Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[yoyojw17]

Summer of Love: Roll the (Brittle) Bones...

Trade #1...
ORL sends: Jalen Suggs, #25
CLE sends: Darius Garland

Trade #2...
ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Goga Bitadze, Jett Howard
BOS sends: Kristaps Porzingis, Sam Hauser

Trade #3...
ORL sends: Cole Anthony, #16
BRK sends: DeAngelo Russell (SnT $12m x 2 + 1TO), #19

Decline options on Moe Wagner, Cory Joseph, Caleb Houstan, Gary Harris

ORL selects Rasheer Fleming at #19

Porzingis, WCJ, Raynaud (or most ready big C at #46)
Paolo, WCJ, Fleming
Franz, Tds, Hauser
KCP, AB, Hauser
Garland, DLo

*Alternative to Trade # 3 is to keep #16 pick and trade Cole and srps to MIL for Portis and then draft BPA and try to sign CP3 as an inexpensive UFA

*If Porzingis is healthy (maybe our depth allows us to rest him a bit for the big moments), he's a monster and a big fan of Mose. DLo, on a make-good deal has unlimited scoring potential and is a really nice fit next to AB. Garland, Hauser, KP, DLo ALL add elite 3pt shooting and more.

KP's health is a risk but, imo, so are Isaac's and Suggs...but KP has only one remaining year. At this point in his career, and considering his relationship with Mose, perhaps he elects to extend on a reasonable deal if it's working for both (I think it would be an amazing fit if he's healthy).

Possibly, the most troubling thing about this trade is that I really think un-swole Isaac is going to have a really strong year next year, just as his salary plummets to $15m. I find it very easy to imagine him being a BIG factor in BOS when Tatum returns in 26-27. They're just such a smart team and his skill set is so unique - if he's just hits his threes, he's a massive playoff game-changer, imo. They could spend the year resting and integrating the new guys and deciding what the longer-term vision is for C, while still competing to whatever degree they choose (or maybe tank by resting Brown's knee, etc)

Guards: Garland/KCP/AB
Forwards: Paolo/Franz/Hauser
Bigs: Porzingis/WCJ
9/10: Russell/Fleming

The focus on getting another pointguard with trade three doesn't align with the AB development path as a point guard.

Three max contracts and Porzingis seems like financial suicide.

It's definitely a nice re-tool though.

Just don't see them giving up on suggs unless it felt like a slam dunk.

Yes.... CoJo definitely Helped in going down till the end of the season. Can Suggs provide the same thing with superior defense and volume 3 point shooting. I don't see why not.

Watch on YouTube

With Franz and Paolo established as the primary scorers.... Suggs becomes a great option as a secondary/tertiary ball handler....and willing scorer.

With KCPs turnaround after the break.... i would love to see what the vision of that starting lineup would look like.

If we can turn Cole anthony and something else for Collin Sexton.... and get an extension in the Mid 20's or so.... i think that is the route that they would go.

Watch on YouTube

KCP.... will eventually be replaced by a more confident and grown black.

[pepe1991]

Out of all people here mentioned, Sexton is one with most question marks.

27 years old player that never played on good team, who is 6'0 -180 pounds combo guard, very low APG guy, very high TO guy, who doesn't take nor make many 3s. Those 39% for 3 are very missleading, he shoots 4 threes a game.

He is efficient. In regular season. Can he defend? Who knows. He spent whole career on worst teams possible.

Guards in bigger roles and playing for something are always shaky. Rozier played great for nothing on Hornets, than sucked so much for Heat.
Poole is hot garbage since he left Warriors. Smart sucked everywhere but on Celtics.

[Skybox]

Just don't see them giving up on suggs unless it felt like a slam dunk.

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

[yoyojw17]

Just don't see them giving up on suggs unless it felt like a slam dunk.

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

And immediately I said .... Unless it's a slam dunk. Don't need to nitpick on my choice of words. Garland is not a perfect fit either. And no need to get disrespectful. But.... if I want to use those choice if words, that's my prerogative. Mind you..... You're 10 trade ideas a day is what gets you so aggravated when none of them come to fruition.... And I don't disrespect your point of view ever.... But I will happily discuss it. Point is ... You may value Suggs' current standing on the team and what he might become less than the FO.... And they might want to see their ideas through ... So therefore they might not "give up on him" as of now.

