Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[Frank Nova]

Giannis - “Jon, I’d like to request a trade.”

Horst - “Sorry Giannis but I can’t sign off on your request. Trading you for 50 cents on the dollar will devastate the franchise and I’m just not willing to do that. I’m hoping that you’ll see things differently over the next year or so. If you don’t, we can revisit the conversation.”

Seems pretty simple to me.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Giannis - “Jon, I’d like to request a trade.”

Horst - “Sorry Giannis but I can’t sign off on your request. Trading you for 50 cents on the dollar will devastate the franchise and I’m just not willing to do that. I’m hoping that you’ll see things differently over the next year or so. If you don’t, we can revisit the conversation.”

Seems pretty simple to me.

Giannis: Fair enough. In a year or 2, i will make it very clear I will only sign with X team and you will get 25 cents on the dollar. I will also take my health more seriously and not put myself at risk for a play-in team. We can revisit this conversation next month if you see it differently.

[Matches Malone]

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Everywhere I look, people have to throw out their Giannis hot takes. It feels like everyone is putting on a full court press to get him out while also devaluing his market and what Milwaukee gets back. "Big swing for Cleveland." Eat a dick, Mannix. These perverts want Milwaukee basketball to die.

Milwaukee vs Everybody.

[Ron Swanson]

The fact that he even frames a straight swap as "who says no?" is so incredibly laughable and insulting.

[aboveAverage]

What a disgusting tweet. It should be insulting to Giannis to see these kind of posts by the national pundits. I hope he and the Bucks don’t cave. Win another few rings here and make them look like fools.

[ReasonablySober]

Just to play devil's advocate, where does Mobley rank on the list of bandied about assets? 2nd? 3rd at worst?

[MickeyDavis]

Mobley for Giannis straight up? JFC.

[Frank Nova]

Giannis - “Jon, I’d like to request a trade.”

Horst - “Sorry Giannis but I can’t sign off on your request. Trading you for 50 cents on the dollar will devastate the franchise and I’m just not willing to do that. I’m hoping that you’ll see things differently over the next year or so. If you don’t, we can revisit the conversation.”

Seems pretty simple to me.

Giannis: Fair enough. In a year or 2, i will make it very clear I will only sign with X team and you will get 25 cents on the dollar. I will also take my health more seriously and not put myself at risk for a play-in team. We can revisit this conversation next month if you see it differently.

That’s just a risk that Horst has to be willing to take. Especially if the GMs are even half as frugal as the media and fan bases are convincing themselves. 25 cents on the dollar 2yrs from now is about 50 cents on the dollar now. I’ll take the 2 Giannis years in Milwaukee to try and convince him to sign a mega extension as 25 cents in this scenario.

[Bernman]

Mobley's a mid asset for us cuz he's a role player. One of the best role players for one of the best core players, is illogical as a foundation even. You have to start w/ (potential) core players. I'd take Harper in isolation over Mobley for that reason & that's obviously not all we'd get there either.

Cavs need to include Garland to even get in the convo. Still, should need 2 of top 4: Mitchell, Garland, Allen, Mobley. They don't have good prospects or picks. Garland leaves us w/ a far worse core player than before, Mobley a role player instead of superstar, w/ a poor supporting cast.

[DingleJerry]

Garland + Mobley at least starts a convo, close salary two good young players. But there would still need to be picks and I doubt Cle has anything to trade after giving them all up for Mitchell. I guess maybe if htey have some far out ones that can be fully unprotected.

[MickeyDavis]

Garland + Mobley at least starts a convo, close salary two good young players. But there would still need to be picks and I doubt Cle has anything to trade after giving them all up for Mitchell. I guess maybe if htey have some far out ones that can be fully unprotected.

No FRP this year, swaps in '26 and '28 involving multiple teams, so not good. '30 is the first one they control.

[Ron Swanson]

I think Mobley might be the best non-Flagg asset available (would certainly value him over the 2nd pick). But this isn't Mobley from 3-years ago anymore when he was getting Duncan/KG comparisons. Pretty safe to say at this point that his ceiling looks to be way short of what would justify being a "singular asset" trade package for Giannis. If they're not forking over Garland/Mobley plus those last two picks they can deal (2030 and 2031), they don't have a competitive offer.

[DingleJerry]

If I'm Cleveland I'm pretty sure I do that deal and go for it. Mobley/Garland and whatever far out picks they can trade unprotected. Their fans will probably balk at it but they're one of the rare teams that can trade two of your top 3 guys for 1 star and still have enough depth that it doesn't gut your team.

From the Bucks end, assuming he asks out, its probably the best realistic package I've seen so far. Probably right in the same ballpark as Williams/Chet + picks which I think majority here don't think OKC would do (especially if they win the title this year).

[BigO]

From John Hollinger, a few days ago on what the best win now move for Dallas would be, and I agree :

"Logically, the rational move now would seem to be to trade Davis, who is 32 and will never have more trade value. That would pivot the franchise toward maximizing its roster right when Flagg hits his prime seasons at the end of the decade.

Alas, “I’m not sure you’re dealing with a rational actor here,” as one league spy cautioned me.

The alternative scenario where the Mavs try to win with an Irving-Flagg-Davis core likely leaves them still among the also-rans in the hyper-competitive Western Conference, but with a limited future given the ages of Davis and Irving and the fact that Dallas owes futures first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 and a swap to Oklahoma City in 2028 that likely will end up at the back of the first round. (The Mavericks do at least own future firsts from the Lakers in 2029 and 2031 and swaps in 2026, 2028 and 2030 as a result of the Dončić trade.)

