swept.

And with the way Butler was behaving, we dont even know what Butler would have shown up. We may not have even made it to the play in.

Now hes on TNT’s/ESPN’s golden boys team and with Curry, Butler has been able to repair his inage and theyre all actibg like what he was doing on the Heat never happened… but he was way wrong, he was ripped to shreds by former players and all of the media for his actions and even brought up the fact that this isnt new of hi. - hes done this before on 3 other teams.


Until yall realize that the Heat core of Herro and Bam is what is holding us back, you will never move on.

You can add Durant to this core and im not sure we are not in the play in again next year.

You cant add an all nba and all defensive talent like Giannis without giving up at least Bam and 3 firsts, but you all say Bam is untradeable, some of yall may even think Giannis and Bam is a wash

The core has got to be blown up, and rebuilt. And if this Heat squad ever comes to terms to that and are ready to trade everything (herro, bam, firsts, etc) theyve got for a real superstar, im here and all for it.

Adding some talent at the end of his career to this squad isnt going to do **** for us. So whats the plan?

Send Bam for Randle and I GUARANTEE we’re in the finals next year!! DO IT PAT!!!

Its funny you say that, and you would make such a joke like that because you probably believe Bam is one of the top 20 players in the NBA. You may even have him rated higher than top 20, despite him not having made NBA first, second or third team in 8 nba seasons…

By the way fun fact, Julius Randle has made all nba second and third team before.

Never have I said Randle was a top player in the NBA or even a top 20 player. I said hes a better all around player than Bam. And he has been so far this playoffs. By all statistics Bam is a better defensive player, we sure didnt see it against the Cavs though. He is far from an offensive threat that imposes fear to any defense.. teams respect Randle’s offensive game, every team knows his bag on that end is far bigger than Bam.

So if i have Randle rated somewhere between 30-40, Bam falls right behind.

And now we put the Bam and Randle stuff aside and think, are we really going to hold this team back because of Bam or Herro? The answer to Bam and Herro is Butler, or Kevin Durant? Really?


15 years ago we wouldnt settle for such low level “stars”. We would have done everything we can to trade up and get more. This fanbase has forgotten what it was like to have a Shaquille Oneal, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh… tim hardaway, alonzo..

Bam, herro.. get outta here with that.. that play in against the bulls gonna be fun again next year though

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lol if anyone thinks Butler on this Heat team would have beaten the Cavs.. we lost that series by an NBA record 122 points which is absurd. butler is not closing that gap..

We would have still gotten swept.

And with the way Butler was behaving, we dont even know what Butler would have shown up. We may not have even made it to the play in.

Now hes on TNT’s/ESPN’s golden boys team and with Curry, Butler has been able to repair his inage and theyre all actibg like what he was doing on the Heat never happened… but he was way wrong, he was ripped to shreds by former players and all of the media for his actions and even brought up the fact that this isnt new of hi. - hes done this before on 3 other teams.


Until yall realize that the Heat core of Herro and Bam is what is holding us back, you will never move on.

You can add Durant to this core and im not sure we are not in the play in again next year.

You cant add an all nba and all defensive talent like Giannis without giving up at least Bam and 3 firsts, but you all say Bam is untradeable, some of yall may even think Giannis and Bam is a wash

The core has got to be blown up, and rebuilt. And if this Heat squad ever comes to terms to that and are ready to trade everything (herro, bam, firsts, etc) theyve got for a real superstar, im here and all for it.

Adding some talent at the end of his career to this squad isnt going to do **** for us. So whats the plan?

Send Bam for Randle and I GUARANTEE we’re in the finals next year!! DO IT PAT!!!

Its funny you say that, and you would make such a joke like that because you probably believe Bam is one of the top 20 players in the NBA. You may even have him rated higher than top 20, despite him not having made NBA first, second or third team in 8 nba seasons…

By the way fun fact, Julius Randle has made all nba second and third team before.