[Skybox]

Just don't see them giving up on suggs unless it felt like a slam dunk.

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

And immediately I said .... Unless it's a slam dunk. Don't need to nitpick on my choice of words. Garland is not a perfect fit either. And no need to get disrespectful. But.... if I want to use those choice if words, that's my prerogative. Mind you..... You're 10 trade ideas a day is what gets you so aggravated when none of them come to fruition.... And I don't disrespect your point of view ever.... But I will happily discuss it. Point is ... You may value Suggs' current standing on the team and what he might become less than the FO.... And they might want to see their ideas through ... So therefore they might not "give up on him" as of now.

I respect your respecting my disrespecting your poor choice of words...there's no "giving up on guys" in any of my trade proposals. Just trying to be realistic and objective always.

I don't get frustrated at all ...it's a trade forums for fans...wth else are we supposed to talk about but slinging ideas.

[yoyojw17]

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

And immediately I said .... Unless it's a slam dunk. Don't need to nitpick on my choice of words. Garland is not a perfect fit either. And no need to get disrespectful. But.... if I want to use those choice if words, that's my prerogative. Mind you..... You're 10 trade ideas a day is what gets you so aggravated when none of them come to fruition.... And I don't disrespect your point of view ever.... But I will happily discuss it. Point is ... You may value Suggs' current standing on the team and what he might become less than the FO.... And they might want to see their ideas through ... So therefore they might not "give up on him" as of now.

I respect your respecting my disrespecting your poor choice of words...there's no "giving up on guys" in any of my trade proposals. Just trying to be realistic and objective always.

I don't get frustrated at all ...it's a trade forums for fans...wth else are we supposed to talk about but slinging ideas.

And I get your point.... Might have been a choice of words in your book. But .... They formed that backcourt with a vision in mind.... "Giving up on that vision" and what it could be ...is what I'm discussing... And that goes with the suggs. My bad if it rubbed the wrong way.... And any player on this team can be had for the right price.... Including suggs. I just don't think Garland is worth making that change.

And also just contractually.... Suggs is about to be near equal pay as Garland ... And decreasing every year for 5 years of controlled salary to $25 million. Garland is controlled for 3 years... And tops off at $44 million. So there are other factors that makes it not worth it... To me.

And no.... I have no problem with your activity on the trade boards .. because yes.... It sparks and entertains the thoughts

[Skybox]

And immediately I said .... Unless it's a slam dunk. Don't need to nitpick on my choice of words. Garland is not a perfect fit either. And no need to get disrespectful. But.... if I want to use those choice if words, that's my prerogative. Mind you..... You're 10 trade ideas a day is what gets you so aggravated when none of them come to fruition.... And I don't disrespect your point of view ever.... But I will happily discuss it. Point is ... You may value Suggs' current standing on the team and what he might become less than the FO.... And they might want to see their ideas through ... So therefore they might not "give up on him" as of now.

I respect your respecting my disrespecting your poor choice of words...there's no "giving up on guys" in any of my trade proposals. Just trying to be realistic and objective always.

I don't get frustrated at all ...it's a trade forums for fans...wth else are we supposed to talk about but slinging ideas.

And I get your point.... Might have been a choice of words in your book. But .... They formed that backcourt with a vision in mind.... "Giving up on that vision" and what it could be ...is what I'm discussing... And that goes with the suggs. My bad if it rubbed the wrong way.... And any player on this team can be had for the right price.... Including suggs. I just don't think Garland is worth making that change.

And also just contractually.... Suggs is about to be near equal pay as Garland ... And decreasing every year for 5 years of controlled salary to $25 million. Garland is controlled for 3 years... And tops off at $44 million. So there are other factors that makes it not worth it... To me.