The ultimate win-now move for Dallas would be to trade Flagg for Giannis Antetokounmpo, but in the wake of recent events, Harrison may no longer be able to get approval for that type of move."

[JayMKE]

I think Mobley might be the best non-Flagg asset available (would certainly value him over the 2nd pick). But this isn't Mobley from 3-years ago anymore when he was getting Duncan/KG comparisons. Pretty safe to say at this point that his ceiling looks to be way short of what would justify being a "singular asset" trade package for Giannis. If they're not forking over Garland/Mobley plus those last two picks they can deal (2030 and 2031), they don't have a competitive offer.

The ceiling on that team is not very high and no picks for the rest of the decade would be rough

[DingleJerry]

From John Hollinger, a few days ago on what the best win now move for Dallas would be, and I agree :

"Logically, the rational move now would seem to be to trade Davis, who is 32 and will never have more trade value. That would pivot the franchise toward maximizing its roster right when Flagg hits his prime seasons at the end of the decade.

Alas, “I’m not sure you’re dealing with a rational actor here,” as one league spy cautioned me.

The alternative scenario where the Mavs try to win with an Irving-Flagg-Davis core likely leaves them still among the also-rans in the hyper-competitive Western Conference, but with a limited future given the ages of Davis and Irving and the fact that Dallas owes futures first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 and a swap to Oklahoma City in 2028 that likely will end up at the back of the first round. (The Mavericks do at least own future firsts from the Lakers in 2029 and 2031 and swaps in 2026, 2028 and 2030 as a result of the Dončić trade.)

The ultimate win-now move for Dallas would be to trade Flagg for Giannis Antetokounmpo, but in the wake of recent events, Harrison may no longer be able to get approval for that type of move."

Dallas best move is probably to trade Davis and focus purely on 3-4 years from now. Then when Kyrie gets healthy trade him too. You've already alienated your whole fan base so you might as well fully go for it. You're not winning anything with Flagg/old AD/old Kyrie off an acl. Would really be tough if they don't have any kind of protections on those soon picks, but you're likely going to have to take some salary/players back in those two trades that will keep you from being a top 5 level bad team. Plus it seems they do own their own pick in 26, so one free year of tanking before it matters.

[ReasonablySober]

I think Mobley's got another leap in him. His three point attempts per game tripled this season, and he can certainly shoot twice that amount if he wants to. I don't think it's out of the question that he gets to 40% on high volume. If he gets there AND he's an All-NBA defender AND he's signed for the next five seasons...that's the asset to go for.

[Ron Swanson]

I think Mobley might be the best non-Flagg asset available (would certainly value him over the 2nd pick). But this isn't Mobley from 3-years ago anymore when he was getting Duncan/KG comparisons. Pretty safe to say at this point that his ceiling looks to be way short of what would justify being a "singular asset" trade package for Giannis. If they're not forking over Garland/Mobley plus those last two picks they can deal (2030 and 2031), they don't have a competitive offer.

The ceiling on that team is not very high and no picks for the rest of the decade would be rough

Mobley/Garland at the very least gets you two All-Star caliber young players as foundational pieces at 23 and 25 years old. New Orleans won't be better than us next season and still pretty unlikely that Portland will be anything special in 2028. So really, you're only looking at coughing up mid-firsts in 2027 and 2029 as the likeliest outcome. With those two way out future firsts when Giannis will be 36-37, that's not a bad deal compared to everything else I've seen floated out there.

[humanrefutation]

Give me the Risacher/Johnson/Daniels/Gueye and picks package from Atlanta over any Cavs package.

Mobley and Garland are not leading us to title contention, and they don't have much draft capital that leads me to believe that we might add a legitimate star down the road that will take us to that next level. We're basically stuck with those guys through 2028 with little draft capital, and I doubt those guys will be pulling in any title-swinging FAs. Garland is a FA in 2028 and Mobley is a FA in 2030. By the time we start having draft picks to surround those guys, they've got one foot out the door.

The Hawks package gives us young talent to build with and lots of quality draft picks. Giannis and Trae play together in a weak East. With a few smart additions, they can make some noise.

[DingleJerry]

Give me the Risacher/Johnson/Daniels/Gueye and picks package from Atlanta over any Cavs package.

Mobley and Garland are not leading us to title contention, and they don't have much draft capital that leads me to believe that we might add a legitimate star down the road that will take us to that next level. We're basically stuck with those guys through 2028 with little draft capital, and I doubt those guys will be pulling in any title-swinging FAs. Garland is a FA in 2028 and Mobley is a FA in 2030. By the time we start having draft picks to surround those guys, they've got one foot out the door.

The Hawks package gives us young talent to build with and lots of quality draft picks. Giannis and Trae play together in a weak East. With a few smart additions, they can make some noise.

Def get your point and fair way to look at it. There really is no clear cut answer here.

But it keeps you ok while you don't own your picks. And most importantly, if those players prove to be good or have a perceived leap in their new roles due to getting more ppgs on a weaker team you can re-trade them down the line. Yea you'll be a middling team but have two guys that other teams are going to want in 3-5 years. You should be able to get solid packages back for them then to go along with whatever youth you can acquire between now and then and the upcoming picks you'd have in say 28-32. This is kind of the route NYK took to get where they are now