Never have I said Randle was a top player in the NBA or even a top 20 player. I said hes a better all around player than Bam. And he has been so far this playoffs. By all statistics Bam is a better defensive player, we sure didnt see it against the Cavs though. He is far from an offensive threat that imposes fear to any defense.. teams respect Randle’s offensive game, every team knows his bag on that end is far bigger than Bam.

So if i have Randle rated somewhere between 30-40, Bam falls right behind.

And now we put the Bam and Randle stuff aside and think, are we really going to hold this team back because of Bam or Herro? The answer to Bam and Herro is Butler, or Kevin Durant? Really?


15 years ago we wouldnt settle for such low level “stars”. We would have done everything we can to trade up and get more. This fanbase has forgotten what it was like to have a Shaquille Oneal, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh… tim hardaway, alonzo..

Bam, herro.. get outta here with that.. that play in against the bulls gonna be fun again next year though

Yea Bam is likely in the top 150-200 AT BEST, I prefer players like Randle that have shown several times they impact winning at a high level (Randle has shown it with SEVERAL deep playoff runs) clearly don’t put up empty numbers, and has a great reputation as a guy who everyone loves to play with, doesn’t take defensive plays off nearly all the time, and doesn’t pout when he doesn’t get a boat load of the shots.

[ZoStrong]

Unless Pat steps down and Spolestra goes into the front office with Quinn stepping in there will be absolutely no tear down no matter how much you may think it’s the right thing to do. The realistic move this summer is Kevin Durant in Riley’s final swing whether we like it or not.

Yup, that would be the predicable Riley move. But he's been "too patient" (in many critics' eyes) not going for all-in moves during the Jimmy runs. I do think there are more people who swing votes in the organization than before. Riley's more of the "face" than the "the buck stops here" guy now, imo

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[VaDe255]

Send Bam for Randle and I GUARANTEE we’re in the finals next year!! DO IT PAT!!!

Its funny you say that, and you would make such a joke like that because you probably believe Bam is one of the top 20 players in the NBA. You may even have him rated higher than top 20, despite him not having made NBA first, second or third team in 8 nba seasons…

By the way fun fact, Julius Randle has made all nba second and third team before.

Never have I said Randle was a top player in the NBA or even a top 20 player. I said hes a better all around player than Bam. And he has been so far this playoffs. By all statistics Bam is a better defensive player, we sure didnt see it against the Cavs though. He is far from an offensive threat that imposes fear to any defense.. teams respect Randle’s offensive game, every team knows his bag on that end is far bigger than Bam.

So if i have Randle rated somewhere between 30-40, Bam falls right behind.

And now we put the Bam and Randle stuff aside and think, are we really going to hold this team back because of Bam or Herro? The answer to Bam and Herro is Butler, or Kevin Durant? Really?


15 years ago we wouldnt settle for such low level “stars”. We would have done everything we can to trade up and get more. This fanbase has forgotten what it was like to have a Shaquille Oneal, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh… tim hardaway, alonzo..

Bam, herro.. get outta here with that.. that play in against the bulls gonna be fun again next year though

Yea Bam is likely in the top 150-200 AT BEST, I prefer players like Randle that have shown several times they impact winning at a high level (Randle has shown it with SEVERAL deep playoff runs) clearly don’t put up empty numbers, and has a great reputation as a guy who everyone loves to play with, doesn’t take defensive plays off nearly all the time, and doesn’t pout when he doesn’t get a boat load of the shots.

Sarcasm aside, when has Bam shown he impacts winning at a high level?
So far, only Jimmy has shown he does that.

Lets not look at the last 2 series, but even back in the 2023 Bam wasn't good:
.078 WS/48, -0.7 BPM through the playoffs and the eye test agreed. He couldn’t slow down Jokic one bit while also chucking middies the whole series (and playoffs) at 53% TS.

We quickly forget how Caleb stepped up: 0.14 WS/48, 2.3 BPM on 66% TS in 23 playoffs. He’s one big reason they even got to the Finals past the Celtics, not Bam.

For me, Bam hasn't proven anything, because the only time he was impactful was back in low usage role early in his career.
This higher usage Bam isn't impacting winning at a high level and never has, he's right around the 50th best player mark.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Sarcasm aside, when has Bam shown he impacts winning at a high level?
So far, only Jimmy has shown he does that.