And no.... I have no problem with your activity on the trade boards .. because yes.... It sparks and entertains the thoughts

Yeah...the $$ is a big factor for CLE...they intersect for one moment in time and then diverge to Suggs' great advantage. But my conclusion is that that's the only reason ORL isn't adding picks to make up the on-court production. The injury factor can't be ignored either...there are Cavs fans on the general board that insist nobody would trade for Suggs until he gets back on the court (I don't think that's necessarily true but I get it-it is a concern).

I love Suggs' energy as much as anyone but Garland is an offensive force of one in the shadow of a bigger version...and AB & KCP are lesser versions of Suggs. Both teams swap understudies that fit better elsewhere - but, realistically, Garland is a bigger piece in today's NBA.

[cedric76]

Summer of Love: Roll the (Brittle) Bones...

Trade #1...
ORL sends: Jalen Suggs, #25
CLE sends: Darius Garland

Trade #2...
ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Goga Bitadze, Jett Howard
BOS sends: Kristaps Porzingis, Sam Hauser

Trade #3...
ORL sends: Cole Anthony, #16
BRK sends: DeAngelo Russell (SnT $12m x 2 + 1TO), #19

Decline options on Moe Wagner, Cory Joseph, Caleb Houstan, Gary Harris

ORL selects Rasheer Fleming at #19

Porzingis, WCJ, Raynaud (or most ready big C at #46)
Paolo, WCJ, Fleming
Franz, Tds, Hauser
KCP, AB, Hauser
Garland, DLo

*Alternative to Trade # 3 is to keep #16 pick and trade Cole and srps to MIL for Portis and then draft BPA and try to sign CP3 as an inexpensive UFA

*If Porzingis is healthy (maybe our depth allows us to rest him a bit for the big moments), he's a monster and a big fan of Mose. DLo, on a make-good deal has unlimited scoring potential and is a really nice fit next to AB. Garland, Hauser, KP, DLo ALL add elite 3pt shooting and more.

KP's health is a risk but, imo, so are Isaac's and Suggs...but KP has only one remaining year. At this point in his career, and considering his relationship with Mose, perhaps he elects to extend on a reasonable deal if it's working for both (I think it would be an amazing fit if he's healthy).

Possibly, the most troubling thing about this trade is that I really think un-swole Isaac is going to have a really strong year next year, just as his salary plummets to $15m. I find it very easy to imagine him being a BIG factor in BOS when Tatum returns in 26-27. They're just such a smart team and his skill set is so unique - if he's just hits his threes, he's a massive playoff game-changer, imo. They could spend the year resting and integrating the new guys and deciding what the longer-term vision is for C, while still competing to whatever degree they choose (or maybe tank by resting Brown's knee, etc)

Guards: Garland/KCP/AB
Forwards: Paolo/Franz/Hauser
Bigs: Porzingis/WCJ
9/10: Russell/Fleming

The focus on getting another pointguard with trade three doesn't align with the AB development path as a point guard.

Three max contracts and Porzingis seems like financial suicide.

It's definitely a nice re-tool though.

Just don't see them giving up on suggs unless it felt like a slam dunk.

Yes.... CoJo definitely Helped in going down till the end of the season. Can Suggs provide the same thing with superior defense and volume 3 point shooting. I don't see why not.

Watch on YouTube

With Franz and Paolo established as the primary scorers.... Suggs becomes a great option as a secondary/tertiary ball handler....and willing scorer.

With KCPs turnaround after the break.... i would love to see what the vision of that starting lineup would look like.

If we can turn Cole anthony and something else for Collin Sexton.... and get an extension in the Mid 20's or so.... i think that is the route that they would go.

Watch on YouTube

KCP.... will eventually be replaced by a more confident and grown black.

Well said, you have the vision

[VFX]

I think we need more Suggs for Garland trade ideas that’ll never happen.

There aren’t enough of them.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Just don't see them giving up on suggs unless it felt like a slam dunk.

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

There are people who actually think AB is going to give us was Suggs can. He doesn’t have flashes that even remotely come close to that.

