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ThePigeon wrote:Will you trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick?
Sending Jrue/KP/Hauser will make them stronger. Will they trade for these guys?
ddb wrote:What about KP/#28/#32 to Chicago for Vucevic & Julian Phillips. Helps with the tax bill. Vucevic also entering final year of his deal. Gives Boston a more durable center who replicates much of what you're losing in KP offensively. Defensively, when healthy, KP is the better rim protector and defender, but overall Vuc is the better rebounder.
With Tatum out, this deal makes sense because Vuc is more reliable to play, he can stretch the floor, post up, pick n pop, and rebound. Boston will need another weapon offensively. Short-term commitment.
Phillips we drafted and traded last year. 6'8 wing. Take a chance on him as a depth piece in the front court.
Bulls do this for the draft capital. KP, if he can prove to be healthy gives them a higher upside guy at Center who they may be able to flip to a contender later in the season for more draft capital.
Keep the guard trio of Jrue/White/PP. Will need that continuity heading into the season, especially without Tatum.
Jrue/White/Brown/Al/Vuc
PP/Hauser/Baylor/Kornet
GoCeltics123 wrote:ddb wrote:What about KP/#28/#32 to Chicago for Vucevic & Julian Phillips. Helps with the tax bill. Vucevic also entering final year of his deal. Gives Boston a more durable center who replicates much of what you're losing in KP offensively. Defensively, when healthy, KP is the better rim protector and defender, but overall Vuc is the better rebounder.
With Tatum out, this deal makes sense because Vuc is more reliable to play, he can stretch the floor, post up, pick n pop, and rebound. Boston will need another weapon offensively. Short-term commitment.
Phillips we drafted and traded last year. 6'8 wing. Take a chance on him as a depth piece in the front court.
Bulls do this for the draft capital. KP, if he can prove to be healthy gives them a higher upside guy at Center who they may be able to flip to a contender later in the season for more draft capital.
Keep the guard trio of Jrue/White/PP. Will need that continuity heading into the season, especially without Tatum.
Jrue/White/Brown/Al/Vuc
PP/Hauser/Baylor/Kornet
I HATE Vooch's game so I'm not giving up both picks to do that. They can have one of 28 or 32.
Helps with the tax bill sure, but one of those picks could very likely be for a center to replace Kornet
ThePigeon wrote:Will you trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick?
Sending Jrue/KP/Hauser will make them stronger. Will they trade for these guys?
fallguy wrote:ThePigeon wrote:Will you trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick?
Sending Jrue/KP/Hauser will make them stronger. Will they trade for these guys?
I don't think we're going to trade with the Sixers but they're fundamentally compromised. Embiid will keep getting hurt. PG is on the backside of his post-prime. Giving them Jrue or Hauser doesn't move the needle in that context.
ddb wrote:fallguy wrote:ThePigeon wrote:Will you trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick?
Sending Jrue/KP/Hauser will make them stronger. Will they trade for these guys?
I don't think we're going to trade with the Sixers but they're fundamentally compromised. Embiid will keep getting hurt. PG is on the backside of his post-prime. Giving them Jrue or Hauser doesn't move the needle in that context.
I wouldn't trade Jrue. I think without Tatum until Feb/March it'll be crucial to keep as much continuity as possible. I get the tax stuff. That needs to be addressed. I think the prime candidates to be moved are KP & Hauser. If Brad can turn KP into a more durable big that replicates at least most of what a healthy KP brings, that's a win. Flipping Hauser to a team with cap space for a future pick further helps with the tax bill without sacrificing much in terms of wins/losses. And I say that because I think Baylor is ready to step into that role. Jordan Walsh may also be ready for some more minutes.
Jrue is an outstanding defender, leader, and just a plug that helps win games. Having the White/Jrue/PP trio in the backcourt is a huge part of this team.
Ultimately, it comes down to Jaylen Brown next season. Is he capable of being a true #1 in Tatum's absence. Could be a career year from JB.
Lastly, I HOPE Al wants to keep playing. I see no reason why he'd want to retire. And I see no reason why he'd want to play elsewhere. I think he'd come back on a 2-year deal with the 2nd year being a full player option.
Jrue/White/PP
Brown/Baylor/Walsh/FA or pick
Center like Vuc or someone else like that/Al/Kornet
That's a Top 4 or 5 seed in the easy next year and then hopefully Tatum can come back and all of a sudden, this a team nobody wants to see in the playoffs.
And let's face it, Brad Stevens is awesome in his role calling the shots. Whatever he decides to do I have complete faith will be the right thing.
165bows wrote:GoCeltics123 wrote:FlatearthZorro wrote:
We need to somehow move Jrue and KP, that's the priority. I think you still keep Brown as you aren't getting anything close in return.
I think you can entertain Jaylen for Ja simply because of the asset cost (it's kinda like the Smart/KP trade, selling high and buying low) but it's a huge risk andI don't think Brad would be willing to take that risk.
Also we don't know the status of Jaylen's knee this offseason.
Yeah my guess is that was before the Smart trade. Ie, Brown wasn't involved in talks or he was and it was before his new contract was signed.
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
Fierce1 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Fierce1 wrote:Same thing if you keep JT, JB, and White.
Those 3 will total around 135m next season.
You will not be able to assemble a good supporting cast if 3 players eat up that much cap space.
There will be no Jrue, KP, and Al.
A compromise would be to move White instead of JB.
The 2nd apron is $207.8 million next year, you most definitely can keep JT, JB and DWhite. Stars win championships, not marginal role players. Celtics bench will be grown with young players. Celtics can still keep Kornet and Big Al. Holiday, Hauser and KP are the most likely to go.
Repeater tax.
Cs need to reset the cap because they will be a repeater next season.
This is the perfect time to reset the cap because JT is out for one season.
If the Cs don't reset the cap now, the penalties will get harsher every year.
bfchs123 wrote:I saw someone propose Jrue to the Mavs for Gafford and PJ Washington
Gafford is a pretty solid youngish big and Washington is maybe a little redundant with Flagg. Breaks up Jrue into two smaller contracts and both guys are on Tatum's timeline. May need to add a pick
Fierce1 wrote:If the Cs get below 189m next season, they will not be a repeater.
Celts17Pride wrote:If I'm Brad Stevens this off-season is pretty simple. Keep Tatum, Brown, White and Pritchard. Possibly keep Kornet and Horford if they take team friendly deals. Move everyone else that is making more than $3 million. Keep your draft picks, go with young players and play them every game, develop them so that have some trade value. 2026/2027 retool and make another run. Next year is a bridge year.