Lets not look at the last 2 series, but even back in the 2023 Bam wasn't good:
.078 WS/48, -0.7 BPM through the playoffs and the eye test agreed. He couldn’t slow down Jokic one bit while also chucking middies the whole series (and playoffs) at 53% TS.

We quickly forget how Caleb stepped up: 0.14 WS/48, 2.3 BPM on 66% TS in 23 playoffs. He’s one big reason they even got to the Finals past the Celtics, not Bam.

For me, Bam hasn't proven anything, because the only time he was impactful was back in low usage role early in his career.
This higher usage Bam isn't impacting winning and never has, he's right around the 50th best player mark.

I don't want to pile on Bam (although the ridiculous sarcasm makes me want to because some people just can't be reasonable), but this is probably the most accurate take. That said it's not all bad, I don't think Bam ever really hurts a team he's on, he's never going to shoot you out of it or be a negative on defense and those are the ways players can become negative impact. I just think his ceiling on the positive winning side of a team is lower than we might have hoped it could be, and the team probably needs to operate with that in mind instead of assuming he can be your second best player on a championship squad.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Also I badly hope KD gets moved early in the offseason to Houston or something so we can stop talking about that. I'd rather focus on either sucking next year to start potentially drafting the next Wade, or trying to acquire a guy young enough to actually make a difference here instead of shifting deck chairs on the titanic (Luka, Ant, even Giannis). Yeah they're pipedreams but so is getting KD for nothing, and giving up youth/value for KD is more of a nightmare than a dream.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

EDIT: Double post realgm **** up again

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Its funny you say that, and you would make such a joke like that because you probably believe Bam is one of the top 20 players in the NBA. You may even have him rated higher than top 20, despite him not having made NBA first, second or third team in 8 nba seasons…

By the way fun fact, Julius Randle has made all nba second and third team before.

Never have I said Randle was a top player in the NBA or even a top 20 player. I said hes a better all around player than Bam. And he has been so far this playoffs. By all statistics Bam is a better defensive player, we sure didnt see it against the Cavs though. He is far from an offensive threat that imposes fear to any defense.. teams respect Randle’s offensive game, every team knows his bag on that end is far bigger than Bam.

So if i have Randle rated somewhere between 30-40, Bam falls right behind.

And now we put the Bam and Randle stuff aside and think, are we really going to hold this team back because of Bam or Herro? The answer to Bam and Herro is Butler, or Kevin Durant? Really?


15 years ago we wouldnt settle for such low level “stars”. We would have done everything we can to trade up and get more. This fanbase has forgotten what it was like to have a Shaquille Oneal, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh… tim hardaway, alonzo..

Bam, herro.. get outta here with that.. that play in against the bulls gonna be fun again next year though

Yea Bam is likely in the top 150-200 AT BEST, I prefer players like Randle that have shown several times they impact winning at a high level (Randle has shown it with SEVERAL deep playoff runs) clearly don’t put up empty numbers, and has a great reputation as a guy who everyone loves to play with, doesn’t take defensive plays off nearly all the time, and doesn’t pout when he doesn’t get a boat load of the shots.

Sarcasm aside, when has Bam shown he impacts winning at a high level?
So far, only Jimmy has shown he does that.

Lets not look at the last 2 series, but even back in the 2023 Bam wasn't good:
.078 WS/48, -0.7 BPM through the playoffs and the eye test agreed. He couldn’t slow down Jokic one bit while also chucking middies the whole series (and playoffs) at 53% TS.

We quickly forget how Caleb stepped up: 0.14 WS/48, 2.3 BPM on 66% TS in 23 playoffs. He’s one big reason they even got to the Finals past the Celtics, not Bam.

For me, Bam hasn't proven anything, because the only time he was impactful was back in low usage role early in his career.
This higher usage Bam isn't impacting winning at a high level and never has, he's right around the 50th best player mark.

Never, he sucks.