[RichCollab]

And immediately I said .... Unless it's a slam dunk. Don't need to nitpick on my choice of words. Garland is not a perfect fit either. And no need to get disrespectful. But.... if I want to use those choice if words, that's my prerogative. Mind you..... You're 10 trade ideas a day is what gets you so aggravated when none of them come to fruition.... And I don't disrespect your point of view ever.... But I will happily discuss it. Point is ... You may value Suggs' current standing on the team and what he might become less than the FO.... And they might want to see their ideas through ... So therefore they might not "give up on him" as of now.

I respect your respecting my disrespecting your poor choice of words...there's no "giving up on guys" in any of my trade proposals. Just trying to be realistic and objective always.

I don't get frustrated at all ...it's a trade forums for fans...wth else are we supposed to talk about but slinging ideas.

And I get your point.... Might have been a choice of words in your book. But .... They formed that backcourt with a vision in mind.... "Giving up on that vision" and what it could be ...is what I'm discussing... And that goes with the suggs. My bad if it rubbed the wrong way.... And any player on this team can be had for the right price.... Including suggs. I just don't think Garland is worth making that change.

And also just contractually.... Suggs is about to be near equal pay as Garland ... And decreasing every year for 5 years of controlled salary to $25 million. Garland is controlled for 3 years... And tops off at $44 million. So there are other factors that makes it not worth it... To me.

And no.... I have no problem with your activity on the trade boards .. because yes.... It sparks and entertains the thoughts

Just ignore the constant flood of dribble that flows from his mouth.

[OrlandoDream]

Just don't see them giving up on suggs unless it felt like a slam dunk.

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

There are people who actually think AB is going to give us was Suggs can. He doesn’t have flashes that even remotely come close to that.

The fact that most magic fans don't see this and still vouch as keeping AB over Suggs as "replacement" is truly amazing to me. I would ship out AB in a heartbeat for a decent PG upgrade like Coby White.

[basketballRob]

Magic fans on this board when Black doesn't get traded.

Black is still younger than Suggs was at the beginning of his second season.

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[basketballRob]

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

There are people who actually think AB is going to give us was Suggs can. He doesn’t have flashes that even remotely come close to that.

The fact that most magic fans don't see this and still vouch as keeping AB over Suggs as "replacement" is truly amazing to me. I would ship out AB in a heartbeat for a decent PG upgrade like Coby White.

White has like a 10% chance of being traded this offseason.

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[Skybox]

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

There are people who actually think AB is going to give us was Suggs can. He doesn’t have flashes that even remotely come close to that.

The fact that most magic fans don't see this and still vouch as keeping AB over Suggs as "replacement" is truly amazing to me. I would ship out AB in a heartbeat for a decent PG upgrade like Coby White.

what is so hard to follow? Nobody, not even eyriq, is picking AB over Suggs...the very simple concept is that NOBODY will give you much for AB and somebody MIGHT give you valuable stuff back for Suggs. AB would definitely have value, but not the salary match OR nearly the value of Suggs, which might be at an all-time low with the new contract and knee surgery unfortunately hitting at the same time.

It's not a poll...who do you like better [] Suggs [] AB [] KCP

Am I the only one that ventures out of ORL fanboy threads and takes a reading on the rest of the league's views of our players. Maybe that's why my 10 trades a day don't begin with "Cole and srp for..."

Would "Cole for Giannis" get a million and-1's because it'd be a huge win for ORL?

[mattdelray1220]

I think it is pretty clear. Simons, Sexton, McCollum, White are all attainable for Some kind of combo of Cole, JI, Jett, picks... You have Garland or Trae which could be available if AB is added (suggs is not being traded) but even these are a stretch because of cap issues. I am pretty sure 1 of those first 4 will be on the Magic next year and it will be .80 on the $1 in our favor.

Is there anyone out of left field that you think the Magic could/would trade for? Realistic options only LOL!

[eyriq]

Just don't see them giving up on suggs unless it felt like a slam dunk.

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

There are people who actually think AB is going to give us was Suggs can. He doesn’t have flashes that even remotely come close to that.

Did you not watch game 3?

[VFX]

THIS is the consistently worst take on this thread...that putting someone into a trade is "giving up on them"

CLE isn't giving up on Garland either, he was an All-Star...you have to give or you don't get

Stay off the trade thread if you think it's the "banish scrubs" or "Jettison guys that don't have value to us (or anyone)" thread.

