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bwgood77 wrote:So we are looking at a coach named Longstaff. Frank should have some fun with that one. It's already a great start.
Bogyo wrote:bwgood77 wrote:So we are looking at a coach named Longstaff. Frank should have some fun with that one. It's already a great start.
Funny that. I might just add quietly, that no matter who is the next coach, if we dont trade the bad apples (KD and Book) noone will listen to him. So whats the point? I could be the coach or the genetically modified lovechild of Auerbach/Jackson/Popovich/Kerr could be the coach, it wouldnt matter.
ESPN’s Tim Legler isn’t so sure about staying with the current roster led by Devin Booker, Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal that’s projected to go over the second tax apron in 2025-26.
“To me, I think this has run its course,” Legler said during an ESPN media conference call Thursday, May 15, as the network introduced its alt-cast for the Western Conference finals.
Phoenix’s major roster change was trading Jusuf Nurkic to Charlotte and acquiring Nick Richards from the Hornets in separate deals before the trade deadline.
The Suns went 10-18 after the All-Star break, losing nine of their final 10 games.
“I don’t think the results have been anything that they expected,” Legler said. “They went out and hired two coaches with a lot of NBA experience, both of whom have won championships in this league, and they gave them each one year to try to sort through that.”
“I don’t think that they’ve necessarily chose the wrong coach,” Legler said. “I think maybe the mix isn’t necessarily the best amongst those guys. When you’ve had the level of underachievement that they’ve had over the last couple of years, I think you start to look, 'OK, let’s approach this differently.' That would be my approach for Brian Gregory.”
The Phoenix Suns won just 36 games this season, missing the playoffs for the first time since 2019-20, but their new general manager, Brian Gregory, described the roster as being “pretty talented.”
The Suns posted a 9-21 record versus this year’s Western Conference playoff teams, going winless against four of them.
(1) Oklahoma City Thunder.0-3 vs (2) Houston Rockets.2-2 vs. (3) Los Angeles Lakers.1-3 vs. (4) Denver Nuggets.4-0 vs. (5) Los Angeles Clippers.0-4 vs. (6) Minnesota Timberwolves.2-2 vs. (7) Golden State Warriors.0-4 vs. (8) Memphis Grizzlies.
I know there’s a lot of talent and it’s easier said than done to get back what it’s worth, 'cause that’s not always the easiest thing to get fair market value for talent like that,” Legler said. “The talent can be so stimulating, you can always think, 'Hey, we’re going to turn this around."
"I’m not convinced after watching the last couple of seasons that it’s the right mix."
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
The story behind the towel in the face of Ainge by that POS Robert Horry who bloodied up Nash in the Spurs series.
Calvin Klein wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
The story behind the towel in the face of Ainge by that POS Robert Horry who bloodied up Nash in the Spurs series.
Danny Ainge doesn't seem the most likeable person either though
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
My hope (and strong belief) is that Giannis won't choose to go to Houston anyways, which would set up KD as an enticing plan B alternative option for a trade. Then we could pull some young players and at least our 25' PHX 1st ( 10th pick) for KD.
Personally, I really don't care if we'd have to take back J Green in the deal because he'd still represent a trade asset that we could flip elsewhere for other pieces/ picks. And with the 10th pick, we could keep it ........................
OR do what I'd personally prefer in trading back with another team like Brooklyn or Orlando for other pieces and additional picks too. Giving us more swings on potential big end talent and/ or cost controlled depth pieces. Really, give me a trade back outcome of either:
Brooklyn
The 10th pick for the 19th pick, 26th pick. 27th pick. Giving us the 19,26, 27, 29, and 52nd picks to use in this draft to address multiple positions!!
OR
Orlando
The 10th pick for the 16th pick, 25th pick, and 46th pick. Giving us a total of 16, 25, 29, 46, 52. Still loading up on young, athletic, physical cost controlled talent at multiple positions.
I'd look to follow either of those trades up with an Allen to Orlando for Bidatze/ Harris expiring trade.
OR
An Allen CLE 29' 1st to Charlotte for Mark Williams/ 33rd pick/ 26' 2nd via (DEN or GS).
Then follow that up with an O'neale/ Richards trade to Washington for Smart/ CHI 26' 2nd.
BobbieL wrote:Calvin Klein wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Haven't listened since Lindsay was let go and while I enjoy Gerald, he just isn't enough for me to tune in and have to listen to the other dudes.
Seriously, they had a good fun group but they went Ishbia mode and brought that fraud Flex and destroyed everything. I haven't watched again since that idiot was brought in but now there's a dude wearing way too short shorts, WTF?