There are people who actually think AB is going to give us was Suggs can. He doesn’t have flashes that even remotely come close to that.

Did you not watch game 3?

Nobody cares.

0 assists in 5 games.
2/13 from 3.
One positive game in the entire series.

He’s not an answer to the issue at hand. He isn’t anywhere close to Suggs impact and won’t be next season. Why? Because KCP and Suggs are probably starting still because Weltman is incompetent .

[VFX]

There are people who actually think AB is going to give us was Suggs can. He doesn’t have flashes that even remotely come close to that.

The fact that most magic fans don't see this and still vouch as keeping AB over Suggs as "replacement" is truly amazing to me. I would ship out AB in a heartbeat for a decent PG upgrade like Coby White.

what is so hard to follow? Nobody, not even eyriq, is picking AB over Suggs...the very simple concept is that NOBODY will give you much for AB and somebody MIGHT give you valuable stuff back for Suggs. AB would definitely have value, but not the salary match OR nearly the value of Suggs, which might be at an all-time low with the new contract and knee surgery unfortunately hitting at the same time.

It's not a poll...who do you like better [] Suggs [] AB [] KCP

Am I the only one that ventures out of ORL fanboy threads and takes a reading on the rest of the league's views of our players. Maybe that's why my 10 trades a day don't begin with "Cole and srp for..."

Would "Cole for Giannis" get a million and-1's because it'd be a huge win for ORL?

You don’t get it.

Orlando doesn’t need an allstar point guard. That’s a pipe dream at this point that they draft and develop one to take advantage of a rookie scale contract. Anthony Black was supposed to be that guy and isn’t.

They just need a starting level point guard that isn’t a liability. You don’t need to trade the team’s best defender to acquire a starting level point guard.

[Skybox]

The fact that most magic fans don't see this and still vouch as keeping AB over Suggs as "replacement" is truly amazing to me. I would ship out AB in a heartbeat for a decent PG upgrade like Coby White.

what is so hard to follow? Nobody, not even eyriq, is picking AB over Suggs...the very simple concept is that NOBODY will give you much for AB and somebody MIGHT give you valuable stuff back for Suggs. AB would definitely have value, but not the salary match OR nearly the value of Suggs, which might be at an all-time low with the new contract and knee surgery unfortunately hitting at the same time.

It's not a poll...who do you like better [] Suggs [] AB [] KCP

Am I the only one that ventures out of ORL fanboy threads and takes a reading on the rest of the league's views of our players. Maybe that's why my 10 trades a day don't begin with "Cole and srp for..."

Would "Cole for Giannis" get a million and-1's because it'd be a huge win for ORL?

You don’t get it.

Orlando doesn’t need an allstar point guard. That’s a pipe dream at this point that they draft and develop one to take advantage of a rookie scale contract. Anthony Black was supposed to be that guy and isn’t.

They just need a starting level point guard that isn’t a liability. You don’t need to trade the team’s best defender to acquire a starting level point guard.

If it would make us MILES better as a team...it should be considered. Suggs IS the team's best defender - so what? are you going to tell us that AB & KCP aren't excellent defenders? I'm really concerned that Suggs is too wild offensively and might stay that way.

When the GM finally says "Defense for Offense" - maybe he really means it. That's practically an admission that they need to reconsider their trajectory.

I choose to be optimistic...it's a little more interesting than just pissing on everything creative and then bitch that the GM doesn't take any chances.

What people really might not be getting is that this is actually an entertainment and a business and, at some point, it might become clear that just playing defense is boring and doesn't put asses in the seats...IF you win enough - ugly basketball is forgiven. But they haven't and they won't until they start to do the most simple and significant thing - put the ball in the hoop and suppport your superstars' strength. Suggs is great but he's limited. Ideally, you pair him with an explosive scorer & playmaker, but that's going to be tough with his new deal...better hope the one good offensive year he had was really him. KCP was a bad acquisition - but he's here and we have to consider all options when we have redundancies in areas of strength and gaping holes elsewhere.