I think Gerald is good but its Ruby who is the idiot I think. He is too much fan boy "stan" to be taken seriously. Take the emotion out of if Erik. Over the top takes for sure. Flex was a terrible hire - always wore sunglasses inside - not sure if for his eyes or he thought he was cool
Lindsay just made it a bit more fun. Pridgeon is knowledgeable about the game itself and has good takes. But he also said he would trade Durant for PG13 and the 3rd pick so he lost me on that one
Saberestar wrote:Michael Scotto:Sources: Hornets assistant Josh Longstaff is among the candidates for the Suns head coaching job.
He was an assistant for Bulls coach Billy Donovan, former Bucks coach Mike Budenholzer, Team USA for Jeff Van Gundy, Erie BayHawks head coach, a Knicks assistant, and worked for OKC.
calling Booker a bad apple is so **** lame man. A few people on this board really need to stop straw maning book. It’s fine if you’re upset that we won’t trade him but to call him a bad player, empty stats, or attack his character is imaginary low hanging fruit.Bogyo wrote:bwgood77 wrote:So we are looking at a coach named Longstaff. Frank should have some fun with that one. It's already a great start.
Funny that. I might just add quietly, that no matter who is the next coach, if we dont trade the bad apples (KD and Book) noone will listen to him. So whats the point? I could be the coach or the genetically modified lovechild of Auerbach/Jackson/Popovich/Kerr could be the coach, it wouldnt matter.
Saberestar wrote:BobbieL wrote:Frank Lee wrote:
Why do you keep referencing 30-35 mill for a buy out? You either buy him out or you dont. You have no Fn idea of what that will be. And It doesn’t matter unless you stretch him. If Phnx wants to stretch him it’s less than 20 mill to work number wise. And did yall forget about his NTC?
I guess If you say it enough it becomes fact tho eh?
With Beal, You either keep him or buy him out and/or stretch him. That’s it. You aren’t trading this dude without burying yourselves deeper.
This off season can’t end soon enough. I’ve never seen such a collection wild and unrealistic trades/ideas. Both thought up here and reposted from clickbait desperados. It’s fn infectious. This site could be renamed UnrealGM.
Not your GMjunkieAzz faults tho, and I know I am hollering at clouds….because some of you HAVE to post….
But There just are not many options available.
This is the Rock hard place painted into the corner scenario we feared once the ALL IN road was taken.
I’d advise adopting a second team to get through the next few yrs.
Unless I am mistaken, only so much of your yearly salary cap can be "stretched dollars." And with Little counting $7m and I think Liddle counting $700k - that Beal would need to come in at like $16m per year to combine with the other two
110-30 = 80. ? And now you take 80 and divide by 5 (for the number of years . I am not stretching him for 30-35 - I am reducing the 110 by 30 to 35
So we add the three numbers together: 16 + 7 +700k = $23.7m
So again, unless I am mistaken -- but I think to buy him out they just can't divide the 110/5 because that is too much money being stretched
Personally, again, I don't think the short term gain is worth the longer term pain and I would see if Beal takes 95 and he is an expiring in 2027
Yeah, your numbers aren't right because Nassir Little costs to the Suns $3.1M of dead cap space per year.
So the raw right numbers are:
We can have at most $23M (15% cap) in dead money.
$3.1M Nassir Little
$0.7M EJ Liddell
$19M (at most) Bradley Beal. 19 × 5 years: $95M.
So again...hopefully we can agree on that FINALLY...we just need to agree on a $95M buyout with Beal to buyout him and stretch his contract.
He would renounce to less than $16M. Hopefully he agrees on a bit more, but just renouncing to those $16M are enough for the Suns and he can get much more than that money on FA.
You don't think that he can't get a $25M/2 years deal with another team? Only with that simple contract he would earn $9M more than on his current deal...MORE MONEY MORE HAPPY BEAL.
bullsaficianado wrote:I hope Giannis chooses the Spurs because if he wants the Rockets that means we would likely have to do a KD trade to Spurs and the Rockets would have a better offer for KD.
bwgood77 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:garrick wrote:Things are such a mess that shows like PHNX have to talk about wildly unrealistic trade scenarios that will never happen.
That and the show has just kind of been garbage with Lindsay getting fired & Saul no longer being a regular it's not the same show anymore.
Haven't listened since Lindsay was let go and while I enjoy Gerald, he just isn't enough for me to tune in and have to listen to the other dudes.
I can't imagine spending time listening to Suns podcasts right now. Checking the boards right now once every few days to see the same things is enough. Seems like they'd be just rehashing the same stuff repeatedly like we do, though I guess with the lottery playing out it changes things up a bit. And teams getting eliminated when they do. Like Houston going out first round, but we were already hoping for that and outlined all scenarios with them.